19 years old, swollen nodes, very scared, how do i know it hasnt spread?

danielvarian
danielvarian Member Posts: 40
edited August 2014 in Head and Neck Cancer #1

Hey Guys,

 

My name is Daniel, im 19 and living in a city called Cork in Ireland and currently i have 2 swollen nodes in my neck, one is near my jugular vein and another is on the back of my neck.

I have an upcoming ultrasound of these nodes next week and then depending on the findings, a biopsy.

I think it may be NPC as i cant breathe through my nose well and i was getting frequent nosebleeds.

Im scared as if it is NPC and it has spread ive heard its incurable,

 

I am very frightened and need some input to calm me down.

I thank you in advance guys.

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  • corleone
    corleone Member Posts: 312 Member
    Firstly you need to wait

    Firstly you need to wait until you have this confirmed as cancer. Could be other reasons for swollen lymph nodes. Beside biopsy, a nose scoping (endoscopy) performed by an ENT specialist can tell if you have a swollen mass in the nasopharynx, indicative of a tumor. But regardless of that, you should know that this disease is curable. There are a few long term survivors posting on this forum. Living with side effects from treatment (and treatment itself) is challenging, but doable.

    Don’t forget that it is crucial to be seen by an experienced ENT specialist and (if confirmed as cancer) by an experienced (with head and neck cancers) oncologist, at a large cancer center; NPC is very rare, especially among Caucasians, so not too many cancer centers have experience with this.

     

  • danielvarian
    danielvarian Member Posts: 40
    corleone said:

    Firstly you need to wait

    Firstly you need to wait until you have this confirmed as cancer. Could be other reasons for swollen lymph nodes. Beside biopsy, a nose scoping (endoscopy) performed by an ENT specialist can tell if you have a swollen mass in the nasopharynx, indicative of a tumor. But regardless of that, you should know that this disease is curable. There are a few long term survivors posting on this forum. Living with side effects from treatment (and treatment itself) is challenging, but doable.

    Don’t forget that it is crucial to be seen by an experienced ENT specialist and (if confirmed as cancer) by an experienced (with head and neck cancers) oncologist, at a large cancer center; NPC is very rare, especially among Caucasians, so not too many cancer centers have experience with this.

     

    I just need someone with

    I just need someone with experience of NPC to post here and maybe put some of my fears to rest.

    Would i know if i had it in my lungs?

  • longtermsurvivor
    longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,842 Member

    I just need someone with

    I just need someone with experience of NPC to post here and maybe put some of my fears to rest.

    Would i know if i had it in my lungs?

    no you would not

    know if it is in your lungs.  But daniel, I have to agree with corleone.  You don't need to go fishing for all the similarities between your symptoms and those who have NPC.  that's a guaranteed way to get freaked out because there are ALWAYS symptoms that overlap.   Nothing anyone can tell you is going to put your fears to rest, as you put it.  You just need to have an appointment and get examined.  the odds favor, by far, that you don't have NPC.  Because in Cork, when you hear hoofbeats, you don't go looking for zebras.

     

    best to you

     

    Pat

  • corleone
    corleone Member Posts: 312 Member

    I just need someone with

    I just need someone with experience of NPC to post here and maybe put some of my fears to rest.

    Would i know if i had it in my lungs?

    I am a NPC stage III survivor

    I am a NPC stage III survivor (1.5 years from last treatment). For spread to the lungs, etc. you need to do some imagistic procedure. A CT scan with contrast substance would show any abnormal growths larger than 0.5 cm (depending on the CT resolution). Other alternative is PET scan, that shows hyperactive (higher uptake of radioactive glucose) regions. This would be done prior to starting any treatment, to determine the TNM stage. 

  • cureitall66
    cureitall66 Member Posts: 913
    Try to relax...

    Daniel,

    I would encourage you to try and relax.  I know you have been beating the internet with a lot of information and trying to self diagnosis yourself, but as others have stated there are other symptoms that run with this type of issue you're having.

    I'm hopeful that you will get some more people here that can give you a little insight to their NPC treatment and that they are very much ALIVE and cured from this cancer. Maybe they can ease your fears. Take care.

    Try to relax and soon you will have answers..

    God Bless,

    `C

  • phrannie51
    phrannie51 Member Posts: 4,716
    Hi Daniel....

    I'm sorry you are scared enough that you feel the need to find us.....we're the club nobody wants to join. I'm surprised also, you have chosen NPC to be the possible culprit.....it is rare unless you live in China. 

    Everybody who has answered your post is right.  At 19, and having swollen lymph nodes in your neck....the chances are more than likely that you have an infection going on.  I can tell you that most of us who had a swollen lymph node as our only "symptom" were put on antibiotics first, just because the most likely cause is infection.  You may very well have a sinus thing happening.... How long have the nodes been swollen? 

    NPC is cureable....I'm two years out of treatment, and so far......I'm clear.  As a matter of fact, my ENT told me that most likely something other than NPC will kill me......so there you go....it is not incurable!! 

    What I want you to do until your ultra-sound is breathe deep.....relax as much as you can....and remember how rare NPC is.  Also, stay off of Google.  I could go and find 10 things that could kill me just by listing symptoms.....that's how Google is. 

  • Guzzle
    Guzzle Member Posts: 710

    Hi Daniel....

    I'm sorry you are scared enough that you feel the need to find us.....we're the club nobody wants to join. I'm surprised also, you have chosen NPC to be the possible culprit.....it is rare unless you live in China. 

    Everybody who has answered your post is right.  At 19, and having swollen lymph nodes in your neck....the chances are more than likely that you have an infection going on.  I can tell you that most of us who had a swollen lymph node as our only "symptom" were put on antibiotics first, just because the most likely cause is infection.  You may very well have a sinus thing happening.... How long have the nodes been swollen? 

    NPC is cureable....I'm two years out of treatment, and so far......I'm clear.  As a matter of fact, my ENT told me that most likely something other than NPC will kill me......so there you go....it is not incurable!! 

    What I want you to do until your ultra-sound is breathe deep.....relax as much as you can....and remember how rare NPC is.  Also, stay off of Google.  I could go and find 10 things that could kill me just by listing symptoms.....that's how Google is. 

    Over In Liverpool UK...

    Daniel, I am over in Liverpool soI know Cork city. I have to say given your age the odds are hugelyin yur favour mate. Let the Doctors handle it. I now its hard but the odds are with you.

     

    Gary

  • polystone2014
    polystone2014 Member Posts: 59
    wait the biopsy result

    I am also afraid of swollen node in my neck. I have done the CT and nasopharyngoscope, and get negative results. But my swollen node is so small that the doctor cannot take out more tissue by needle. Although th biopsy is negative, i am always afraid. I will see my ENT doc at the end of this month for considering biopsy again. For you, the first thing is to get the biopsy result and exactly know what happen. Good luck to you and God bless you. You are in my prayers.

  • danielvarian
    danielvarian Member Posts: 40
    I was just talking to my

    I was just talking to my parents and they wont pay for the ultrasound as they think nothing is wrong with me because im having no symptoms

  • corleone
    corleone Member Posts: 312 Member

    I was just talking to my

    I was just talking to my parents and they wont pay for the ultrasound as they think nothing is wrong with me because im having no symptoms

    Nasal obstruction

    Nasal obstruction (especially if doesn’t go away with decongestants) and enlarged nodes are signs and symptoms that need to be followed up.

    At least you need to be seen by an ENT specialist (if haven’t already). By scoping she/he would rule that (tumor) out, and determine the real cause of the nasal obstruction (could be nasal polyps, or an infection drained by the swollen lymph nodes). This at least, would give you reassurance; otherwise you'll keep worrying about that.

  • danielvarian
    danielvarian Member Posts: 40
    corleone said:

    Nasal obstruction

    Nasal obstruction (especially if doesn’t go away with decongestants) and enlarged nodes are signs and symptoms that need to be followed up.

    At least you need to be seen by an ENT specialist (if haven’t already). By scoping she/he would rule that (tumor) out, and determine the real cause of the nasal obstruction (could be nasal polyps, or an infection drained by the swollen lymph nodes). This at least, would give you reassurance; otherwise you'll keep worrying about that.

    I will basically have to wait

    I will basically have to wait like 6 months on the public health scheme.

  • corleone
    corleone Member Posts: 312 Member

    I will basically have to wait

    I will basically have to wait like 6 months on the public health scheme.

    Bummer!

    I don’t have knowledge of Ireland’s health system. Here in Canada, it’s similar in the sense that you have to wait months to be referred to a specialist. The exception is when the GP (or family doctor) has reason to believe it’s an emergency (cancer would fit into this) and the referral process would go quicker (around 1 month)

  • danielvarian
    danielvarian Member Posts: 40
    corleone said:

    Bummer!

    I don’t have knowledge of Ireland’s health system. Here in Canada, it’s similar in the sense that you have to wait months to be referred to a specialist. The exception is when the GP (or family doctor) has reason to believe it’s an emergency (cancer would fit into this) and the referral process would go quicker (around 1 month)

    If multiple doctors have felt

    If multiple doctors have felt my neck amd seemed not concermed at all ( i actually have a similar lump on the other side of my neck.

    Maybe a branchial cleft cyst?

  • Guzzle
    Guzzle Member Posts: 710

    If multiple doctors have felt

    If multiple doctors have felt my neck amd seemed not concermed at all ( i actually have a similar lump on the other side of my neck.

    Maybe a branchial cleft cyst?

    Greetungs from accross Irish Sea

    Daniel, in UK you would have to be seen within two weeks. But this is much more likely to be a branchial cyst than cancer given your age. If it is it is not dangeous but needs treating as does an infection or anything else. There is also your peace of mind mate. Get herself to a doctor kid. IM not a doctor bit have been through all of this personally. IM much older than you though. G.

  • danielvarian
    danielvarian Member Posts: 40
    Guzzle said:

    Greetungs from accross Irish Sea

    Daniel, in UK you would have to be seen within two weeks. But this is much more likely to be a branchial cyst than cancer given your age. If it is it is not dangeous but needs treating as does an infection or anything else. There is also your peace of mind mate. Get herself to a doctor kid. IM not a doctor bit have been through all of this personally. IM much older than you though. G.

    The ultrasound is booked for

    The ultrasound is booked for tues at 10am 

    Parents said they will think about it.

    Would an ultrasound be able to tell if its a cyst?

  • corleone
    corleone Member Posts: 312 Member

    If multiple doctors have felt

    If multiple doctors have felt my neck amd seemed not concermed at all ( i actually have a similar lump on the other side of my neck.

    Maybe a branchial cleft cyst?

    could be

    Have they (MDs) said that? The swelling is different than a lymph node, tend to be more fluctuant, but sonographic evaluation is more accurate. So you shouldn’t jump to conclusions, wait to have this confirmed one way or another, and don't borrow worry.

  • danielvarian
    danielvarian Member Posts: 40
    I thank you all for being

    whatdoes fluctuant mean?

  • Daniel, how come your GP

    Daniel, how come your GP isn't referring you for the ultrasound? I don't understand. This would be NHS, why are you having to pay? If you have cancer symptoms, your GP would refer you for an emergency head and neck cancer referral. I had my first biopsy in SIX days from my first visit to the GP. This was just normal NHS, not anything private.

     

    I don't understand why that hasn't happened.

  • danielvarian
    danielvarian Member Posts: 40
    Estelle_H said:

    Daniel, how come your GP

    Daniel, how come your GP isn't referring you for the ultrasound? I don't understand. This would be NHS, why are you having to pay? If you have cancer symptoms, your GP would refer you for an emergency head and neck cancer referral. I had my first biopsy in SIX days from my first visit to the GP. This was just normal NHS, not anything private.

     

    I don't understand why that hasn't happened.

    My GP did refer me to a

    My GP did refer me to a centre that does scans.

    Went the private route instead of public (which would take months).

    The ultrasound is 115 euro's out of my parents pockets so thats why they are apprehensive.

    The NHS is for the UK, not Ireland unfortunately.

  • My GP did refer me to a

    My GP did refer me to a centre that does scans.

    Went the private route instead of public (which would take months).

    The ultrasound is 115 euro's out of my parents pockets so thats why they are apprehensive.

    The NHS is for the UK, not Ireland unfortunately.

    The NICE Guidelines provide

    The NICE Guidelines provide for much quicker referral than months, where HNC/NPC is suspected.

    To help set your mind at rest, I had swollen lymph nodes a lot when I was your age. It was usually tonsilitis or sinusitis.