Here is what could be an interesting topic. What do you believe happens to "us" after we die?

PhillieG

lisa42 said:

Thoughts on angels, God, and spirit guides
Hi Whichwitch,

No, I certainly don't think you're crazy. As a Christian, I believe that there are many spiritual beings around us- angels, if you will. I also do believe the account in Genesis that there really was a good vs. evil "war" at the beginning of time. The angels (who I believe were all created by God), became divided. Some of the angels joined the side of the One who went against the Creator. Basically, I'm talking "the devil" or whatever he might be referred to. Those who sided with him in this heavenly battle stayed loyal to him and were sent down to earth to be with him. Basically, Satan "the devil" and his angels "the demons" started off in heaven but felt like making a lot of mischief- basically by usurping the power of the God the Father/Creator. Lots has been written about this in the bible about that instance and about how Satan now roams about on earth and sends his angels (demons) all around us (as God send HIS angels all around us, as well).
Interestingly, humans normally portray the devil as ugly, green, redhorned, etc. The Bible only refers to his heart and makeup as horrible- it refers to his appearance as quite lovely. Satan is called "The Morning Star" in a couple of instances and I believe even "the beautiful one". This is a being who could easily deceive people into thinking he's real God or one of God's angels- he is the deceiver and also referred to as "The Father of Lies".

From the many readings I've done on angels and different beliefs of angels, I believe that many people have experienced sightings and/or interactions with angels. This can be very deceiving because, as I mentioned above, they would appear as beautiful, not scary or ugly. WHICH angels were they seeing? That's the question. The Bible says to know if an angelic being is from God the Father, that angel will always profess that Jesus is Lord. That angel will also never allow worship of him/itself (also interesting to note- angels referred to by name in the Bible are always male, not females with glowing golden hair. They're strong, and full of almost blinding light. There are also cherubs and seraphim described as types of angels- beings looking very unhuman like). I don't believe there's any instances of those kinds of angels making appearances to humans- usually it was a strong male looking angel. Interesting how the Christmas cards all feature chubby babies with halos or a beautiful female angel on top of the tree- these are actually all inaccurate portrayals on angels. Angels of God who allow people to bow down before them always tell the people back to "I am just a creation- do not worship me- worship only God". In the book of Revelation, an angel of God first appears to the apostle John (who was receiving the revelation, or vision) John was so awed by the light and beauty of this angel, that he began to bow down to him in worship. The angel replied, "No, do not do it- worship only God". An Angel who accepts human worship is NOT from God the Father. I have a friend who brought me a book on praying to angels when she found out I had cancer. She was very well meaning and said she "knew it must be Christian because her mother in law gave her the book and her mother in law attends the Methodist church". I felt kind of awkward, but thanked her for her thoughtfulness, but I told her "I know you mean well, but I just don't believe in praying to angels- the Bible clearly states angels are not to be prayed to." She was a little huffy and I then felt bad that I even said anything at all. You know- it took a couple of months, but she brought that conversation up to me lately, and told me that she thought about it, prayed about, and came to the conclusion that she now agrees with me on not praying to angels.
I know it is the belief of some that they can have a "spirit guide". Although I have not directly experienced such a thing myself (unless you call God's Holy Spirit a spirit guide- I do- but it's not what most people are referring to when they refer to their "spirit guide"- most of people that refer to spirit guides are in "new age" religions, wicca, or paganism). From what I've read (from three people who went through this and then later wrote about their experiences), their "spirit guides" actually physically inhabited their bodies- even talked to them and guided them in positive ways... for a while... after a while the "spirit guide" reveals its true character, shaped by the one he is loyal to- Satan, and evil, very scary things started happening to these particular people. It was finally the intervention of a good friend (in two of these cases- I don't know the outcome of the third)- anyhow, a good friend intervened on behalf of their friends and brought the Lord Jesus Christ into their lives, who was able to accurately and forever send all these "guides" away.

I, personally, like to repeat a certain Bible verse when I feel afraid of influences of the Evil One (Satan and/or his demon-angels)... "Greater is He who is in me, than he who is in the world- God is greater". (referring to "he who is in the world" as Satan).

Okay- some long rambling here & now you may all think I'm kooky, but it's out there- that's what I believe.

Lisa

Good vs Evil
As one who does not believe in God I believe that we all possess both qualities in us. Good and Evil. We all have the ability to choose either. I do not believe that God or Satan is pulling our stings so to speak to have us act a certain way. Everyone is capable of being either nice or not nice. There is no second party involved and our destinies are not mapped out.

I also believe that there are forces of energy which possibly as those who have passed on that can become present to us in this state of being.

Reading your post Lisa just reminds me so much of the constant struggle of Good vs Evil that is found in all religions for all of mankind. It's even in our modern myths like Harry Potter or Star Wars and the older metaphors found in the bible.


Here are a few quotes by Joseph Campbell who wrote a lot about myths and religion and their importance to mankind throughout the years. A very interesting man.

"Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble."

"God is a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought. It's as simple as that."

"Life is without meaning. You bring the meaning to it. The meaning of life is whatever you ascribe it to be. Being alive is the meaning."
Joseph Campbell

soccerfreaks

PhillieG said:

Good vs Evil
As one who does not believe in God I believe that we all possess both qualities in us. Good and Evil. We all have the ability to choose either. I do not believe that God or Satan is pulling our stings so to speak to have us act a certain way. Everyone is capable of being either nice or not nice. There is no second party involved and our destinies are not mapped out.

I also believe that there are forces of energy which possibly as those who have passed on that can become present to us in this state of being.

Reading your post Lisa just reminds me so much of the constant struggle of Good vs Evil that is found in all religions for all of mankind. It's even in our modern myths like Harry Potter or Star Wars and the older metaphors found in the bible.


Here are a few quotes by Joseph Campbell who wrote a lot about myths and religion and their importance to mankind throughout the years. A very interesting man.

"Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble."

"God is a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought. It's as simple as that."

"Life is without meaning. You bring the meaning to it. The meaning of life is whatever you ascribe it to be. Being alive is the meaning."
Joseph Campbell

A quick response
Quickly, kudos to both Lisa and Phil for some rather enlightening commentary or, rather more precisely, commentary yielding enlightenment. It is now clear to me, for one thing, that my use of the words theism (or deism or pantheism), agnosticism and atheism require some refinement, largely because of the introduction of Campbell and his 'Masks of God' contemplations into consideration, but also because of Lisa's rather lengthy but perhaps erroneous exposition about the hierarchy of angels within Christian theology.

I applaud both of you for your honesty, integrity and erudition. I never expected anything like this from this board or from this post, frankly. As another respondent suggested, it is time to play!

I'll be back. (I want to write my words down where I can edit them carefully before posting them, and this site does not afford that 'luxury' ).

Take care,

Joe

PhillieG

soccerfreaks said:

A quick response
Quickly, kudos to both Lisa and Phil for some rather enlightening commentary or, rather more precisely, commentary yielding enlightenment. It is now clear to me, for one thing, that my use of the words theism (or deism or pantheism), agnosticism and atheism require some refinement, largely because of the introduction of Campbell and his 'Masks of God' contemplations into consideration, but also because of Lisa's rather lengthy but perhaps erroneous exposition about the hierarchy of angels within Christian theology.

I applaud both of you for your honesty, integrity and erudition. I never expected anything like this from this board or from this post, frankly. As another respondent suggested, it is time to play!

I'll be back. (I want to write my words down where I can edit them carefully before posting them, and this site does not afford that 'luxury' ).

Take care,

Joe

Hi Joe
It's always refreshing to hear from you. I know I have to go back to a previous email and also to look at your expressions page.

Thanks for your comments. I am very happy that this addition to the cancer forum has been as successful as it has been. Who would have thought people would have ventured over here. Now if we could only get some others over, but they might spoil the play time
-phil

lisa42

PhillieG said:

No, you're welcome Donna
I get tired of cancer talk at times. I find it interesting to hear what others think about this. It's sort of like when someone tells you their dreams, they can be something you can relate to or something very foreign.
-phil

to Phil- my goofy dream
Ok Phil, you said you like it when people tell you their dreams...

I've had many doozy dreams that were probably much more ocmplicated and meaningful, but here's a silly short one I had last night:

In my dream I was watering the brown spots in my backyard lawn (we live in Calif- water shortange and the sprinklers don't keep things watered enough). Anyhow, I was watering the lawn with the hose, when all of a sudden my bedroom dresser, which is normally is medium oak color, was green and was lying over the brown spot in the lawn. I was watering that brown spot and blinked when I noticed all of a sudden it turned green, but it was my dresser that was green lying on top of it.

Maybe it was the steroids I had in my chemo mix yesterday- haha!

Lisa

PhillieG

lisa42 said:

to Phil- my goofy dream
Ok Phil, you said you like it when people tell you their dreams...

I've had many doozy dreams that were probably much more ocmplicated and meaningful, but here's a silly short one I had last night:

In my dream I was watering the brown spots in my backyard lawn (we live in Calif- water shortange and the sprinklers don't keep things watered enough). Anyhow, I was watering the lawn with the hose, when all of a sudden my bedroom dresser, which is normally is medium oak color, was green and was lying over the brown spot in the lawn. I was watering that brown spot and blinked when I noticed all of a sudden it turned green, but it was my dresser that was green lying on top of it.

Maybe it was the steroids I had in my chemo mix yesterday- haha!

Lisa

That's a good one
Lisa, that's cool. At least your lawn is green. We have had so much rain on the east coast it's not funny. Normally be July I can stop cutting the lawn or let it go a few weeks. Now it's every 5 days or so that I still have to cut it.
I wish that was a dream ;-)
-phil

angelsbaby

PhillieG said:

I always liked what Johnny Carson said
For days after death hair and fingernails continue to grow, but phone calls taper off.
~Johnny Carson

I hope
there is a haven because i plan on meeting up with angel there to continue our life.

michelle

Marcia527

lisa42 said:

to Phil- my goofy dream
Ok Phil, you said you like it when people tell you their dreams...

I've had many doozy dreams that were probably much more ocmplicated and meaningful, but here's a silly short one I had last night:

In my dream I was watering the brown spots in my backyard lawn (we live in Calif- water shortange and the sprinklers don't keep things watered enough). Anyhow, I was watering the lawn with the hose, when all of a sudden my bedroom dresser, which is normally is medium oak color, was green and was lying over the brown spot in the lawn. I was watering that brown spot and blinked when I noticed all of a sudden it turned green, but it was my dresser that was green lying on top of it.

Maybe it was the steroids I had in my chemo mix yesterday- haha!

Lisa

If you are interested in
If you are interested in dream interpretation there is a cool website to help. It's
www.dreammoods.com. It comes pretty close if you apply it to how you feel and the dream objects.

soccerfreaks

PhillieG said:

Hi Lisa
I wasn't clear on my no right or wrong statement. There are certainly things that are right or wrong as far as living in society goes. I just meant that as far as religion and religious or non-religious beliefs go, there is no right or wrong answer in my opinion.
There are any number of possibilities as to what "the truth".

Lisa, I hope that I clarified my initial statement.
-p

Not speaking for Lisa BUT
But...I think she is trying to say that there is indeed a right and a wrong, if you BELIEVE. If you BELIEVE, there is most definitely a right, a certainty in what is right, just as there is a wrong, and a certainty in what is wrong.

This is inherent in belief: it is not logical, it is not rational, it just IS. And when it IS, it is what it is: RIGHT.

To submit that 'there is no right or wrong answer', from Lisa's point of view, is to admit that one's convictions are not well-grounded in absolute faith. It is contradictory to all that she stands for.

That bit of philosophy aside, I would suppose what you originally meant was that you hope in this post, and in this particular board, people can accept the views of one another without name-calling and self-righteousness, which seems to be the case, rather pleasantly surprisingly, so far.

Just saying.

Now that I've put words in both of your mouths, I will quit .

Take care,

Joe

soccerfreaks

soccerfreaks said:

A quick response
Quickly, kudos to both Lisa and Phil for some rather enlightening commentary or, rather more precisely, commentary yielding enlightenment. It is now clear to me, for one thing, that my use of the words theism (or deism or pantheism), agnosticism and atheism require some refinement, largely because of the introduction of Campbell and his 'Masks of God' contemplations into consideration, but also because of Lisa's rather lengthy but perhaps erroneous exposition about the hierarchy of angels within Christian theology.

I applaud both of you for your honesty, integrity and erudition. I never expected anything like this from this board or from this post, frankly. As another respondent suggested, it is time to play!

I'll be back. (I want to write my words down where I can edit them carefully before posting them, and this site does not afford that 'luxury' ).

Take care,

Joe

A longer response
Lisa, that is one heckuva lesson in 'angelology' or whatever it is called. It compelled me to have a look at some of the history and philosophy and, yes, mythology, surrounding angels and demons.

From that reading, I gathered the following:

Despite what modern preachers and priests might say, if you look at the bibles themselves (Old and New) you are likely to find that the first references to the casting out of angels is due to pride rather than a battle between good and evil.

A great deal of what it is represented in the bibles with respect to angels is apparently directly derivative of earlier, so-called pagan religions, those of the Babylonians, to name but one that apparently had a deep impact on the writings in the first bible.

With respect to Lucifer as Satan, there is some disagreement in ecumenical as well as historical circles about that. Lucifer does indeed translate as "Morning Star" and, thus, references into the bible to a falling angel are sometimes ascribed to Lucifer (morning star=falling star, I suppose, among other considerations, including, again, the pride factor).

Even so, the bible, in Revelations, if I recall correctly, describes 'the dragon' sweeping his tail through the sky and taking down so many stars in his fall. This would explain, perhaps, how the devil, Satan, has been seen as this 'ugly, green-horned, etc' sort of creature.

Interestingly, just to show where our information comes from, a Catholic pope in the 13th century apparently determined somehow that exactly 133 million, so many thousands, etc.,....down to single digits!!!, an exact number of angels were cast from heaven (which also, if the bible is to be believed re the numbers for and against the almighty, reveals the exact number of angels still in Heaven: twice that number!).

Re the seraphim and cherubs and so on, I remember this from catechism, but had to confirm it: the seraphim are the highest order of angel, and there are but four, sitting at the highest level, next to God. These are the 'powerful lights' you reference. The next level is occupied by cherubim, and then, of course, you get your 'mere' angels .

Throw some archangels in there somewhere, somehow, and you have a mighty fine stew!

Please note the preponderance of the number three throughout Christianity: your Holy Trinity, your angelic strata, the duality of 3s that is the number of the beast, and even the nature of events in various bible stories.

Three is a powerful number in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic threesome.

As it turns out, three is a powerful number in MANY religions.

Which gets me to old Joe Campbell. Quite a character, quite a life! One HAS to respect someone who has gone to such trouble to explore and closely examine the religions of the world, as he did, to talk to people of varied cloth, if you will, from all around the world, and to come away from that respected and admired by many while at the same time sticking many of the beliefs and traditions he collected into a blender to develop a single rather coherent theory about religion and mythology.

And this is where I must distinguish my terms. To me, there are believers, there are non-believers (who are, ironically, also believers) and there are unknowers.

So:

Theists, deists, pantheists, these are all folks who believe in a higher power. Theists, like Christians and Jews, (to borrow from my favorite online dictionary: believe in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world; deism, again to borrow: a movement or system of thought advocating natural religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe; and then pantheism, which I refer to, perhaps incorrectly, as the belief in many gods, who habituate the many objects of our nature, the wind, the sun, the plants, the animals, etc..

Agnostic: To me, this is an unknower. This is someone who DOES NOT KNOW.

Atheist: This is a believer, ironically enough, one who BELIEVES there is no god, there are no gods. I will state for the record that I find this belief system to be paradoxical, nonsensical: It requires an insinuation that one knows all there is to know in the entire universe and beyond.

So, to me, Campbell missed the boat slightly. He seems to be someone who believes in one or more higher powers, based on some sort of mythology and Jungian theory he has put together. But, there is great irony in this as well. He accepts no religion outright, or so it seems from limited reading, but chooses to incorporate Jung's ideas about primal memory with substantiation of repetition in various religions to come up with a solution, that is, that there is something, even if we can not say what it is.

I suspect that you, Phil, are in the same place, as are a great many others who divide themselves between 'believers but not religious' (how many times have i heard that?) and those who proclaim to be agnostic (in the sense with which I use it) but are not.

Sorry for the long and boring screed. Just had to work that out of me, to be sure I was where I thought I was. I am.

I am sure I have missed many points I wanted to make, much to communal delight but I will suggest that if you get a chance, one and all, read a short story by Harlan Ellison called Death Bird. It is sci-fi/fantasy from the 70s, but an excellent counterpoint to unlimited devotion to the word of the bible, really a rather humorous look, if you don't take yourself too seriously.

Take care, all who got to this point ,

Joe

Unknown

angelsbaby said:

I hope
there is a haven because i plan on meeting up with angel there to continue our life.

michelle

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Unknown

angelsbaby said:

I hope
there is a haven because i plan on meeting up with angel there to continue our life.

michelle

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terato

I took a "vacation" from Catholicism for about four years,
to explore other churches and spent some time with the Unity School of Christianity. Unity had this expression for death, "making his/her transition", the leaving of a corporeal existence for a spiritual one. When people claim they "feel the presence" of a beloved family member or friend, I believe that it is more than mere imagination or "wishful thinking". I have had subtle and not-so-subtle occurrences in my life which have convinced me that neither my parents nor my brother are truly gone just because their bodies have ceased to function. Call it "pure thought", "spirit", or "soul", the part of us that is US never dies, it just arrives at a state of oneness with the infinite, or God, if you prefer.

Love and Courage!

Rick

dasspears

2bhealed said:

spirit world
The day my sister died (she was 33 and i was 30) I definitely felt her spirit presence around me. It was very cool and very strong. After she died I also felt that she visited me in my dream world very strongly. I believe she brought me messages. I have a kinda cool story about that but for another time.

I know for a fact that we have angels since one of them woke my husband up when he fell asleep driving back from CO. The rest of us (4 kids and I) were all asleep and someone YELLED his name loudly and woke him up as he was leaving the road.

Just one example.

The rocks will cry out. God IS all around us and I find him the most in my favorite place next to our creek in our woods where my in-laws and pets are buried. Peace and tranquility.

Hey Phil! Where you been?

peace, emily

Total Agreement
Love all that you wrote. Nowhere do I feel a more spiritual presence as I do in nature. The peace and tranquility is inspiring. I feel such negative "vibes" when I attend a church service.

Shayenne

terato said:

I took a "vacation" from Catholicism for about four years,
to explore other churches and spent some time with the Unity School of Christianity. Unity had this expression for death, "making his/her transition", the leaving of a corporeal existence for a spiritual one. When people claim they "feel the presence" of a beloved family member or friend, I believe that it is more than mere imagination or "wishful thinking". I have had subtle and not-so-subtle occurrences in my life which have convinced me that neither my parents nor my brother are truly gone just because their bodies have ceased to function. Call it "pure thought", "spirit", or "soul", the part of us that is US never dies, it just arrives at a state of oneness with the infinite, or God, if you prefer.

Love and Courage!

Rick

WoW....
....How could I miss this great thread? I never thinkn of looking here! I'm such a dummy!

I was raised Catholic, went to a Catholic school till 5th grade, church, all that, but not very practicing. I do believe in Jesus, and God, angels, Heaven and Hell, I believe in it all. There have too many experiences in my life that would be unexplainable, and there is no way our souls just die.

I will share a couple of things that happened to me....

After my father died, I had a dream that night, where he was laying in his casket, and when I went over to it, he sat up, and stretched his arms really wide, saying "Come give me one last hug before I move on" and I literally hugged him, crying in my dream, and when I woke up, I was still crying! I believe he came in my dream for that goodbye, it was so real.

Another time, when my grandmother died, the lights in my house blinked on and off 3 times, when I got the phone call from an aunt saying she died right at that time, it was very strange...too many deceased relatives that come in my dreams and talk to me, it just doesn't end.

I don't judge anyone their beliefs, everyone has their own opinion, I know my experiences may sound nutty, but in my heart, there is something out there after death, our bodies are just a shell, and when we die, our spirit goes free.

Glad to finally read other posts here...great views from everyone.

Hugssss!!
~Donna

terato

Shayenne said:

WoW....
....How could I miss this great thread? I never thinkn of looking here! I'm such a dummy!

I was raised Catholic, went to a Catholic school till 5th grade, church, all that, but not very practicing. I do believe in Jesus, and God, angels, Heaven and Hell, I believe in it all. There have too many experiences in my life that would be unexplainable, and there is no way our souls just die.

I will share a couple of things that happened to me....

After my father died, I had a dream that night, where he was laying in his casket, and when I went over to it, he sat up, and stretched his arms really wide, saying "Come give me one last hug before I move on" and I literally hugged him, crying in my dream, and when I woke up, I was still crying! I believe he came in my dream for that goodbye, it was so real.

Another time, when my grandmother died, the lights in my house blinked on and off 3 times, when I got the phone call from an aunt saying she died right at that time, it was very strange...too many deceased relatives that come in my dreams and talk to me, it just doesn't end.

I don't judge anyone their beliefs, everyone has their own opinion, I know my experiences may sound nutty, but in my heart, there is something out there after death, our bodies are just a shell, and when we die, our spirit goes free.

Glad to finally read other posts here...great views from everyone.

Hugssss!!
~Donna

My brother's Christmas gift.
Donna,

My brother committed suicide in '94. In September of 2006, the Illinois State Treasurer published a list of people with unclaimed assets with my brother's name among them. The hitch was the ability to connect him to the address posted, proving that he was the actual owner of the asset. Too much time had elapsed and most of my brother's legal documents featured subsequent addresses. I had given up hope of ever connecting him to the address where he resided with his ex, until one day in early November, when I was attempting to reach some old audio tapes on top of this box on the top shelf of my closet. The box fell, hitting me in the head, and falling open on the floor, revealing some of my brother's old photographs along with a manila envelope containing a copy of his divorce papers with the much needed address. I immediately scanned the document into my hard drive and sent a copy with an addendum letter to the State Treasurer's office. A dividend check, from the State Treasurer, in the amount of $500 arrived about three weeks later just in time for Christmas!

Our loved ones ARE with us ALWAYS!

Love and Courage!

Rick

Marcia527

Shayenne said:

WoW....
....How could I miss this great thread? I never thinkn of looking here! I'm such a dummy!

I was raised Catholic, went to a Catholic school till 5th grade, church, all that, but not very practicing. I do believe in Jesus, and God, angels, Heaven and Hell, I believe in it all. There have too many experiences in my life that would be unexplainable, and there is no way our souls just die.

I will share a couple of things that happened to me....

After my father died, I had a dream that night, where he was laying in his casket, and when I went over to it, he sat up, and stretched his arms really wide, saying "Come give me one last hug before I move on" and I literally hugged him, crying in my dream, and when I woke up, I was still crying! I believe he came in my dream for that goodbye, it was so real.

Another time, when my grandmother died, the lights in my house blinked on and off 3 times, when I got the phone call from an aunt saying she died right at that time, it was very strange...too many deceased relatives that come in my dreams and talk to me, it just doesn't end.

I don't judge anyone their beliefs, everyone has their own opinion, I know my experiences may sound nutty, but in my heart, there is something out there after death, our bodies are just a shell, and when we die, our spirit goes free.

Glad to finally read other posts here...great views from everyone.

Hugssss!!
~Donna

Since you shared I will too.
Since you shared I will too. At my sister-in-laws funeral my husband felt her presence and thought, "What is it like on the other side?" We lived in a different state and our boys were older and we had left them home to continue in school. A few days later when we arrived home our youngest said he had a dream while we were gone. He said his aunt was in the dream and she told him she couldn't tell him what it was like there because it was against the rules. He told my husband this without knowing what happened or was thought at the church.

Shayenne

Marcia527 said:

Since you shared I will too.
Since you shared I will too. At my sister-in-laws funeral my husband felt her presence and thought, "What is it like on the other side?" We lived in a different state and our boys were older and we had left them home to continue in school. A few days later when we arrived home our youngest said he had a dream while we were gone. He said his aunt was in the dream and she told him she couldn't tell him what it was like there because it was against the rules. He told my husband this without knowing what happened or was thought at the church.

Beautiful!
I love hearing these stories, because to me, it just shows that you must keep your faith, and you don't have to "See" to "Believe", I know in my heart we will see our families again, and be forever joined with no pain, or sickness again. Just Believe!

Hugsss!
~Donna

2bhealed

Marcia527 said:

Since you shared I will too.
Since you shared I will too. At my sister-in-laws funeral my husband felt her presence and thought, "What is it like on the other side?" We lived in a different state and our boys were older and we had left them home to continue in school. A few days later when we arrived home our youngest said he had a dream while we were gone. He said his aunt was in the dream and she told him she couldn't tell him what it was like there because it was against the rules. He told my husband this without knowing what happened or was thought at the church.

Dream message
Ok here's mine:

Before my 33 yr old sister died she had a baby girl. The baby was 5 months old when my sister died. When I had this dream the baby was still less than a year old.

In my dream my sister and I are sitting on folding chairs in the open air and there is a stage set up. I think we're in the front row. There are people milling around but are of no consequence. She and I are sitting sideways facing each other and I have her daughter sitting on my lap. My sister is highly agitated and she's holding her daughter's hand pointing at the palm of her hand telling me over and over, "LOOK!! Look at what they've done to her hand!! LOOK!" I woke up knowing she was trying to tell me something.

That's the dream.

Many months later I am retelling this dream to one of my sister's best friends and roomie who stayed in contact with my niece and my BIL. The hair on the back of her neck stands up when I tell her this dream b/c she tells me that one night my BIL, with the baby, is at some friends' house and the baby grabbed a hot wire and burned the palm of her hand!!!!

Yeah. So you can be assured that I believe we get messages from the other side.

I had a bunch more dreams where my sister shows up but I don't think all of them had messages for me.

peace, emily

Marcia527

2bhealed said:

Dream message
Ok here's mine:

Before my 33 yr old sister died she had a baby girl. The baby was 5 months old when my sister died. When I had this dream the baby was still less than a year old.

In my dream my sister and I are sitting on folding chairs in the open air and there is a stage set up. I think we're in the front row. There are people milling around but are of no consequence. She and I are sitting sideways facing each other and I have her daughter sitting on my lap. My sister is highly agitated and she's holding her daughter's hand pointing at the palm of her hand telling me over and over, "LOOK!! Look at what they've done to her hand!! LOOK!" I woke up knowing she was trying to tell me something.

That's the dream.

Many months later I am retelling this dream to one of my sister's best friends and roomie who stayed in contact with my niece and my BIL. The hair on the back of her neck stands up when I tell her this dream b/c she tells me that one night my BIL, with the baby, is at some friends' house and the baby grabbed a hot wire and burned the palm of her hand!!!!

Yeah. So you can be assured that I believe we get messages from the other side.

I had a bunch more dreams where my sister shows up but I don't think all of them had messages for me.

peace, emily

I love these stories also.
I love these stories also. This is why I know we go on to another 'something'.

Ok, I'll tell another. My Mom was staying with us several months and fell and broke both arms. I was in distress and that night lying on the sofa I prayed and asked why no one was helping me. I thought also that my guardian angel must be lazy. Then I asked why my sister-in-law couldn't help (the same one I told you about that appeared in my sons dream). That night I had a dream that I was in my parents house and I went into what looked like the kitchen with a refrigerator that wasn't cold. I looked again and you could see through the shelves to a dark area. My sister-in-law was there explaining to a man something. I couldn't hear them but she was gesturing.
Then she passed over to my side somehow and sadly frowned and shook her head and said, "You have to do it by yourself." and then a big voice said, "You have to do it by yourself." I woke up at this point and boy was I mad. I told God that wasn't right. People should help others. That day I got a phone call and my sister got a plane ticket and was coming down to help me. She couldn't get there for a couple days tho so I had to still spend the next night with my Mom at the hospital (she had to have surgery for the break) but I did get help.

PhillieG

2bhealed said:

Dream message
Ok here's mine:

Before my 33 yr old sister died she had a baby girl. The baby was 5 months old when my sister died. When I had this dream the baby was still less than a year old.

In my dream my sister and I are sitting on folding chairs in the open air and there is a stage set up. I think we're in the front row. There are people milling around but are of no consequence. She and I are sitting sideways facing each other and I have her daughter sitting on my lap. My sister is highly agitated and she's holding her daughter's hand pointing at the palm of her hand telling me over and over, "LOOK!! Look at what they've done to her hand!! LOOK!" I woke up knowing she was trying to tell me something.

That's the dream.

Many months later I am retelling this dream to one of my sister's best friends and roomie who stayed in contact with my niece and my BIL. The hair on the back of her neck stands up when I tell her this dream b/c she tells me that one night my BIL, with the baby, is at some friends' house and the baby grabbed a hot wire and burned the palm of her hand!!!!

Yeah. So you can be assured that I believe we get messages from the other side.

I had a bunch more dreams where my sister shows up but I don't think all of them had messages for me.

peace, emily

Ok, ok...My Dream
I dreamed that I ate a GIANT marshmallow, when I woke up my pillow was gone!!!
Sorry, I couldn't resist being the immature person I am.

I do believe though in the presence of other "people/spirits" or whatever you wish to call them. I don't think it's just lights out, everyone go home when it's over. While I know I do not believe in the catholic teaching of heaven/hell/original sin/etc, I really do not know what happens to us after we die. I do think religion was created to explain the unexplainable (until science had to come along and ruin everything!) and also to keep people in line and get property and money etc....

But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. I think as long as you are not hurting anyone you're probably doing OK.