DIET Post removed !!

geotina said:

Siser Sledge:
He was not a newbie or a new poster. He has been around for six months and it was not his first post.

Tina

?!
Hey people: I think there's no point of "arguing" over what is good, or wrong, or whether casein is bad, or not. First of all, picture this:

Healthy cells divide at a certain rate to replenish the tissue they build up. Some, divide faster, such as epidermal cells (that build up your skin and you basically believe it or not, no matter how great lotion you are using, you shed your skin on a daily basis!!!) while others such as lung cells do not divide rapidly, as if you are happy and healthy lung tissue remains intact nearly throughout your whole life. You grow, your body changes, you need to adjust, it's nicely set and balanced when and which kinds of cells need to turn on their cell-cycle and replicate, and when they should stop, and be quiescent (basically a big word for "dormant").
Now, a cancer cell (any type, not just colon) is totally the same as the healthy except: it gained a mutation either in their DNA damage checking machinery, so cannot detect errors (which honestly, we make a lot...we are just not aware of it as they get "fixed"). Some gain a mutation in the cell cycle arrest, so no matter that there's a very bad mutation, they cannot "feed" the same signaling pathway as normal cells hence they keep dividing. And sometimes we can obtain multiple mutations, let's say both of the above. There are more, but I don't want to seem like I'm a "smartA". Anyway, the main point, when we drink milk, we eat meat, we eat...I don't know...tennis ball...even though it's not edible, our body has a very good system to try to metabolize stuff and break them down into small components, and see which can be utilized either as a sugar source to feed ALL cells (including healthy and cancer cells), or amino acids, or K for K channels that dictate our homeostatis...whatever...but in short, things we cannot utilize...we poop it out. (wow, who knew that, eh?) Of course, there are known carginogenic stuff such as ethidium bromide that is famous for intercalating into DNA and hence causing great deal of mutations, but remember, these are not NATURAL compounds. That's exactly why they are dangerous. And like others mentioned, when we already have a couple mutations, our body no longer gets the appropriate signaling pathways as it would otherwise. Some components of the normal signaling cascade are "out of the game" while others are constitutively active even though they should not be. From this point on, even healthy food, and stuff can be "toxic" and "bad" for you because you cannot break them down the same way as you used to. Now I'm not saying don't eat anything...I'm just saying all this because I think it is totally unnecessary to argue on if casein is good, or not, or what is bad for you, and what you should be eating. Whatever you eat, if your body is already altered (due to cancer that altered your signaling cascade) danger is always out there! And two people being diagnosed with the same type of cancer with the same stage etc. are might NOT be the same as where they gain a mutation that caused these cells to get out of control. So, X can eat a shitload of BigMac and no problem and he makes it out alive after only a year of chemo, while Y cannot eat BigMac at all, feeds himself on veggies, antioxidants, flavin, Avemar, and he goes through multiple surgeries and eventually dies within a year. Sorry, this sounds drastic but this is the case...everybody's cancer is different...and these chemo drugs that we have are targeting some that scientists have identified as one that can be responsible for cancer, and can be targeted without killing the patient during the first round of treatment! Let's not dwell on what is good, or what is bad for people to eat! We can give advices what we have tried and what seemed to work...that's totally fine! Everybody should be aware that that's no guarantee that it will work for you/me/him/her. But let's not argue stating directly that "this is bad for you" or "this is definitely good for you". Okay? Except for obvious mutagenic materials which are scientifically proven to be bad for you (Ethidium bromide).
Please take care of yourself and others! Be gentle, we are here to help each other, not to attack each other...we have cancer to attack, right?
Sophie

Buckwirth said:

Kris Carr
An inspirational story. According to Scientific American she went to Dana-Farber. Is there another place your thinking of?

There is also a TV movie Crazy Sexy Cancer available on Netflix DVD for those who want to watch it.

Kris went to many places
It took many trips to many doctors for her to even find out what was wrong with her. When she did and it was a very rare cancer with no known treatments she knew she had to do things a little differently. Dr. Oz actually spent a few days with her to see what she "did" while he was still on Oprah's show.

Lisa P.

PhillieG said:

Em
Anyone who would come here and says they know how to turn cancer off and on, whether it's by "Western Medicine" or "Alternatives" would be questioned by me the same way. It's not possible to do that with cancer. I think that the people who have been here a while can tell the difference but we get quite a lot of new people on a weekly basis it seems and it can be very misleading to say the least if misinformation is passed on as fact. People often come here very desperate.

I could have handled it a bit differently (sans-sarcasm) but people who claims to "know the truth about _______" really get to me. One can not know what can not be known.
(or something like that - ask Rummy how that goes...)

I've noticed that many people who are no longer in treatment or are past this cancer phase of their lives just move on and rarely come back to post. Maybe they don't want to be reminded of it.

Just another thought.
peace,
-phil

Some sure
But Phil, I think you would be surprised at how many don't come here anymore due to the negative energy and bickering. From both sides of the sprectrum I might add.

Lisa P.

sharpy102 said:

?!
Hey people: I think there's no point of "arguing" over what is good, or wrong, or whether casein is bad, or not. First of all, picture this:

Healthy cells divide at a certain rate to replenish the tissue they build up. Some, divide faster, such as epidermal cells (that build up your skin and you basically believe it or not, no matter how great lotion you are using, you shed your skin on a daily basis!!!) while others such as lung cells do not divide rapidly, as if you are happy and healthy lung tissue remains intact nearly throughout your whole life. You grow, your body changes, you need to adjust, it's nicely set and balanced when and which kinds of cells need to turn on their cell-cycle and replicate, and when they should stop, and be quiescent (basically a big word for "dormant").
Now, a cancer cell (any type, not just colon) is totally the same as the healthy except: it gained a mutation either in their DNA damage checking machinery, so cannot detect errors (which honestly, we make a lot...we are just not aware of it as they get "fixed"). Some gain a mutation in the cell cycle arrest, so no matter that there's a very bad mutation, they cannot "feed" the same signaling pathway as normal cells hence they keep dividing. And sometimes we can obtain multiple mutations, let's say both of the above. There are more, but I don't want to seem like I'm a "smartA". Anyway, the main point, when we drink milk, we eat meat, we eat...I don't know...tennis ball...even though it's not edible, our body has a very good system to try to metabolize stuff and break them down into small components, and see which can be utilized either as a sugar source to feed ALL cells (including healthy and cancer cells), or amino acids, or K for K channels that dictate our homeostatis...whatever...but in short, things we cannot utilize...we poop it out. (wow, who knew that, eh?) Of course, there are known carginogenic stuff such as ethidium bromide that is famous for intercalating into DNA and hence causing great deal of mutations, but remember, these are not NATURAL compounds. That's exactly why they are dangerous. And like others mentioned, when we already have a couple mutations, our body no longer gets the appropriate signaling pathways as it would otherwise. Some components of the normal signaling cascade are "out of the game" while others are constitutively active even though they should not be. From this point on, even healthy food, and stuff can be "toxic" and "bad" for you because you cannot break them down the same way as you used to. Now I'm not saying don't eat anything...I'm just saying all this because I think it is totally unnecessary to argue on if casein is good, or not, or what is bad for you, and what you should be eating. Whatever you eat, if your body is already altered (due to cancer that altered your signaling cascade) danger is always out there! And two people being diagnosed with the same type of cancer with the same stage etc. are might NOT be the same as where they gain a mutation that caused these cells to get out of control. So, X can eat a shitload of BigMac and no problem and he makes it out alive after only a year of chemo, while Y cannot eat BigMac at all, feeds himself on veggies, antioxidants, flavin, Avemar, and he goes through multiple surgeries and eventually dies within a year. Sorry, this sounds drastic but this is the case...everybody's cancer is different...and these chemo drugs that we have are targeting some that scientists have identified as one that can be responsible for cancer, and can be targeted without killing the patient during the first round of treatment! Let's not dwell on what is good, or what is bad for people to eat! We can give advices what we have tried and what seemed to work...that's totally fine! Everybody should be aware that that's no guarantee that it will work for you/me/him/her. But let's not argue stating directly that "this is bad for you" or "this is definitely good for you". Okay? Except for obvious mutagenic materials which are scientifically proven to be bad for you (Ethidium bromide).
Please take care of yourself and others! Be gentle, we are here to help each other, not to attack each other...we have cancer to attack, right?
Sophie

ummmmmm
yawn

PhillieG said:

Em
Anyone who would come here and says they know how to turn cancer off and on, whether it's by "Western Medicine" or "Alternatives" would be questioned by me the same way. It's not possible to do that with cancer. I think that the people who have been here a while can tell the difference but we get quite a lot of new people on a weekly basis it seems and it can be very misleading to say the least if misinformation is passed on as fact. People often come here very desperate.

I could have handled it a bit differently (sans-sarcasm) but people who claims to "know the truth about _______" really get to me. One can not know what can not be known.
(or something like that - ask Rummy how that goes...)

I've noticed that many people who are no longer in treatment or are past this cancer phase of their lives just move on and rarely come back to post. Maybe they don't want to be reminded of it.

Just another thought.
peace,
-phil

This is very true of me
"I've noticed that many people who are no longer in treatment or are past this cancer phase of their lives just move on and rarely come back to post. Maybe they don't want to be reminded of it."

Two years ago I was much more active in this group than I am now. At the time, I had a tumor the size of an orange removed from my ascending colon. The doctor said it was one of the largest he had ever seen, and during that period and during my chemo I frequently visited this board. I didn’t always post, but I read the messages. As time has gone by I’ve noticed that some people who were having a difficult time are no longer here, and it is hard to take. I try to return and post positive things when I can, but the longer I am cancer free the harder it is to return to the board. I know that’s selfish, but cancer is something I would like to forget about, but with my regular CT scans and with the knowledge this cancer can reoccur it’s not easy to forget about it. Anyway, my wife finally pointed out that it might be best if I tried focusing on other things and not spend so much time on this board, and so I guess I have moved on, but all of you are in my heart and I still care about you all.

PGLGreg said:

rules?
An appeal to an unspecified rule (not a law), by an unspecified person, with the reasoning for the interpretation not given, is a pretty feeble excuse for deleting a post. I think that everyone who complained about the post in question, in effect asking for the post to be deleted, should be ashamed.

--Greg

Greg
Do you honestly believe that if a person claims to know how to turn cancer off that the post should not be questioned and/or flagged?