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Here is what could be an interesting topic. What do you believe happens to "us" after we die?

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Let's face it. From the moment we are born we are starting our journey towards death. There are many thoughts on what happens to our spirit/soul/energy/essence/being, whatever you wish to call it, after we die. Do you believe in Heaven and Hell, reincarnation, transfer of energy to another dimension, something else, or are you just DEAD?
I think this can be an interesting topic for everyone's thoughts.
-phil

August 22, 2009: Just an update. I'm very happy that so many people responded and that many have found this to be an interesting topic. This is more than I had hoped for when I created this thread. I'm also VERY happy that CSN decided to create this space for us to talk about topics like these since most of us have had a brush with our own mortality.
Thanks again to everyone who has posted here
-phil

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Hi,

while I don't like to align myself to a particular 'ism' (because I believe that 'isms' are created for the sole protection of beliefs over authentic experience), you beliefs are very similar to mine, which would be considered Spiritualist.

I believe what Teilhard de Chardin said:

'You are not a human being in search of a spiritual experience. You are a spiritual being immersed in a human experience.'

And, in believing that, I therefore cannot believe in death of 'us' since 'we' are spiritual. I can only believe in death as the change that takes place when the body returns to the natural elements from which it was derived - and the spirit moves on to learning more about what is real.

AussieMaddie

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Thank you Phil - this is a very cool thread and I found it very interesting to read everyones views, beliefs, etc.

As for me - Im struggling. I don't yet have the gift of complete faith. I believe in something larger than all of us - something divine - but not in the way I have been taught. I question the stories - my mind gets in the way. I was raised Catholic, and since my husband's diagnosis have gone back to mass, but I can't really say that I am a true Catholic. I go to pray to God. My husband is Lutheran, but does not believe in organized religion, and I raised my children as Catholics, and their radical CCD teachers managed to turn them both away from Catholicism by telling them that their father "could never get to heaven unless he went to confession and was saved", and that "innocent babies that die before baptism can never get to heaven", along with other things I do not believe, do not want to believe about God. I want to believe that God is all love and compassion and includes all who strive for goodness, peace and love towards mankind, animals, the earth.

As for what I do know for sure - I believe that evil exists. As Emily said - "..ask the people of Darfur about hell..". I could cite many other examples also. I sometimes feel that hell is right here on earth - that the fact that horrors are allowed to happen all the time makes this hell - free will allows us to make our own hell right here - and that the good things that happen are our glimpses of heaven, of what can be if we all collectively use/lead with the innate goodness we can possess. I know I certainly felt God's presence when my newborn babies were placed in my arms, and that I certainly had just participated in a miracle.

Creation vs. Evolution - I lean towards evolution, or maybe some combination of both theories.

I frequently feel awed by the divinity of nature also, and as I said in another thread the beauty of music, art.

I also believe in angels - that we are sometimes angels for each other too. I have had times in my life where a person was put in my path to help me through a rough or challenging situation, so I do believe that some people come into our lives as angels and that sometimes we are used in that capacity for others also, as an instrument of healing, or peace, or knowledge, etc. Look at the goodness, compassion, and generousity on these boards - I believe that is the spark of divinity in us that wants to reach out and help others.

As for what happens after we die - I believe there are spirits around us and that they can be here to help us, and to guide us to what is best for our souls (yes, I believe we have souls). I am also open to the possibility that we - our souls - may have been here before and will be here again, til we work out some issue or learn something that helps us transcend. I don't want to believe we are just DEAD - and don't think we are. When my father passed away after a long illness my sister woke up in the middle of the night to find my nephew talking in his crib. When she asked him who he was talking to, he said "Pop Pop". He was about 2 years old. My father adored his children and grandchildren. My nephew was the youngest and named after my father, who had been very sick during most of my nephew's young life. He doesn't remember my father at all - unlike my children or my niece who were older and got to know him a little. I want to believe my father's spirit was around my nephew, and in fact is watching over my children and nieces and nephews now - the ones that were born after his death too. Also, I once went to a physic with my sister. I really don't believe in physics, but this was weird. When I walked into the room for my turn, before anyone who could have told her my father was gone, she said to me "your father says hello and said he is watching over your pain in the a$$ dog for you". My very affectionate golden retriever, who was not very well trained in obedience, had recently died. She had no way of knowing that, and my father was a very loving, very funny, cut-up kind of guy. It is exactly what he would have said. It was very, very wierd!!

So, I guess I am a believer of sorts. A confused believer. A believer on a journey. On another thread I talked about a sermon I heard one morning at mass. The priest was saying that Jesus rebelled against the religious leaders of his time, rebelled against the "absolute" laws. He said that Jesus stood in the middle with his arms stretched wide to include all views, all people. I like that Jesus. I don't believe there is one path to God, one right way. I like to think of God as all inclusive to those who seek to live a good life, treating others respectfully and caring about others, doing no harm, loving and respecting all creation. I do struggle with why an all loving, all powerful, compassionate God allows horrors to happen (ie., Darfur, the Holocaust, harm or sickness to innocent children, illnesses like cancer, etc., etc., etc.,). Some believers say it is part of free will, but I still have questions. Guess this is part of my lack of faith to trust in what I don't/can't understand. I envy those with complete faith. There must be peace in that.

Sorry to have rambled - got caught up in my thoughts. Hope I didn't bore anyone or sound disrespectful to anyone - that was not my intention.

Thanks Phil for an interesting thread!

Peace in your hearts,
Donna

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Oh Donna,

I LOVED your story about going to the psychic!

:-)

Sorry about your dad and your dog though.

peace, emily

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My sister and I - whole family really - laugh every time we talk about it!! My dad was really a character and I come from a family of cut-ups. My sister and mom love going to card readers, psychics, etc., so my brothers are always asking them to ask my father for the winning lottery numbers! :-))) The weirdest/funniest part was that that is exactly what my dad would have said about my dog!!

So glad your son is okay!!

Donna

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Great reply Donna. We share a lot of beliefs.
Thanks for posting.
-phil

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Thank you Phil - for starting such an interesting thread!

Donna

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I get tired of cancer talk at times. I find it interesting to hear what others think about this. It's sort of like when someone tells you their dreams, they can be something you can relate to or something very foreign.
-phil

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and I have only been at this since May 28, so I can imagine how you must feel at times.

Peace,
Donna

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Ok Phil, you said you like it when people tell you their dreams...

I've had many doozy dreams that were probably much more ocmplicated and meaningful, but here's a silly short one I had last night:

In my dream I was watering the brown spots in my backyard lawn (we live in Calif- water shortange and the sprinklers don't keep things watered enough). Anyhow, I was watering the lawn with the hose, when all of a sudden my bedroom dresser, which is normally is medium oak color, was green and was lying over the brown spot in the lawn. I was watering that brown spot and blinked when I noticed all of a sudden it turned green, but it was my dresser that was green lying on top of it.

Maybe it was the steroids I had in my chemo mix yesterday- haha!

Lisa

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Lisa, that's cool. At least your lawn is green. We have had so much rain on the east coast it's not funny. Normally be July I can stop cutting the lawn or let it go a few weeks. Now it's every 5 days or so that I still have to cut it.
I wish that was a dream ;-)
-phil

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If you are interested in dream interpretation there is a cool website to help. It's
www.dreammoods.com. It comes pretty close if you apply it to how you feel and the dream objects.

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I don't think its over when we die but that doesn't mean I think its heaven or hell. I think this energy that is our conciousness, who we are inside our bodies moves forward into something else. Could be another dimension, maybe conciousness without physical existence, its unknown. I want to live a long life but I don't really fear this, even with with a cancer diagnosos I have grown more comfortable in my thoughts about when this curtain comes down.

Phil thanks for pointing out this section in your CRC post, I never thought to look beyond cancer type in the discussion boards. I am purposefully keeping my comments to what I believe and not why I don't believe what someone else does.

Mike

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For days after death hair and fingernails continue to grow, but phone calls taper off.
~Johnny Carson

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there is a haven because i plan on meeting up with angel there to continue our life.

michelle

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Kep those coming, my God that's funny !!

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to explore other churches and spent some time with the Unity School of Christianity. Unity had this expression for death, "making his/her transition", the leaving of a corporeal existence for a spiritual one. When people claim they "feel the presence" of a beloved family member or friend, I believe that it is more than mere imagination or "wishful thinking". I have had subtle and not-so-subtle occurrences in my life which have convinced me that neither my parents nor my brother are truly gone just because their bodies have ceased to function. Call it "pure thought", "spirit", or "soul", the part of us that is US never dies, it just arrives at a state of oneness with the infinite, or God, if you prefer.

Love and Courage!

Rick

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....How could I miss this great thread? I never thinkn of looking here! I'm such a dummy!

I was raised Catholic, went to a Catholic school till 5th grade, church, all that, but not very practicing. I do believe in Jesus, and God, angels, Heaven and Hell, I believe in it all. There have too many experiences in my life that would be unexplainable, and there is no way our souls just die.

I will share a couple of things that happened to me....

After my father died, I had a dream that night, where he was laying in his casket, and when I went over to it, he sat up, and stretched his arms really wide, saying "Come give me one last hug before I move on" and I literally hugged him, crying in my dream, and when I woke up, I was still crying! I believe he came in my dream for that goodbye, it was so real.

Another time, when my grandmother died, the lights in my house blinked on and off 3 times, when I got the phone call from an aunt saying she died right at that time, it was very strange...too many deceased relatives that come in my dreams and talk to me, it just doesn't end.

I don't judge anyone their beliefs, everyone has their own opinion, I know my experiences may sound nutty, but in my heart, there is something out there after death, our bodies are just a shell, and when we die, our spirit goes free.

Glad to finally read other posts here...great views from everyone.

Hugssss!!
~Donna

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Donna,

My brother committed suicide in '94. In September of 2006, the Illinois State Treasurer published a list of people with unclaimed assets with my brother's name among them. The hitch was the ability to connect him to the address posted, proving that he was the actual owner of the asset. Too much time had elapsed and most of my brother's legal documents featured subsequent addresses. I had given up hope of ever connecting him to the address where he resided with his ex, until one day in early November, when I was attempting to reach some old audio tapes on top of this box on the top shelf of my closet. The box fell, hitting me in the head, and falling open on the floor, revealing some of my brother's old photographs along with a manila envelope containing a copy of his divorce papers with the much needed address. I immediately scanned the document into my hard drive and sent a copy with an addendum letter to the State Treasurer's office. A dividend check, from the State Treasurer, in the amount of $500 arrived about three weeks later just in time for Christmas!

Our loved ones ARE with us ALWAYS!

Love and Courage!

Rick

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Since you shared I will too. At my sister-in-laws funeral my husband felt her presence and thought, "What is it like on the other side?" We lived in a different state and our boys were older and we had left them home to continue in school. A few days later when we arrived home our youngest said he had a dream while we were gone. He said his aunt was in the dream and she told him she couldn't tell him what it was like there because it was against the rules. He told my husband this without knowing what happened or was thought at the church.

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I love hearing these stories, because to me, it just shows that you must keep your faith, and you don't have to "See" to "Believe", I know in my heart we will see our families again, and be forever joined with no pain, or sickness again. Just Believe!

Hugsss!
~Donna

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Ok here's mine:

Before my 33 yr old sister died she had a baby girl. The baby was 5 months old when my sister died. When I had this dream the baby was still less than a year old.

In my dream my sister and I are sitting on folding chairs in the open air and there is a stage set up. I think we're in the front row. There are people milling around but are of no consequence. She and I are sitting sideways facing each other and I have her daughter sitting on my lap. My sister is highly agitated and she's holding her daughter's hand pointing at the palm of her hand telling me over and over, "LOOK!! Look at what they've done to her hand!! LOOK!" I woke up knowing she was trying to tell me something.

That's the dream.

Many months later I am retelling this dream to one of my sister's best friends and roomie who stayed in contact with my niece and my BIL. The hair on the back of her neck stands up when I tell her this dream b/c she tells me that one night my BIL, with the baby, is at some friends' house and the baby grabbed a hot wire and burned the palm of her hand!!!!

Yeah. So you can be assured that I believe we get messages from the other side.

I had a bunch more dreams where my sister shows up but I don't think all of them had messages for me.

peace, emily

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I love these stories also. This is why I know we go on to another 'something'.

Ok, I'll tell another. My Mom was staying with us several months and fell and broke both arms. I was in distress and that night lying on the sofa I prayed and asked why no one was helping me. I thought also that my guardian angel must be lazy. Then I asked why my sister-in-law couldn't help (the same one I told you about that appeared in my sons dream). That night I had a dream that I was in my parents house and I went into what looked like the kitchen with a refrigerator that wasn't cold. I looked again and you could see through the shelves to a dark area. My sister-in-law was there explaining to a man something. I couldn't hear them but she was gesturing.
Then she passed over to my side somehow and sadly frowned and shook her head and said, "You have to do it by yourself." and then a big voice said, "You have to do it by yourself." I woke up at this point and boy was I mad. I told God that wasn't right. People should help others. That day I got a phone call and my sister got a plane ticket and was coming down to help me. She couldn't get there for a couple days tho so I had to still spend the next night with my Mom at the hospital (she had to have surgery for the break) but I did get help.

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I dreamed that I ate a GIANT marshmallow, when I woke up my pillow was gone!!!
Sorry, I couldn't resist being the immature person I am.

I do believe though in the presence of other "people/spirits" or whatever you wish to call them. I don't think it's just lights out, everyone go home when it's over. While I know I do not believe in the catholic teaching of heaven/hell/original sin/etc, I really do not know what happens to us after we die. I do think religion was created to explain the unexplainable (until science had to come along and ruin everything!) and also to keep people in line and get property and money etc....

But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. I think as long as you are not hurting anyone you're probably doing OK.

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to some extent religion HAS been used to control, manipulate and enrich the coffers of the "anointed".

I also think that there's so much we don't know so we DO make up some answers to appease our fears. On the other hand, I know we're energy (our souls) and that energy just cannot die, only our flesh dies. The details of what happens.... who really knows on this side of the equation.

I just know from where i gain my strength and to whom i go to for comfort. And s/he has never failed me yet.

peace, emily

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I too think we are energy and don't know what happens when the heart stops pumping. Maybe we will power someone's giant HUMMER as energy. Gee, I sure as sh*t hope not. I don't think it's that kind of energy.
Emily, I think it's wonderful that you have a place that gives YOU strength. I think that is what matters when all is said and done.
peace out
-p

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Figures a guy would think of a big vehicle. HA!

I'd want to power at '67 split windshield VW microbus. Or maybe I will just haunt our '71.

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If I were thinking along those lines, then a HUMMER wouldn't be the vehicle that's for sure.
I was using that as the biggest waste of gas and energy.
Now if I had my pick of a car to power, it would be a SmartA$$ car to match my personality ;-)

Bummer, the end of Summer.
I want to go swimmin, with bowlegged women...
-p
You seem to bring this side out of me Emily ;-)

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You are right I think, there have been so many documented near death experiences that it 's hard to discount the afterlife.

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Okay I am jumping in a bit late since this part of the tread happened in August but I will share one of the unique things that has happened to me. I have copied it from where I posted it on the bc board in Dec 08...here goes.

My sister passed away on Dec 15, 2007 sometime between 2:00 a.m. and 4 a.m. we were all there but none of us know the exact time. She was fascinated with things that lit up, toys, eye glasses that had lights in them to read (she called these her magic eyes and she made sure we all had a pair :-)) figurines that lit up and candles, oh how she loved candles. In her home she had at least 20 candles that she lit nightly, it was always beautiful and of course it smelled lovely. She also had a gorgeous heart shaped wreath that lights up which she gave to me day's before she passed saying she was sending her heart with me because she knew I would care for it and keep it lit, she was right.

I have told you this as a lead in to what has been happening in my home over the last week. Please read this with an open mind and heart and know that I am a very happy and stable woman (not a nut job). On my husbands side of the bed he has a touch sensitive lamp which has been there for a year and has functioned properly in all of that time. Well four nights ago it began turning on on its own the moment I would turn out my light to go to sleep; which is in most cases no earlier than 2:30 a.m. Now, I mean that I would close my eyes and the lamp would turn on. I thought how odd the first night and asked him to turn it off, it did it 6 more times till we finally just left it on. In the following days I have checked the light throughout the day and it has remained off. No further light shows occurred until last night, I closed my eyes and on came the light. I shut it off and that was the end of that. Tonight at 3:00 a.m. I turned my lamp out, got comfortable and closed my eyes, ping the room lit up. I asked my husband to turn the light out and he looked perplexed and checked his watch, it was then that I realized it is only turning on in the hours that she passed, in the month that she passed and it is a light and as I mentioned above she loved lights! I sobbed for a few moments and am still tearing a bit. It is just like her to want to soothe my pain of her loss by letting me know she is okay. I then vocally told her "I got it, I understand Susan it's you and you are okay. Once I acknowledged her it stopped happening Please understand that I am not making this up, I am in tears as I write this. I am trusting that you all will understand.

I am putting my reputation as a stable person on the line here. I hope this has not offended anyone as it is not my intention to push a spiritual aspect on anyone, it is just what is happening here and I wanted to share.

As I stated in my intro I wrote that on Dec 5, 2008, the lamp has never done that again and continues to function normally.

Thank you all for sharing your experiences which prompted me to do the same.

RE

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I'll vouch for you RE. I'd say you're as sane as I am but some others might wonder about me so I'll say you're perfectly sane and leave it at that.

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;-)

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I thought you were going to say "I am a very happy and stable woman (not a nut job). On my husbands side of the FAMILY is another story...."

I totally believe you too. There's much more out there than meets the eyes.
Very cool and reassuring too I bet.
-phil

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You are fine, sometimes he loves us so deeply and just wants to uniquely reassure us :)

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Seek and ye shall find. This thread was created after the big blowup some months back with the whole "religion and where people could go" comment. I think it's great. I find I enjoy spending more time here than there. Sometimes I've had it with cancer talk. I do try to help people but some topics I really can't offer any advice on so I don't try to.
Glad you found the thread Donna
-p

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...I been through alot this past year, but most have had this cancer longer then me and been through much more, so I can only offer certain kinds of advice, if I been through it, but yeah, it's nice to be able to talk about other things besides cancer itself, I enjoy other conversations. I try more to encourage and support people even though I may be of little help, as long as they know we're here for them, it makes me happy.

I'm glad I found these other topics as well! Thanks alot Phil!

Hugsss!
~Donna

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I think every one of us has something to offer. It's not a longevity contest and just because someone has been at it longer doesn't necessarily make them wiser than anyone else.

I'm glad you found these topics too Donna
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It is sssooo comforting that God can step into our minds and reality to provide that healing and emotional touch when we need it most!! I'm so grateful he touched you that way!!

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What a wonderful answer!
Thank you
-phil

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It's very interesting to read all of these responses...very heady stuff...

You guys were talking about angels and dreams and such way down below...so I've got kind of an interesting story that I will never forget, so here goes:

Back in 1986, my friend and I were at basketball game (the playoffs) between the Mavericks and the Lakers at Reunion Arena in Dallas - not Dullus, Phil :)

There was a point in the game where there was a timeout and the crowd was cheering wildly, decibel level of like 105 or something, almost deafening.

Well, during that moment, I had the strangest feeling come over me...I heard the arena "go quiet" and I started thinking about my sister - like she was trying to tell me something.

The next morning, we came to find out that she had been murdered by a serial rapist - many bad things were done to her. In reflection, it seems to me like she was calling out to say goodbye...like maybe that was her last breath or something before she passed away and she was trying to tell me something....it was very surreal.

I think about that from time to time...and have many regrets that I was not in a position to help her. She was only 18 years old, 2 weeks away from her prom and graduation - she was living a couple of hours away from Dallas at that time.

So, that's my unique story.

Just wanted to tell you all that it's been very enlightening to read everyone's comments on this side of the world. Thank you very much for all that has been said.

-Craig

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Craig,

Thank you very much for sharing that strange feeling you experienced at the moment of your sister's horrific murder. At 3:21 on the afternoon of February 21, 1994, I felt an unexplained wave of grief as I sat in a movie theater. Thursday of that same week, February 24, I discovered the body of my brother at the end of an electric cord. On February 21, 1998, my father suffered a second massive stroke, prompting my call for an ambulance. His physician informed me and my mother that we should consider moving him to hospice. However, I knew in my heart that Dad would not need hospice. Shortly after 3:00 PM, on February 24, 1998, I received a call from the hospital informing me that my father had passed. I was not surprised because I knew that my brother had taken our paralyzed father "home".

Thank you again for have the courage to share your tragic story.

Love and Courage!

Rick

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i think that cancer patients are special, we have a chance to say goodbyes, we can try to cahnge things. i am doing amy love is with us all. tv and radio shows on my journey, and it is not over, i have a rare form of sinus cancer. my faith has started to return ans even though i am scared at what will happen next, the one thing i do know is whatever happens in death, we all go to the same place.

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I agree, we ARE lucky because we have a second chance of sorts.
I'm sorry you are dealing with cancer but thank you for sharing.
-phil

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This is a very interesting question, but I have to quote it straight from the Bible

Gen:2:7: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

This word became a living soul is very interesting!

Two things here Dust of the earth and the breath of God = Living Soul

Kind of like a light blub you have a blub and electricity it = Light

Remove the electricity or the blub and you don’t have light anymore, all you have is a blub.

Remove the breath of God and man dies he is no longer a living Soul but Dead or as Jesus called it Sleeping.

Jn:11:11: These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

Lazarus was in the grave for almost 3 or 4 days, now if he was in hell and Jesus called him back to this earth I am sure he would have been glad and told everyone don’t go there.

But if he was in Heaven and Jesus called him back to this earth I am sure he would have been mad or at lease very up-set to come back to this place and have to die again, and he did not say anything about being in heaven.

Interesting / Last scriptures

1Thes:4:16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Could it be that the saints of God are sleeping in the dust of the earth waiting for God to return to take his children home?

17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Please don’t anyone shoot the Massager, I would like to know what you believe and why you believe what you believe.

This is a very interesting subject and I believe that the only true answer for it is in the Bible

I don’t mind dying and I am not afraid of death if I know that the next thing I hear is my savior's voice calling for me and coming to get me.

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Thanks for your response.
Like I said (of think I said) this is a very open topic and people have different beliefs and who is to say that one is right and one is not right. There is no one on this board (that I know of) who has died and come back to "set the record straight" as they say.

While the Bible is a book that is the basis of Christianity (I think, I'm no theologian at all and I don't play one on TV either) I do not believe it is the word of God. I believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth but I do not think he was the Son of God. Just to give some background on me, I was raised Roman Catholic and spent my first 8 years in a Catholic school. All of the above was taught to me in school but as I got older none of it made sense to me at all from original sin and babies not going to heaven (which I also do not believe in as it is described in the Bible) to not being "saved" unless we accept Jesus as our Saviour. I do believe that the Bible is filled with metaphors for how people could/should lead their lives, many of them are sound - some not so sound (IMO).

I also don't see how the Bible and Jesus and believe in the Christian God is the only "answer", that would discredit EVERY other belief system that ever was and still is. Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Native American Indians and I'm sure the list goes on. According to what I have read from Joseph Campbell's writings, there are many similar beliefs that are found in most all of the major religions. They just have different names but the Virgin Birth is not just a Christian belief but is found in other religions too. I can't locate my book at the moment to cite the example but there are countless common beliefs that range from ancient Native Indian to Chinese to Christian.
How can everyone be right? Who is to say who is wrong (other than the Christian God saying His is the Only word)?

I believe very strongly in evolution. I also believe that our energy or consciousness goes somewhere. Where/what that place is, I have no idea at all. Isn't there a law in physics that states energy can neither be created or destroyed. I'm not sure if it would apply in this case but I find it hard to believe that "the show is over, lights out. Everybody go home now".

I see that you have a very strong Christian faith. That works for you and that is wonderful. Me being someone who admittedly does not know, I can't somehow dismiss every religion as wrong or declare any religion as right. I do know that the battle by humanity over which God is the true one has caused millions upon millions of deaths in His name and somehow I see that as missing the point that He would want us to take from what has been written about Him.

Thank you for answering the question Hondo, I'm glad you find peace in what you believe. I hope that you lead your life in a way that respects others right to believe what they choose to believe.
-phil

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Hondo
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Thanks for your insights, like you said there are a lot of different beliefs out there and who is to say which is right and which is wrong. I believe that all men are free and that this freedom also gives us the right to believe what we want; and that we should not be force to believe contrary by any religion or government

I too was raised in the Catholic Church and went to Catholic school up to 8th grade, and like you, had problems believing everything that was taught, not to say any of it was right or wrong.

I had to find God for myself and learned to put my fears in his hands. I too am not a theologian and found that Jesus did not call any of the so called theologians of his days; I guess because they were too set in there teachings and He could not teach them what truth really was.

I find myself as a humble fisherman, I learned from the Bible and the Bible only because I choose to put my faith in Jesus rather then the world. I believe it to be a great lost that all Christian don’t believe the same thing, many Churches all have different teaching about the same subject. But then Paul said it best in 2Thes:2:7: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: even in the days of Gods disciples satan was hard at work causing disbelieve.

In having Cancer I find that putting my faith in the hands of Jesus so relaxing, like I said I am not afraid of death because this I do know. If I am wrong and there is no Jesus after this life, then I have lived a good life on this Earth and have wronged no one.

But if I am right and there is a Jesus after this life, I can say I lived by all I knew that was truth and putting my faith in your hands, my Lord, my God, and my Savior.

Thanks so much for your reply, also I love your Guitars very nice collection, I will visit back now and then, to all have a happy and safe day.

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PhillieG
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You really wrote a great response Hondo. I agree we are all free, which is not the case all over the world sad to say. Most importantly to me is to treat others with respect and to treat them as you wish to be treated. Very simple concept but not always practiced.

Thank you for the guitar compliment. I have one or two that are not in the photo. Please visit again. I've been trying to get off topic a little but keep it in the area we all can relate to. We're all going to die at some point but just talking cancer gets boring at times.

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Many people on this board my not know this about me but I run/worked for 10 years with men and women dying of HIV/AIDS. I have held the hands of many many people who have passed most of whom I have become very close to. I had learned a lot over the years from many people who have long since passed. A man named Don told me the best fishing spot on a river in Oregon. When I go their I remember him. A man named Jack told me that when he passes he wants to fly like a bird. The morning of his passing a hawk flew just feet in front of my truck for well over a mile as I drive down a country road. I have a feeling maybe it was a sign from him? I once had a woman named June who told me that after she passes that every time I see the wind blow the leaves on a tree that it's just her saying hi. I have many stories just like the ones I have told you here. Phill >> If I go before you. Please remember me when ever you play "Amazing Grace" and when you play it remember me so I'll never really be gone.

Brooks

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