Here is what could be an interesting topic. What do you believe happens to "us" after we die?

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  • RE
    RE Member Posts: 4,591 Member
    #142
    Lisa13Q said:

    Question for the reigious here
    If heaven is so great, and you truly believe in it, why aren't you all enthusiastic about going, and not joyful about dying? Personally, I don't think I can believe in heaven, if i did I would sure want to get there rather than endure this...

    Hello Lisa, I tried to
    Hello Lisa, I tried to understand what you are enduring but on your site here there are no comments, blogs or expressions so in that area I am a bit in the dark. I do hope that whatever your battles are that you will have better day's ahead.

    I do very much believe in Heaven and I know someday I will be there with my Mom and Sister who have gone before me along with other loved ones and of course my Lord. However, I have two adult children who still can learn from my life's lesson's as well as 3 beautiful grandchildren I love with a passion and a husband who I cannot even express how much I love him. Simply because one know's Heaven exists is not a reason to give up on the life we have here and simply say okay no chemo for me let me die. My passing would cause a great deal of suffering in this family as I am the Mom and I love them all. I will fight to remain here as long as I can, when God calls me home home I shall go until then I will be My Guy's Wife, a Mom, Grandma, Sister, Daughter, Auntie, Friend to those I love and that love me.

    RE
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    #143
    Trew said:

    Marica,
    May the Lord bless you and keep you and thank-you for your insight and may the Lord bless your husband with culinary skills equall to your faith and humor!

    "I second that emotion!"
    (But without the god part :))

    Take care,

    Joe
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    #144
    Trew said:

    Knockin' on Heaven's Door
    IF heaven could be gained by simply dying, your question makes sense. And I have no doubts that many have tried to enter that way- by dying.

    But there are conditions laid out clearly in the Bible for enterance into heaven. The thief on the cross demonstrated those steps. He repented, believed on Jesus, and submitted or followed (as best he could). Dying is not one of the steps to gaining eternal life.

    Paul, facing execution in the near future (he was beheaded) knew there was a glorious future waiting for him- not at death, but according to 1 Cor. 15- at the second Coming of Jesus. It is Jesus who rewards the faithful with life then- at His Coming. Jesus is the one who is in charge of "heavenly admissions," and not we ourselves. So we cling to life here while we live, knowing that life is not ours to take, but to live in a faith relationship with Jesus until our last breath slips away and we fall asleep in Jesus as described in John 11 and 1 Thess. 4.

    So, while we live it our lot to be in a state of repentance and obedience before Jesus, and turst in Him and wait. You never know, some who have been close to death have recovered.

    All that said, there is nothing wrong with letting a disease takes it course and refusing treatment that only complicates what life is left.

    Jeez Louise!
    Just as the Christian Scientists, of all people, seem to be moderating their dogma regarding medical intervention, you come up with that last line of yours.

    One of the things I find most ironic about the new testament, after much deliberation, is that Jesus purportedly spoke of meekness and turning the other cheek and being humble, while his most adamant adherents today are anything but meek, anything but mild, certainly anything but humble. In your certainty, you seem to be further evidence of that.

    Jesus, himself, purportedly and if I remember correctly, had doubts even upon the cross.

    Take care,

    Joe
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    #145
    I'll Say One Thing!
    This post won't die! I'm glad to see it's still being discussed.
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    #146
    soccerfreaks said:

    Jeez Louise!
    Just as the Christian Scientists, of all people, seem to be moderating their dogma regarding medical intervention, you come up with that last line of yours.

    One of the things I find most ironic about the new testament, after much deliberation, is that Jesus purportedly spoke of meekness and turning the other cheek and being humble, while his most adamant adherents today are anything but meek, anything but mild, certainly anything but humble. In your certainty, you seem to be further evidence of that.

    Jesus, himself, purportedly and if I remember correctly, had doubts even upon the cross.

    Take care,

    Joe

    Jesus
    Hi Joe

    (Jesus, himself, purportedly and if I remember correctly, had doubts even upon the cross). Just trying to see what part of the Bible you were reading that said Jesus doubted

    Take care
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    #147
    PhillieG said:

    I'll Say One Thing!
    This post won't die! I'm glad to see it's still being discussed.

    Hi Phil
    That is because it is a very good tread and a lot of people of all aspect in life believe in something or nothing after death.

    I am just glad to see it can be discuss with out someone becoming offended or wanted to argu just there point. we are all free to Believe it or Not.

    Take care
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    #148
    Hondo said:

    Jesus
    Hi Joe

    (Jesus, himself, purportedly and if I remember correctly, had doubts even upon the cross). Just trying to see what part of the Bible you were reading that said Jesus doubted

    Take care

    you're supposed to know this
    "Why hast thou forsaken me?"
  • RE
    RE Member Posts: 4,591 Member
    #149
    Hondo said:

    Jesus
    Hi Joe

    (Jesus, himself, purportedly and if I remember correctly, had doubts even upon the cross). Just trying to see what part of the Bible you were reading that said Jesus doubted

    Take care

    Hi Joe & Hondo
    It is in Mark 15:34 where Jesus say's And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani which is, being interpreted, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" this time of year it is mentioned and discussed in many churches as a time when Jesus truly showed his human side as we all have moments of weakness because we are Human as he was while on the cross. He also showed his human self while in the Garden of Gethsemane when in Mark 14:36 it states "And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt." He so wanted God to say okay my son you do not have to go through with this. However, in the end as he took his last breath as stated in Luke 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." So in the end his questions passed and his faith prevailed as he placed his soul in God's keeping to rise on the third day and ascend into the Heavens according to the Bible which is what my faith is based upon.

    I guess that is the Easter Story (minus the ever popular bunny part) in a nutshell. Yes Jesus had his moments of weakness and yes if you are a believer in scripture he prevailed. Okay I know most of you hate scripture quoting and I do it so rarely but hey tis the season.

    My best to you all I shall now step down from my soap box, ;-)

    RE
  • RE
    RE Member Posts: 4,591 Member
    #150
    PhillieG said:

    I'll Say One Thing!
    This post won't die! I'm glad to see it's still being discussed.

    The Never Ending Post
    Geez guess you are the proud PaPa of the longest going post on this board to date, perhaps congrats are in order. Have a good day Phil, mine shall be filled with doctor appointments...yucko!

    RE
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    #151
    RE said:

    The Never Ending Post
    Geez guess you are the proud PaPa of the longest going post on this board to date, perhaps congrats are in order. Have a good day Phil, mine shall be filled with doctor appointments...yucko!

    RE

    I hope all of your visits go well today.

    It's managed to remain a good post. We all have our own ideas about what may happen to us. If I go first I'll try to sign in from where ever I may be. I should start a thread "Do you believe there is wi-fi in the Hereafter and if so is it VIOS or Cable?"
    -phil
    What a very happy baby you have there...
  • RE
    RE Member Posts: 4,591 Member
    #152
    PhillieG said:

    I hope all of your visits go well today.

    It's managed to remain a good post. We all have our own ideas about what may happen to us. If I go first I'll try to sign in from where ever I may be. I should start a thread "Do you believe there is wi-fi in the Hereafter and if so is it VIOS or Cable?"
    -phil
    What a very happy baby you have there...

    Thank you!
    She is my beautiful grand daughter Ava, she is a tiny little one 9 months and only 16 lbs. had her check up today they don't seemed concerned just say she is tiny.

    I have always told Joe if I go first and get back I will visit him to give him the proof he needs to believe, so if you'd like I could do the same for you. Now I must add my disclaimer with my luck and the fact that I am a major clutz with a horrible sense of direction I may well get lost or end up somewhere I did not intend to be but heh I am willing to try if I happen to go first.

    Okay wish me luck Phil I just listened to the tutorial you sent me (great to hear your voice by the way) and I am going to try to link something to a discussion. Thanks again for taking the time to do that for it was kind of you.

    RE
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    #153
    RE said:

    Thank you!
    She is my beautiful grand daughter Ava, she is a tiny little one 9 months and only 16 lbs. had her check up today they don't seemed concerned just say she is tiny.

    I have always told Joe if I go first and get back I will visit him to give him the proof he needs to believe, so if you'd like I could do the same for you. Now I must add my disclaimer with my luck and the fact that I am a major clutz with a horrible sense of direction I may well get lost or end up somewhere I did not intend to be but heh I am willing to try if I happen to go first.

    Okay wish me luck Phil I just listened to the tutorial you sent me (great to hear your voice by the way) and I am going to try to link something to a discussion. Thanks again for taking the time to do that for it was kind of you.

    RE

    :-)
    I love babies but do NOT need any more now. I can wait for grandkids! Kids have a way of catching up with everyone else in due time. Some people are petite too.

    Hopefully they will give everyone GPS devices so you'll do OK. It's a pleasure to share what I know with computers, I'm glad you are going to give it a whirl. If you get stuck, email me.

    Hope all goes great today
    -p
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    #154
    RE said:

    Thank you!
    She is my beautiful grand daughter Ava, she is a tiny little one 9 months and only 16 lbs. had her check up today they don't seemed concerned just say she is tiny.

    I have always told Joe if I go first and get back I will visit him to give him the proof he needs to believe, so if you'd like I could do the same for you. Now I must add my disclaimer with my luck and the fact that I am a major clutz with a horrible sense of direction I may well get lost or end up somewhere I did not intend to be but heh I am willing to try if I happen to go first.

    Okay wish me luck Phil I just listened to the tutorial you sent me (great to hear your voice by the way) and I am going to try to link something to a discussion. Thanks again for taking the time to do that for it was kind of you.

    RE

    afterlife
    And what I always say is that if I go first I will tap on your shoulder once if there is an afterlife, twice if there is not :).

    Take care,

    Joe
  • RE
    RE Member Posts: 4,591 Member
    #155
    soccerfreaks said:

    afterlife
    And what I always say is that if I go first I will tap on your shoulder once if there is an afterlife, twice if there is not :).

    Take care,

    Joe

    ;-D
    Yup you are still a goof and I can see by your statement you plan to carry your goofiness into the next realm. Please tap my right shoulder, my left is numb sometimes and I don't want to get the wrong idea..... bye for now Mr. Joe.

    RE
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    #156
    RE said:

    Hi Joe & Hondo
    It is in Mark 15:34 where Jesus say's And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani which is, being interpreted, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" this time of year it is mentioned and discussed in many churches as a time when Jesus truly showed his human side as we all have moments of weakness because we are Human as he was while on the cross. He also showed his human self while in the Garden of Gethsemane when in Mark 14:36 it states "And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt." He so wanted God to say okay my son you do not have to go through with this. However, in the end as he took his last breath as stated in Luke 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." So in the end his questions passed and his faith prevailed as he placed his soul in God's keeping to rise on the third day and ascend into the Heavens according to the Bible which is what my faith is based upon.

    I guess that is the Easter Story (minus the ever popular bunny part) in a nutshell. Yes Jesus had his moments of weakness and yes if you are a believer in scripture he prevailed. Okay I know most of you hate scripture quoting and I do it so rarely but hey tis the season.

    My best to you all I shall now step down from my soap box, ;-)

    RE

    Hi: RE / Joe
    I would like to express what I think as to why Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me.

    I don’t see Jesus doubting who he is while being on the cross; I believe this is where a deeper study of the Bible is needed to understand why Jesus said what he said.

    If you look at what John the Baptist said about Jesus in John 1:29 Behold the Lamb of God, what was John reason for expressing this? Look at what he said; Jesus was the one, which take away the sin of the world.

    In Jesus days a Lamb was sacrifice in behalf of the sinner, transferring the sins from the guilty to the innocent. That Lamb represented Jesus who would take the Sins of all men and die the death that we deserve. Ezek 18:4 said the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Jesus took that death for all who put there faith in Him as our savior he took our Sins.

    What separates us from God, Sin correct? So if Jesus took our Sins then he felt what separation from the Father was like and so cried out. Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. Not because he was week or doubted but because it was what he came to do, Die for all who put there faith in him.

    Great study question; take care
  • RE
    RE Member Posts: 4,591 Member
    #157
    Hondo said:

    Hi: RE / Joe
    I would like to express what I think as to why Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me.

    I don’t see Jesus doubting who he is while being on the cross; I believe this is where a deeper study of the Bible is needed to understand why Jesus said what he said.

    If you look at what John the Baptist said about Jesus in John 1:29 Behold the Lamb of God, what was John reason for expressing this? Look at what he said; Jesus was the one, which take away the sin of the world.

    In Jesus days a Lamb was sacrifice in behalf of the sinner, transferring the sins from the guilty to the innocent. That Lamb represented Jesus who would take the Sins of all men and die the death that we deserve. Ezek 18:4 said the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Jesus took that death for all who put there faith in Him as our savior he took our Sins.

    What separates us from God, Sin correct? So if Jesus took our Sins then he felt what separation from the Father was like and so cried out. Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. Not because he was week or doubted but because it was what he came to do, Die for all who put there faith in him.

    Great study question; take care

    Another point of view
    Hello Hondo,

    In my lifetime I have been to many sermons on this topic and have heard both of our views preached, it is what speaks to you that matters for you. By the way I did not mean to say Jesus doubted who he was he simply felt abandoned at the moment in his life when he needed his father the most (of course he was not abandoned, as a child I am sure you had like moments and perhaps even as an adult). He got past that and followed through with what he knew was required of him so that he could carry our sins for us as the bridge from him to our Lord.

    My Best to You and Happy Easter,

    RE
  • mariam_11_09
    mariam_11_09 Member Posts: 691 Member
    #158
    PhillieG said:

    Look at Suicide Bombers...
    They can't WAIT to get there!
    How strange (to me) is that?

    yeah, but that's a kind of

    yeah, but that's a kind of brainwashing that goes on with the suicide bombers. They have taken on the role of the matyr. Most of them are men and many Muslim men believe that when they die they will go to Paradise(heaven), become the age that Jesus was when he died and be served by 72 virgins. Well isn't that a great fantasy if you are man!

    Pity this is so taken out of context (Paradise) because there is a whole mystical aspect behind it.
  • mariam_11_09
    mariam_11_09 Member Posts: 691 Member
    #159
    Hondo said:

    Hi: RE / Joe
    I would like to express what I think as to why Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me.

    I don’t see Jesus doubting who he is while being on the cross; I believe this is where a deeper study of the Bible is needed to understand why Jesus said what he said.

    If you look at what John the Baptist said about Jesus in John 1:29 Behold the Lamb of God, what was John reason for expressing this? Look at what he said; Jesus was the one, which take away the sin of the world.

    In Jesus days a Lamb was sacrifice in behalf of the sinner, transferring the sins from the guilty to the innocent. That Lamb represented Jesus who would take the Sins of all men and die the death that we deserve. Ezek 18:4 said the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Jesus took that death for all who put there faith in Him as our savior he took our Sins.

    What separates us from God, Sin correct? So if Jesus took our Sins then he felt what separation from the Father was like and so cried out. Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. Not because he was week or doubted but because it was what he came to do, Die for all who put there faith in him.

    Great study question; take care

    I was watching the movie 'A

    I was watching the movie 'A Taste of Cherry' with my daughter. It is about a man who is driving around Tehran trying to find someone who will bury him after he commits suicide. He picks up a man who had been studying in a seminary and the man told him it is a sin to kill oneself. My daughter asked me 'what is sin?'

    Hondo, I am very curious to know how you as a Christian define sin.

    And what also defines suicide? If one refuses treatment is that suicide?
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    #160
    mariam_11_09 said:

    I was watching the movie 'A

    I was watching the movie 'A Taste of Cherry' with my daughter. It is about a man who is driving around Tehran trying to find someone who will bury him after he commits suicide. He picks up a man who had been studying in a seminary and the man told him it is a sin to kill oneself. My daughter asked me 'what is sin?'

    Hondo, I am very curious to know how you as a Christian define sin.

    And what also defines suicide? If one refuses treatment is that suicide?

    Suicide
    A definition I found online that defines it fairly well for me:
    "People who commit suicide deliberately kill themselves because they do not want to continue living."

    I don't think that refusing chemo is suicide. I think it's a choice of how one wants to live their life.

    I'll leave the sin question alone...
    -phil
  • mariam_11_09
    mariam_11_09 Member Posts: 691 Member
    #161
    PhillieG said:

    Suicide
    A definition I found online that defines it fairly well for me:
    "People who commit suicide deliberately kill themselves because they do not want to continue living."

    I don't think that refusing chemo is suicide. I think it's a choice of how one wants to live their life.

    I'll leave the sin question alone...
    -phil

    Someone I knew who had

    Someone I knew who had malaria (Falciparum - the one if you don't treat you are certain to die) out in the boondocks in West Africa. This person said to me, if I die, it is not because of the malaria alone it is because I want to. No-one will think it is suicide, they will say what a shame, he died of malaria. So I have to make choice.

    He did make a choice and we did get him to clinic a couple of days after he should have died, the doctors were amazed he was still alive. He lives today.

    I am really not saying, that refusing chemo or if one dies from cancer it is a death wish. However it did get me to think different and more deeply about my own desire to live and how I want to live, particularly with regards to my own cancer.

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