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Emily2bhealed said:Crazy Sexy Cancer
Graci,
I didn't see the original post, but from the description it sounds like the place that Kris Carr went to for help in healing from her incurable cancer. She has the most powerful testimony and wrote a book about it called Crazy Sexy Cancer Tips. It's a wonderful read, funny and inspiring and full of good info. Check it out.
Having been on these boards for the better part of 9 1/2 years, I can venture to say that there is a consistent element that feels threatened by alternative medicine. Those of us who use it can often come across as evangelical (and obnoxious) in presentation because we are passionate about health and healing and get so despondent from the destruction (and dying) that happens with this disease and its medicines.
Those of us who weather the (fire)storms remain for the greater good. For me personally it's not the pitbulls who scare me off, it's the depth of sadness of losing too many friends on here over the years. And losing friends make some of us even more determined to point in another direction, giving hope to those who may have reached a dead end and who may want to take their journeys down an alternate route.
peace, emily
Hey, Emily.
I just want to say that you're one of the kindest people I've met on here.
*hugs*
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Thank You BlakeBuckwirth said:Flagging
Is a request for review. Nothing more, and it denies you nothing.
Threads can, and are, removed by Greta only if they violate the T&C's. In some cases they were never flagged (she can read for herself).
Really, if you have a problem with this, take it up with the administrator. No individual user can have a thread deleted on a whim (the sole exception is that the thread creator can delete it).
For clarifying something for me. I also saw Lisa mention this. If a person can remove their own thread, is it possible that "Joe" removed his own thread when he discovered it was not favorably received. Perhaps if he had phrased it differently???? He did come on rather strong. I personally felt that his mentioning a clinic in Florida and Arizona was no different than any other member who mentions where they are receiving treatment. If the methods he uses are helping to keep him healthy, I am glad for him. I wish the same health for each of you here.
Luv,
Wolfen0 -
Love itAncientTiger said:Just an observation
I'm not taking sides or anything... I'm new here and don't really feel I've earned the right, much less understand the histories or nuances of this community. But I DO know something about enforcing rules, and if someone breaks the rules of this community, then it shouldn't be surprising to see their post removed and membership revoked. It's simple... you break rules, you suffer the consequences. That's the way of the world.
As for the infighting... we ALL lead stressful lives. Many of us are fighting cancer today, many of us have FOUGHT cancer in the past, and we ALL have normal day-to-day stresses to deal with. When we're in stressful situations, emotions can run hot, and as a result sometimes we can lash out with strong words.
Please everyone... keep this in mind when dealing with each other. EACH of us has our personal opinions. And unless we violate the rules in expressing them, we EACH have a right to voice those opinions. Let's let cool heads and mutual respect rule the day, not hurtful feelings that do nothing but... hurt.
Haven't we ALL dealt with enough hurt in our lives without adding to it here?
Just some thoughts to ponder
Wonderful, AncientTiger!
*Hugs*
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Possiblewolfen said:Thank You Blake
For clarifying something for me. I also saw Lisa mention this. If a person can remove their own thread, is it possible that "Joe" removed his own thread when he discovered it was not favorably received. Perhaps if he had phrased it differently???? He did come on rather strong. I personally felt that his mentioning a clinic in Florida and Arizona was no different than any other member who mentions where they are receiving treatment. If the methods he uses are helping to keep him healthy, I am glad for him. I wish the same health for each of you here.
Luv,
Wolfen
The thought has crossed my mind.
Joe's user account is still active, so it was not egregious enough for a ban so...0 -
well said about the clinicswolfen said:Thank You Blake
For clarifying something for me. I also saw Lisa mention this. If a person can remove their own thread, is it possible that "Joe" removed his own thread when he discovered it was not favorably received. Perhaps if he had phrased it differently???? He did come on rather strong. I personally felt that his mentioning a clinic in Florida and Arizona was no different than any other member who mentions where they are receiving treatment. If the methods he uses are helping to keep him healthy, I am glad for him. I wish the same health for each of you here.
Luv,
Wolfen
a valid point.
hugs,
pete0 -
Sightootsie1 said:Love it
Wonderful, AncientTiger!
*Hugs*
Gail
We lose another valuable member to this god awful disease and what are we doing still bickering.
Just wanted to add arguing happens not just on here, I've seen it happen on the colon club, even colon town.
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Sophiesharpy102 said:?!
Hey people: I think there's no point of "arguing" over what is good, or wrong, or whether casein is bad, or not. First of all, picture this:
Healthy cells divide at a certain rate to replenish the tissue they build up. Some, divide faster, such as epidermal cells (that build up your skin and you basically believe it or not, no matter how great lotion you are using, you shed your skin on a daily basis!!!) while others such as lung cells do not divide rapidly, as if you are happy and healthy lung tissue remains intact nearly throughout your whole life. You grow, your body changes, you need to adjust, it's nicely set and balanced when and which kinds of cells need to turn on their cell-cycle and replicate, and when they should stop, and be quiescent (basically a big word for "dormant").
Now, a cancer cell (any type, not just colon) is totally the same as the healthy except: it gained a mutation either in their DNA damage checking machinery, so cannot detect errors (which honestly, we make a lot...we are just not aware of it as they get "fixed"). Some gain a mutation in the cell cycle arrest, so no matter that there's a very bad mutation, they cannot "feed" the same signaling pathway as normal cells hence they keep dividing. And sometimes we can obtain multiple mutations, let's say both of the above. There are more, but I don't want to seem like I'm a "smartA". Anyway, the main point, when we drink milk, we eat meat, we eat...I don't know...tennis ball...even though it's not edible, our body has a very good system to try to metabolize stuff and break them down into small components, and see which can be utilized either as a sugar source to feed ALL cells (including healthy and cancer cells), or amino acids, or K for K channels that dictate our homeostatis...whatever...but in short, things we cannot utilize...we poop it out.
(wow, who knew that, eh?) Of course, there are known carginogenic stuff such as ethidium bromide that is famous for intercalating into DNA and hence causing great deal of mutations, but remember, these are not NATURAL compounds. That's exactly why they are dangerous. And like others mentioned, when we already have a couple mutations, our body no longer gets the appropriate signaling pathways as it would otherwise. Some components of the normal signaling cascade are "out of the game" while others are constitutively active even though they should not be. From this point on, even healthy food, and stuff can be "toxic" and "bad" for you because you cannot break them down the same way as you used to. Now I'm not saying don't eat anything...I'm just saying all this because I think it is totally unnecessary to argue on if casein is good, or not, or what is bad for you, and what you should be eating. Whatever you eat, if your body is already altered (due to cancer that altered your signaling cascade) danger is always out there! And two people being diagnosed with the same type of cancer with the same stage etc. are might NOT be the same as where they gain a mutation that caused these cells to get out of control. So, X can eat a shitload of BigMac and no problem and he makes it out alive after only a year of chemo, while Y cannot eat BigMac at all, feeds himself on veggies, antioxidants, flavin, Avemar, and he goes through multiple surgeries and eventually dies within a year. Sorry, this sounds drastic but this is the case...everybody's cancer is different...and these chemo drugs that we have are targeting some that scientists have identified as one that can be responsible for cancer, and can be targeted without killing the patient during the first round of treatment! Let's not dwell on what is good, or what is bad for people to eat! We can give advices what we have tried and what seemed to work...that's totally fine! Everybody should be aware that that's no guarantee that it will work for you/me/him/her. But let's not argue stating directly that "this is bad for you" or "this is definitely good for you". Okay? Except for obvious mutagenic materials which are scientifically proven to be bad for you (Ethidium bromide).
Please take care of yourself and others! Be gentle, we are here to help each other, not to attack each other...we have cancer to attack, right?
Sophie
Sophies quote:
"Let's not dwell on what is good, or what is bad for people to eat! We can give advices what we have tried and what seemed to work...that's totally fine! Everybody should be aware that that's no guarantee that it will work for you/me/him/her. But let's not argue stating directly that "this is bad for you" or "this is definitely good for you". Okay? Except for obvious mutagenic materials which are scientifically proven to be bad for you (Ethidium bromide)."
Response
If we do find a particular diet or food beneficial, or have found that eliminating certain foods has caused us a benefit, then we should share that information. What you wrote about this is, well is a bit, well confounding. The band is still playing.
There is evidence, there are studies, in essence proof, that consuming certain foods may increase the risk of getting or progressing cancer (So .....Let's not talk about it ??)
As for the 'some can eat BigMacs and some can't' argument, There are truck loads of evidence about diet and the positive and negative effects or certain foods. You dismiss this as if, 'well - it doesn't always work, so don't bother'.
Lets just say for example that by eliminating Animal Protein from your diet will give you an X% better chance of survival, you eliminate free sugars, that gives you Y% increase, you eliminate cigarettes and alcohol, and they say that about a 30% increase in outcome, you increase you intake of fresh veges, fruit etc adding another few % points, and the list goes on.
Now wouldn't one think that if you can do these things that will potentially improve your situation, you should make the 'lifestyle' sacrifice, and include these things in your arsenal as part of your war against cancer ? i.e. elimination of bad, inclusion of good.
If the BigMac 'might' help kill you, then isn't it wise to eliminate that risk ?
It's all about stacking the deck in your favor. Every time you consume something that will potentiually cause you harm, you put a card on the cancer deck, and when you eliminate the risky foods and consume the healthy foods, you are putting cards on your stack.
You are right, there are no guarantees, but I think you have thrown the baby out with the bath water.
I hear the " my neighbour was a vegetarian and he died of Cancer". Hardly an argument to avoid trying a Vegetarian or Anti-Cancer diet. That is a typical argument again diet that appears on these boards.
For the many people I know who are seriously using diet as an integral part of their battle plan, I have not heard one negative complaint or effect from taking this route (except for occassional 'boredom' with food).
On the other hand, the benefits I have heard about, and experienced myself are manifold, and everyone I know who has taken this path has named benefits.
When one discovers such benefits, which may be marginal or substantial, you feel obliged to cry out the news from the balcony "Hey, this really worked (for me)".
Instead of the instant 'cut down' of such claims, maybe some questions about exactly what that individual did, diet, treatments, protocols etc would be of possible benefit to this forum.
Eliminating diet and talk of food on these forums would be like removing some critical chapters of an important book about survival.
Speaking of books, I have an interesting one for you to consider reading. PM me if you are interested and I will arrange to send it to you (intact).
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This comment has been removed by the ModeratorSonia32 said:Sigh
We lose another valuable member to this god awful disease and what are we doing still bickering.
Just wanted to add arguing happens not just on here, I've seen it happen on the colon club, even colon town.
Anyway that's all I wanted to say0 -
well said scamScambuster said:Sophie
Sophies quote:
"Let's not dwell on what is good, or what is bad for people to eat! We can give advices what we have tried and what seemed to work...that's totally fine! Everybody should be aware that that's no guarantee that it will work for you/me/him/her. But let's not argue stating directly that "this is bad for you" or "this is definitely good for you". Okay? Except for obvious mutagenic materials which are scientifically proven to be bad for you (Ethidium bromide)."
Response
If we do find a particular diet or food beneficial, or have found that eliminating certain foods has caused us a benefit, then we should share that information. What you wrote about this is, well is a bit, well confounding. The band is still playing.
There is evidence, there are studies, in essence proof, that consuming certain foods may increase the risk of getting or progressing cancer (So .....Let's not talk about it ??)
As for the 'some can eat BigMacs and some can't' argument, There are truck loads of evidence about diet and the positive and negative effects or certain foods. You dismiss this as if, 'well - it doesn't always work, so don't bother'.
Lets just say for example that by eliminating Animal Protein from your diet will give you an X% better chance of survival, you eliminate free sugars, that gives you Y% increase, you eliminate cigarettes and alcohol, and they say that about a 30% increase in outcome, you increase you intake of fresh veges, fruit etc adding another few % points, and the list goes on.
Now wouldn't one think that if you can do these things that will potentially improve your situation, you should make the 'lifestyle' sacrifice, and include these things in your arsenal as part of your war against cancer ? i.e. elimination of bad, inclusion of good.
If the BigMac 'might' help kill you, then isn't it wise to eliminate that risk ?
It's all about stacking the deck in your favor. Every time you consume something that will potentiually cause you harm, you put a card on the cancer deck, and when you eliminate the risky foods and consume the healthy foods, you are putting cards on your stack.
You are right, there are no guarantees, but I think you have thrown the baby out with the bath water.
I hear the " my neighbour was a vegetarian and he died of Cancer". Hardly an argument to avoid trying a Vegetarian or Anti-Cancer diet. That is a typical argument again diet that appears on these boards.
For the many people I know who are seriously using diet as an integral part of their battle plan, I have not heard one negative complaint or effect from taking this route (except for occassional 'boredom' with food).
On the other hand, the benefits I have heard about, and experienced myself are manifold, and everyone I know who has taken this path has named benefits.
When one discovers such benefits, which may be marginal or substantial, you feel obliged to cry out the news from the balcony "Hey, this really worked (for me)".
Instead of the instant 'cut down' of such claims, maybe some questions about exactly what that individual did, diet, treatments, protocols etc would be of possible benefit to this forum.
Eliminating diet and talk of food on these forums would be like removing some critical chapters of an important book about survival.
Speaking of books, I have an interesting one for you to consider reading. PM me if you are interested and I will arrange to send it to you (intact).
Scam
science is debate , proof, argument, experiment. on and on.
the world was flat once.
the moon was made of cheese once.
in 50 years todays chemo will be viewsed as barbaric. i hope as treatment will then be so advanced.
science is dynamic.
alot of our disagreementd here are around defending our treatment choices.
scam approach to hedging bets, is similar to mine. don't investors hedge positiond all the time in financial markets.
i read the book it was compelling....
hugs,
pete
ps had leafy green salad for dinner.0 -
LMAOplh4gail said:lol....thats funny
lol....thats funny Raquel...:)
love ya buddy
I'm with plh4gail, that was tooo funny Raquel and that we need a like button. ROFLMAO0 -
likeherdizziness said:LMAO
I'm with plh4gail, that was tooo funny Raquel and that we need a like button. ROFLMAO) 0 -
Seriously?herdizziness said:Emily
It is apparent you didn't read the post, and no, I don't think he was directing us to this wonderful utopia place, he was directing people to a Doctor that had lost his license and had a cocaine habit, that to this day you don't know if he still has the same habit, a doctor that the State of Arizona is trying to figure out how in the world they licensed him in their state.
I have never said a thing against Pete's, yours or John23's postings, to each their own and sure it doesn't hurt to look at the other side of the coin. I've gone into discussions with John23, none of which were derogatory on my part I don't believe (can you back me up here John?) I read each of your stuff with interest, someday there maybe something I want to try.
So I find it disheartening that you come on and accuse us who DID READ the post that promised to cure cancer of being a consistently scared element threatened by alternative medicine, I'm just not into cow food etc., and have NEVER said anything before about your choices. The post that was on, was a post that was inappropriate, it's a shame you didn't read it before commenting on our reaction to it.
Winter Marie
WM,
My comment was directed to Graci in sharing with her a book that was very helpful to me. Me Accusing You? No. Sorry. You can't put that in my mouth with which to stir the pot. I wasn't even engaging in a conversation with you.
I said right out that I hadn't read the post. Your sarcasm toward me is really unwarranted.
Did I even make reference to any comment you've made to me? No. So why bring that into the mix other than to pick/perpetuate a fight.
My sharing with Graci was simply passing on some info that may have been helpful to her to gather more info on the place that Joe had posted about that she seemed interested in, and perhaps shed some light on how those of us in the alternative realm can sometimes come across as obnoxious in our excitement--especially to those who feel threatened.
Normally I would just ignore such a nasty reply as yours, but reading through your posts that followed mine, I couldn't remain silent to your mean-spirited posts all the way down to the end.0 -
Here it is:Buckwirth said:Kris Carr
An inspirational story. According to Scientific American she went to Dana-Farber. Is there another place your thinking of?
There is also a TV movie Crazy Sexy Cancer available on Netflix DVD for those who want to watch it.
www.hippocratesinst.org is the place I was thinking of that she went to. She's quite charming and full of good info.0 -
Ahhh2bhealed said:Seriously?
WM,
My comment was directed to Graci in sharing with her a book that was very helpful to me. Me Accusing You? No. Sorry. You can't put that in my mouth with which to stir the pot. I wasn't even engaging in a conversation with you.
I said right out that I hadn't read the post. Your sarcasm toward me is really unwarranted.
Did I even make reference to any comment you've made to me? No. So why bring that into the mix other than to pick/perpetuate a fight.
My sharing with Graci was simply passing on some info that may have been helpful to her to gather more info on the place that Joe had posted about that she seemed interested in, and perhaps shed some light on how those of us in the alternative realm can sometimes come across as obnoxious in our excitement--especially to those who feel threatened.
Normally I would just ignore such a nasty reply as yours, but reading through your posts that followed mine, I couldn't remain silent to your mean-spirited posts all the way down to the end.
Peace back at you.0
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