DIET Post removed !!

Scambuster

Wow,

Someone (Joseph) posts his success story which he thinks was primarily due to diet with a mention of a clinic that will support alternative treatments and diet, and he gets attacked, abused and now run of the board. The post was intended to have people investigate the benefits diet may offer to their winning this battle.

Shame shame shame on the shallow small minded people on this board for their pathetic behavior.

The isolation of his use of 2 different survival percentages (the 5% & 20%) used as lethal ammunition on the guy. Here's a news flash sherlocks, that is what his 'Doctors' said. that's right folks, Doctor's'. More than one person was quoted. A bit hard to figure that one for some of you perhaps. I personally had 4 or 4 different 'guesses' by my DoctorS about my possible survival percentage. I won't post those numbers here in case some of you get confused.

If the post was flagged, the only one who should have flagged it was Joseph himself for the shameful abuse that was hurled at him.

While there exists a division on these boards between mainstream treatments offered, and other options, we should be tolerant of such material within reason, and limit comment to sensible responses.

Those who made these vicious attacks maybe need to broaden their scope of reading material and actually learn something about what Joseph's post was about. You might even get a nice surprise.

Scam

geotina

Scam:
The sponsor of this board, The American Cancer Society, removed his post. Get your facts straight. No one on this board removed the post. His post was deemed inappropriate and I agree 100% that it was inappropriate. He said he could CURE cancer with his protocol then directed people to a facility in Florida and Arizona.

If you don't like it take it up with the proper people and do not come on this board, The Colorectal Cancer Board, and bash our members.

We have several members who do/did alternative treatments and they are very well respected here. They do not say they can CURE cancer but offer their experiences with alternatives, supplements and the like and are very, very willing to help everyone.

Shame on you for your most inappropriate post.

Tina

John23

Gulp...cough..
Wait a min.... Let's not be too harsh with those that complained...

Joe just started off on the wrong foot, and I posted my thoughts
regarding that, prior to the thread being pulled.

(I woke up this morning, and the thread was gone!)

Joe made an outrageous claim, that he "knows what turns cancer
on, and what turns cancer off", and with that one statement alone,
a mob-scene was generated.

Cancer is a very sensitive subject once one has a diagnosis of it.
And the methods used to fight cancer seem to become somewhat
religious in nature; no-one wants to hear that they're not using the
right method. No-one wants to hear someone tell them that
"my God is better than your God", and that was essentially what
poor ol' Joe communicated.

I fell into that same hole when I first logged into this forum. I came
out strong, too strong, in favor of TCM over chemo, radiation, etc.

The fact is, anything that works for any individual to stop cancer
and lengthen life, is what should be used. We're all different, and
we all require different remedies.

Joe missed the mark of pointing that out, and ran into a big brick wall.

Personally, I do not believe diet has a whole helluva' lot to do with
it, and eliminating sugar can leave normal cells starving while cancer
eats away at all the glucose it can steal from good cells. If you try
to starve cancer, you'll starve good cells first. The phenomena
is sometimes referred to as "cancer cachexia".

We need red meat, we were designed to eat meat, poultry, fish,
veggies, fruits, and greasy Big-Macs (ok, ok, maybe not the Big-Macs),
but we can survive the storm better with a well-rounded diet, than
a diet that our body was never designed to survive on.

I use TCM and am an avocado for it; for me, my wife, and a
few hundred billion people, it works well, just as it has for nearly
four thousand years.

Is it right for everyone? Possibly, maybe not... I don't have the answer
to that, but I won't post here as I did years back, denouncing chemo
at every turn, while promoting TCM.

Each science has it's place, it's benefits, and it's limitations. Each
science is of value to someone, for one thing or another.

The Hippocratic Oath suggests that "First, do no harm", yet
physicians will use radiation where they know that it will leave
their patient severely damaged beyond repair. They are willing
to pump carcinogenic chemicals into an already weakened
body, knowing that it may leave that patient with permanent
damage that can be worse than the cancer itself.....

Chemo and radiation can be used for many cancers successfully,
but when physicians prescribe for the sake of prescribing, leaving
the patient in harm's way, I get mad....real mad.

They refuse to look at any other medical sciences, but the
patient shouldn't leave themselves so limited; life only goes by
once, try to make it last!

There are other ways to fight cancer; you are not limited!

I wish Joe said it better, but alas.... Hopefully, he'll be back.

(bring beer, Joe)

John

PhillieG

You must not have read his post Scam
If someone comes here claiming to know how to turn cancer off and on and has all of the answers, doesn't that raise a flag for you? "I know how to turn cancer on and off with the food I eat. I know what feeds it what halts it and what kills it naturally." Every other sentence began with I did this, I know that, or Follow MY protocol and I will...
Come on now, who's kidding who?

"While there exists a division on these boards between mainstream treatments offered, and other options, we should be tolerant of such material within reason, and limit comment to sensible responses."
I agree 100%. There is no one size fits all cure for cancer. What works for me may not work for you. What works for you may not work for me. If he had posted things in a manner where he doesn't come off as Mr Know-it-all-and-buy-this-stuff-I'm-directing-you-to it might have had a different ending.
But he didn't.

It has been a while since I joined this site but I'm pretty sure I had to check off that I read and understood the Terms and Conditions of this site. I have little doubt that he will be back under a new name as is so often the case...

herdizziness

Scam
He came off as a scam artist and you being mr. scambuster should have seen that. His post wouldn't have been removed if he hadn't, enough said.

herdizziness

geotina said:

Scam:
The sponsor of this board, The American Cancer Society, removed his post. Get your facts straight. No one on this board removed the post. His post was deemed inappropriate and I agree 100% that it was inappropriate. He said he could CURE cancer with his protocol then directed people to a facility in Florida and Arizona.

If you don't like it take it up with the proper people and do not come on this board, The Colorectal Cancer Board, and bash our members.

We have several members who do/did alternative treatments and they are very well respected here. They do not say they can CURE cancer but offer their experiences with alternatives, supplements and the like and are very, very willing to help everyone.

Shame on you for your most inappropriate post.

Tina

Tina
Thank you, you said it well!!!

pete43lost_at_sea

hi scam
i was interested in what joe said but not the how he said it.

so a valuable argument was lost in the manner and style of communication.

he did not intro himself, he did not comment on other posts.

in a sense that not wise, we all deserve respect and we should give it.

basically the over the top claims i just ignored.

i believe he is genuine. i'll miss his vegan recipes.

if he is a scam, he failed to sell anything to anyone. after all whats a vegan gonna sell a meat eater. a gold carrot for $1000. not much money in the vegan business, i'd say.

vegan style cancer centers are quiet common here, i had no issue with him
giving example. anyway this post has been flagged also , i just noticed.

maybe the referree can ring the bell, and we can all go to our respective corners until
the next round.

life to short to stress ... joe will cope ...

pete

Scambuster

pete43lost_at_sea said:

hi scam
i was interested in what joe said but not the how he said it.

so a valuable argument was lost in the manner and style of communication.

he did not intro himself, he did not comment on other posts.

in a sense that not wise, we all deserve respect and we should give it.

basically the over the top claims i just ignored.

i believe he is genuine. i'll miss his vegan recipes.

if he is a scam, he failed to sell anything to anyone. after all whats a vegan gonna sell a meat eater. a gold carrot for $1000. not much money in the vegan business, i'd say.

vegan style cancer centers are quiet common here, i had no issue with him
giving example. anyway this post has been flagged also , i just noticed.

maybe the referree can ring the bell, and we can all go to our respective corners until
the next round.

life to short to stress ... joe will cope ...

pete

Ok So what about ...
Dear Jospeh,

Please come back and repost your experince with less zeal and NO GUARANTEES OF CURE and maybe don't mention the clinics. People can PM you if they want to find these places.

I am curious to learn more about what possibly 'Switches cancer on or off'. I know Dr. T Colin Campbell's studies (The China Study) demonstrated the effect that Casein ingestion had on his subject lab rats where when they were fed a diet with 20% milk protein (Casein) their tumors all progressed. When they switched it back to 5%, the cancer progress stopped or reversed. This is one very strong argument for not consuming dairy produce.

It is also a bit scary to know that some of the nutritional supplements offered by cancer centres are packed with this stuff (Casein). Head and Neck Cancer sufferers (that was me) often rely 100% for months or longer on these products as we cannot eat, so when your intake is 100% Nutritional supplements with a high content of Casein, then this cannot be good.

I approached my Oncologist about it and even brough him the Book. When I confronted him, he admitted that's what they feed us and and then he mumbled, shifted nervously in his seat and then quickly changed the the subject and had to finish up and see his next 'patient' (.. I almost wrote victim!).

CASEIN (from Latin caseus, "cheese") is the name for a family of related phosphoprotein proteins (αS1, αS2, β, κ). These proteins are commonly found in mammalian milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow milk.

Should not this be brought to our attention ? This is something that is known to Switch On Cancer, and yet Cancer patients all over are being fed this stuff.

As for the 'switching off', that may refer to the diet related to Anti-Angiogenesis and that is certainly worth considering. These food have been shown to inhibit the development of new blood vessels which a tumor requires to survive and progress. Cancer cells have learned to somehow bypass this switch and can trigger Angiogenesis develop their own blood/food supply, which is a bad thing.

ANTI-ANGIOGENESIS

There is also a very good online lecture by Dr. William Li which has been posted previously. DR. WILLIAM LI on Anti-Angiogenesis


Do people want to know about these ? Are these possibilities worthy of further investigation ?

Scam

Buckwirth

Scambuster said:

Ok So what about ...
Dear Jospeh,

Please come back and repost your experince with less zeal and NO GUARANTEES OF CURE and maybe don't mention the clinics. People can PM you if they want to find these places.

I am curious to learn more about what possibly 'Switches cancer on or off'. I know Dr. T Colin Campbell's studies (The China Study) demonstrated the effect that Casein ingestion had on his subject lab rats where when they were fed a diet with 20% milk protein (Casein) their tumors all progressed. When they switched it back to 5%, the cancer progress stopped or reversed. This is one very strong argument for not consuming dairy produce.

It is also a bit scary to know that some of the nutritional supplements offered by cancer centres are packed with this stuff (Casein). Head and Neck Cancer sufferers (that was me) often rely 100% for months or longer on these products as we cannot eat, so when your intake is 100% Nutritional supplements with a high content of Casein, then this cannot be good.

I approached my Oncologist about it and even brough him the Book. When I confronted him, he admitted that's what they feed us and and then he mumbled, shifted nervously in his seat and then quickly changed the the subject and had to finish up and see his next 'patient' (.. I almost wrote victim!).

CASEIN (from Latin caseus, "cheese") is the name for a family of related phosphoprotein proteins (αS1, αS2, β, κ). These proteins are commonly found in mammalian milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow milk.

Should not this be brought to our attention ? This is something that is known to Switch On Cancer, and yet Cancer patients all over are being fed this stuff.

As for the 'switching off', that may refer to the diet related to Anti-Angiogenesis and that is certainly worth considering. These food have been shown to inhibit the development of new blood vessels which a tumor requires to survive and progress. Cancer cells have learned to somehow bypass this switch and can trigger Angiogenesis develop their own blood/food supply, which is a bad thing.

ANTI-ANGIOGENESIS

There is also a very good online lecture by Dr. William Li which has been posted previously. DR. WILLIAM LI on Anti-Angiogenesis


Do people want to know about these ? Are these possibilities worthy of further investigation ?

Scam

Thanks for the link
"Casein (from Latin caseus, "cheese") is the name for a family of related phosphoprotein proteins (αS1, αS2, β, κ). These proteins are commonly found in mammalian milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow milk"...

Proper ettiquite does call for an ellipses if you are going to cut a quoted passage short though.

"... and between 60% and 65% of the proteins in human milk.[1] Casein has a wide variety of uses, from being a major component of cheese, to use as a food additive, to a binder for safety matches.[2] As a food source, casein supplies essential amino acids as well as some carbohydrates and the inorganic elements calcium and phosphorus.[3]"

Can we take this to mean you oppose breast feeding?

Interesting that Wiki has no mention of it being a carcinogen. Maybe you could add that to the entry?

PhillieG

pete43lost_at_sea said:

hi scam
i was interested in what joe said but not the how he said it.

so a valuable argument was lost in the manner and style of communication.

he did not intro himself, he did not comment on other posts.

in a sense that not wise, we all deserve respect and we should give it.

basically the over the top claims i just ignored.

i believe he is genuine. i'll miss his vegan recipes.

if he is a scam, he failed to sell anything to anyone. after all whats a vegan gonna sell a meat eater. a gold carrot for $1000. not much money in the vegan business, i'd say.

vegan style cancer centers are quiet common here, i had no issue with him
giving example. anyway this post has been flagged also , i just noticed.

maybe the referree can ring the bell, and we can all go to our respective corners until
the next round.

life to short to stress ... joe will cope ...

pete

What about Joe?
He certainly could have presented himself better, especially since this was basically his introduction to the forum. "basically the over the top claims i just ignored." Pete, you've been around the block a few times so you know how to sort out info. Unfortunately, newbies may just start on this site and may think what this guy is pushing - the center in Florida (along with specific recipes that probably border on giving medical advice) is what they HAVE to do to CURE cancer. It's BS (and I don't mean Bean Sprouts!)

Anyone who makes claims like that is a danger to us all.
Thankfully he was flagged and sorted out (for now) and if he does return, he will be a bit wiser with how he dispenses information.

lisa42

Buckwirth said:

Thanks for the link
"Casein (from Latin caseus, "cheese") is the name for a family of related phosphoprotein proteins (αS1, αS2, β, κ). These proteins are commonly found in mammalian milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow milk"...

Proper ettiquite does call for an ellipses if you are going to cut a quoted passage short though.

"... and between 60% and 65% of the proteins in human milk.[1] Casein has a wide variety of uses, from being a major component of cheese, to use as a food additive, to a binder for safety matches.[2] As a food source, casein supplies essential amino acids as well as some carbohydrates and the inorganic elements calcium and phosphorus.[3]"

Can we take this to mean you oppose breast feeding?

Interesting that Wiki has no mention of it being a carcinogen. Maybe you could add that to the entry?

cow's milk vs. human breast milk
Re. Buckwirth's question to Scam "Can we take this to mean you oppose breast feeding?" FYI, cow's milk is sooo much different than human breast milk. Studies have shown that a huge number of people have lactose intolerance problems with cow's milk. I don't have any study before me, so I don't have any specific numbers or statistics, but I have read this from several sources. The big "Got Milk?" push has been challenged- cow's milk proves to interfere with the digestion of many people- many who are even unaware that their gas problems, runny noses, etc. are actually being caused by milk and milk products. Some people have resorted to switching to goat's milk. Rice milk and almond milk have also recently become popular substitutes.
Human breast milk was made specifically for humans and it is a rare baby who has reactions to it (except that babies do react to certain things the mother has eaten or drank, as what a mother eats/drinks definitely affects the content of her breast milk.
So the issue is cow's milk (which by the way, is often from cows fed corn and growth hormones. It is now possible to find milk in almost all the stores that states it is not from cows fed human growth hormone.

Lisa

Buckwirth

lisa42 said:

cow's milk vs. human breast milk
Re. Buckwirth's question to Scam "Can we take this to mean you oppose breast feeding?" FYI, cow's milk is sooo much different than human breast milk. Studies have shown that a huge number of people have lactose intolerance problems with cow's milk. I don't have any study before me, so I don't have any specific numbers or statistics, but I have read this from several sources. The big "Got Milk?" push has been challenged- cow's milk proves to interfere with the digestion of many people- many who are even unaware that their gas problems, runny noses, etc. are actually being caused by milk and milk products. Some people have resorted to switching to goat's milk. Rice milk and almond milk have also recently become popular substitutes.
Human breast milk was made specifically for humans and it is a rare baby who has reactions to it (except that babies do react to certain things the mother has eaten or drank, as what a mother eats/drinks definitely affects the content of her breast milk.
So the issue is cow's milk (which by the way, is often from cows fed corn and growth hormones. It is now possible to find milk in almost all the stores that states it is not from cows fed human growth hormone.

Lisa

The reference was to
Casein, an ingredient in both, and in Scam's world of Head & Neck cancer one that is often an additive in the supplements they use when treatment prevents eating.

SisterSledge

so sad
I am saddened to see once again people here acting like ****...or pit bulls...beating people up and chasing down their every word. Meanness so unbecoming from those who we expect to find kindness and understanding from. I think many are over-reacting. Please take a step back and think about how these issues could be handled in a better way.
Janine

herdizziness

SisterSledge said:

so sad
I am saddened to see once again people here acting like ****...or pit bulls...beating people up and chasing down their every word. Meanness so unbecoming from those who we expect to find kindness and understanding from. I think many are over-reacting. Please take a step back and think about how these issues could be handled in a better way.
Janine

And I'm really sad
That you think allowing someone to come on here and make impressionable claims to desperate people, someone that claims they know exactly how to turn off the cancer, shouldn't be censored and those of us that point it out you are calling ****. Thanks for the name calling, that surely was the way to "take a step back and think about how these issues could be handled in a better way"
Sincerely,
An ****(per SisterSledge),
Winter Marie

PGLGreg

What I don't understand is
What I don't understand is this idea that if you disagree with a post, you have a right to prevent other people from reading it.

--Greg

pete43lost_at_sea

Scambuster said:

Ok So what about ...
Dear Jospeh,

Please come back and repost your experince with less zeal and NO GUARANTEES OF CURE and maybe don't mention the clinics. People can PM you if they want to find these places.

I am curious to learn more about what possibly 'Switches cancer on or off'. I know Dr. T Colin Campbell's studies (The China Study) demonstrated the effect that Casein ingestion had on his subject lab rats where when they were fed a diet with 20% milk protein (Casein) their tumors all progressed. When they switched it back to 5%, the cancer progress stopped or reversed. This is one very strong argument for not consuming dairy produce.

It is also a bit scary to know that some of the nutritional supplements offered by cancer centres are packed with this stuff (Casein). Head and Neck Cancer sufferers (that was me) often rely 100% for months or longer on these products as we cannot eat, so when your intake is 100% Nutritional supplements with a high content of Casein, then this cannot be good.

I approached my Oncologist about it and even brough him the Book. When I confronted him, he admitted that's what they feed us and and then he mumbled, shifted nervously in his seat and then quickly changed the the subject and had to finish up and see his next 'patient' (.. I almost wrote victim!).

CASEIN (from Latin caseus, "cheese") is the name for a family of related phosphoprotein proteins (αS1, αS2, β, κ). These proteins are commonly found in mammalian milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow milk.

Should not this be brought to our attention ? This is something that is known to Switch On Cancer, and yet Cancer patients all over are being fed this stuff.

As for the 'switching off', that may refer to the diet related to Anti-Angiogenesis and that is certainly worth considering. These food have been shown to inhibit the development of new blood vessels which a tumor requires to survive and progress. Cancer cells have learned to somehow bypass this switch and can trigger Angiogenesis develop their own blood/food supply, which is a bad thing.

ANTI-ANGIOGENESIS

There is also a very good online lecture by Dr. William Li which has been posted previously. DR. WILLIAM LI on Anti-Angiogenesis


Do people want to know about these ? Are these possibilities worthy of further investigation ?

Scam

scam i love all your stuff
dear scam and all,

we are all here to share our knowledge and beliefs and experience.
Now joe got his beliefs across too forcefully and against the rules of csn.
His over zealous presentation was matched by the zealous response.
I am glad the post is gone because my friend's peace is my number one
guide not diet.

Maybe i should have pm'd him to tone the post down rather then just
asking a few questions. I suspected the result. What he said had some merit. Not how he said it. He is free to voice his experience his conclusions for himself but not preach.
At least not to the unconverted.

If i see this type of post again. Even though i am agreeable to its content. I would at pm him to tone it down and give him a suggestion.

So whats the point of saying stuff if its that in peoples faces they don't get the message.
To me i learnt alot from joe's post. Not about vegan but about all our sensitivities and clearly what works here and what does not.

I hope joe comes back.

Now we are all alive and we learn everyday especially about community life.
I am trying not to be sad today.

Lets just give joe and each other a break.

Enjoy your day. Have a carrot. Or a steak or burger in peace.

Or you could have nothing. That would be a fast. Just whatever you want.

Today is extra special. I look up at the sky and smile. Another friend is gone.

Look down around here through kind eyes, all around the world we have friends with crc.

Hugs.
Pete

lisa42

SisterSledge said:

so sad
I am saddened to see once again people here acting like ****...or pit bulls...beating people up and chasing down their every word. Meanness so unbecoming from those who we expect to find kindness and understanding from. I think many are over-reacting. Please take a step back and think about how these issues could be handled in a better way.
Janine

Janine/SisterSledge, WinterMarie, & Phil
Janine,

I do agree with you that some people here are just so quick to jump on anyone who has ideas that differ from their own. Now, I do also agree that Joe should not have claimed he had a cure. I think it would have been fine to just share what he did and let anyone know that he'd give out more info in a pm if they were interested in hearing more. I felt kind of sorry for him afterwards, as I believe he was genuinely trying to be helpful in sharing what he did, but his way of stating that was a bit too strong/over the top. I personally am interested in what he had to say. As soon as I read his post I knew a couple of people would jump on him immediately & I was right.
I wish people would realize that, although rules need to be adhered to and I think CSN/Greta would probably have said something, but when people jump on someone's post so harshly it creates a very compative and negative feeling on CSN. I think that scares people away far more than a post like Joe's would.
Come on people- let's be kind to others, PLEASE!!

Lisa

pete43lost_at_sea

PGLGreg said:

What I don't understand is
What I don't understand is this idea that if you disagree with a post, you have a right to prevent other people from reading it.

--Greg

i know what you mean
greg.
But then we could flag the flag. And where would it stop.
Its easier to let csn be the umpire.

I have crossed a few lines. Some posts stay some go. Thats life. Its cool

I could rewrite joes post as a story and pullout hot spots. His was a good story and its not that uncommon. I saved it offline as i knew it would go.

I just wish all these cancer surviving vegans would stay and post here. If we had 50 scouty.s or emily how much more proof would people need. The proof is not just in the books or peoples claims its in the pudding. For me its meeting real life success stories on csn or in person.

Hugs.
Pete

Where are all the vegan crc survivors ? They would be welcome here.

pete43lost_at_sea

lisa42 said:

Janine/SisterSledge, WinterMarie, & Phil
Janine,

I do agree with you that some people here are just so quick to jump on anyone who has ideas that differ from their own. Now, I do also agree that Joe should not have claimed he had a cure. I think it would have been fine to just share what he did and let anyone know that he'd give out more info in a pm if they were interested in hearing more. I felt kind of sorry for him afterwards, as I believe he was genuinely trying to be helpful in sharing what he did, but his way of stating that was a bit too strong/over the top. I personally am interested in what he had to say. As soon as I read his post I knew a couple of people would jump on him immediately & I was right.
I wish people would realize that, although rules need to be adhered to and I think CSN/Greta would probably have said something, but when people jump on someone's post so harshly it creates a very compative and negative feeling on CSN. I think that scares people away far more than a post like Joe's would.
Come on people- let's be kind to others, PLEASE!!

Lisa

well said
half way around the world and thinking similar thoughts.
Hugs.
Pete

pete43lost_at_sea

herdizziness said:

And I'm really sad
That you think allowing someone to come on here and make impressionable claims to desperate people, someone that claims they know exactly how to turn off the cancer, shouldn't be censored and those of us that point it out you are calling ****. Thanks for the name calling, that surely was the way to "take a step back and think about how these issues could be handled in a better way"
Sincerely,
An ****(per SisterSledge),
Winter Marie

whats wrong with being a sexy ****
dear winter and janine.

Call me an **** anytime. Goddammit we all got crc.

Its the one thing we all got in common. The ****. I think its incredibly funny
from my perspective.

Think about it. Its such an ironic name to label crc.

Hugs.
Pete

geotina

SisterSledge said:

so sad
I am saddened to see once again people here acting like ****...or pit bulls...beating people up and chasing down their every word. Meanness so unbecoming from those who we expect to find kindness and understanding from. I think many are over-reacting. Please take a step back and think about how these issues could be handled in a better way.
Janine

Janine:
I am shocked and saddened by your response. Did you read the original post that was pulled by CSN? Keep in mind who pulled the post, it was not the people on this board but the board administrater.

Congratulations that you can afford to go to that place in Florida, I'm sure the private cottage, jacuzzi, swimming pool, nature walks, oxygen therapy along with a raw/vegan diet will "CURE" your cancer. Will it help those who are in remission regain strength, probably, but "CURE" your cancer, I doubt it.

Guess like Winter Maire, I fall into the **** category by your standard. At least I know I am in good company.

Tina