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Sometimes, we are who we are. I once was a Pastor, the Church of Christ.
Organized religion was I.
There came a time, I no longer believed. I still believe in a Supreme Being, in a Great Spirit, but not in the way most "Christians" believe in.
I never lost that belief, He, It, is still there for me.
I simply no longer believed in preaching the word interpreted by others. It became "The Interpreted Word" one that I could no longer preach. My beliefs changed as my life changed.
As my beloved older brother died from an anyerisum, as my little baby brother died from AIDS, and all the prayers I prayed went unanswered, I came to doubt. That doubt remains.
Some may state that my cancer came from my doubt, that it is my punishment. I, myself do not and cannot believe this. I no longer believe in a God that is omnipresent, that is all knowing. I can only believe in a power that is beyond my comprehension and hope and pray that He or It hears.
I state this because, someone brought on board a "sermon" by a preacher, to which I replied, I didn't believe in that "crapola" anymore, but more power to those that did.
My words were listed as "OFFENSIVE" and removed.
I feel as I have been censored for my beliefs that are other then yours.
If this is how the cancer board is to be run, then I will leave upon your consensus, I did not realize we must all "BELIEVE" in each others particular ways. For that I apologize.
I thought we were all here for one thing, trying to beat cancer, to uphold one another, to be there for one another, NOT for our religion, creed, color, or sex.
Winter Marie

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I'm sorry if you were censored. I am totally against censorship. The believers among us are fearful and defensive. They cannot tolerate the free expression of opinion. Sorry. That's just the way it is.

--Greg

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A thank you to you Greg.

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but you are wrong. I am a believer and l am not fearful or defensive some others maybe the same. I dont think Winter Marie should have been censored...everyone has their own opinion pglgreg and as a Christian I am use to people with different opinions and l am sure as are people of other faiths its been going on for centuries but please dont sterotype all people of beliefs together.

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I was the person who posted it because it can help some and I have received 6 pm of thanks. I tried very hard to show some sensitivity and would gladly read any denominations posting. I did not find what you wrote offensive or say anything. As a 4 year (5 surgery and chemo) survivor, I understand the pain and stress all this can cause. My intent was to provide a sermon from a pastor who's 6 year old daughter just had a recurrence. His words of comfort were available only to those who went to the site. I did not post the transcript. Best to all on here
Chip

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Thank you Kathy!!!

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Sorry I missed the post, I must have skipped over it. We do have a spirtuality board and that is where that stuff should be posted. Believer or not, this board is about cancer. Don't feel you need to leave the board, your imput is very important to the rest of us, patients and caregivers alike.

Take care and continue to post away - Tina

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Don't pay attention stay with us! Your post and thoughts are so interesting to me.....
Best .
Pepe.

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When people are faced with death, it's normal to look for
something to hang onto. Taking away that one piece of thread
that they so dearly are clutching to, is akin to taking away their
chance at life. It's far from "crapola".

It's not just a belief in a specific religion, it's the belief in anything,
that's important to the individual that is in fear of dying.

We see that with the belief in chemotherapy, and radiation, as well!
Both are looked at as some sort of miraculous item that will be the
only thing that can save their life.

It's so easy to forget, that we each have a body that can take care
of itself under the most severe conditions, if we give it what it needs
to survive.

Instead, some fear trusting in their own self; a being that's been
put together with such magnificent care and expertise, and instead
turn to things like organized religion, chemotherapy, and all sorts
of outside costly marvels..... in a quest to find some outside solution
to what their own body could have fixed normally, with just a modest
bit of help.

We were given a gift of life, with a body that can heal itself....
In itself, a miracle; a miracle in the manner it was made, and the
expertise of the perfection....

What happened to that blind faith in our own life, and our inherent
ability to sustain it?

Why have people become so trusting in others for their survival?

But it isn't "crapola" at all..... It's what some need to cling to at
this moment in time....

......only until they realize there is something else; something
they've been given at birth..........

"Religion is what is in one's heart and soul"

It comes in all flavors; all good.

(My two centavos')

John

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Marie- It is not your beliefs or anyone elses that incite and offend people but the verbage used to express them. I did not see your post but if you indeed used that verbage then you should know it might upset someone. We usually all agree to disagree on most matters, as I have with others on occassion, but words do carry weight with them and, like a baseball bat, should be used carefully. Many people cry "CENSORSHIP" after needlessly offending some group of people when the words or actions used were specifically chosen to get a response. The word "crapola" is admitadley a silly word but none the less unnecessary to convey your "beliefs". The word "fat" to describe a heavy person will no doubt get a similar response by that group as would "***" to discuss a gay person. The list goes on and on where words are "censored" by someone else that is "responsible" for doing what we should all do ourselves. Your explanation above is unnecessary also. A simple apology for using an offending description would have ended the issue but now this will probably turn into another heated disscussion. If, as you say, we are here for one another's support then why even mention "your" beliefs and opinion on religion? Again, not necessary. We all should respect the language we use and use it respectfully. Also, don't get you feathers ruffled over a poor choice of words. Your presence and opinion here is usefull to many as are the many religious posters but please, if you are going to "apologize" for anything I think you know your insincere apology, as used above, is again unnecessary. We chose our words and actions with full knowledge of how others will react to them so I really don't believe someone that says " I don't mean to offend anyone but.....". What they are really saying is, "I don't care if I offend anyone but....". We can all politely state, even shout our opinions and write about our beliefs, respectfully. If you don't agree, simply stay out of the disscussion or if you feel the need, simply say you disagree. Used properly, your posts will live on forever in cyberspace.
Be well, Chris

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Kathy, you missed the point AGAIN. Neither you nor I are the judge of what is offensive to someone else. Whether you think it was offensive or not is irrelevant to the situation. I used Marie's own word "crapola" in my response and if that was indeed used in the context of describing organized religion then it was neither "polite" nor "to the point". That slang is used to insult or demean someone else's choice of belief and is hardly supportive in the intent of this forum. Religion is not the issue here but respect and courtesy granted others feelings and beliefs. While I am not fat I can certainly understand someone being overweight taking offense at that word. And you should agree, while I don't have blonde hair, it is easy to understand using "dumb blonde" as an adjective would be hurtfull or insulting thus common courtesy would keep most from using those words. How is it then you can't see an insulting use of language directed toward a person's belief system? This is a public forum and someone has the responsibility of monitoring what is said. It just so happens that religion is a touchy subject and should be treated accordingly.
This post titled "Christians" is directed at one specific religious group and that in itself could be offending.(saying that Christians are intolerant and embrace censorship) If Marie did not try to offend Christianity then why is this post directed at Christians only and not titled "Religion and censorship"?

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Sorry hun, wasn't trying to insult you or pick on you but it kinda came out that way. Just frustrated that "relgion" kept coming up when censorship was the issue. I just threw out something that is obviously offensive to some people just like the word "crapola" could be. I would have brought up a sports team scenario but I know how touchy THAT subject can be.....Please take care,
Chris
If you're a feminist I apologize for using Hun......

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I CERTAINLY understand your frustration Marie, I only ask that you remember that along with the few that may not appreciate your point of view their are many, many more who do. I for one share your beliefs, there is something greater then all of this out there I just think "man" and all his imperfections has gotten confused. There is to much hypocracy and this is merely my opinion based on what I have witnessed in my life, for me to claim one organized religion over another as my own. I am a very spiritual person, I am a religous person, it just that my spirituality and religous beliefs do not fall into a catagory of any one standard/accepted religion Christian or otherwise. I found a quote once, dont remember the author now but it said something to effect of: More and more people seem to be moving away from the church and closer to God. I think that kind of sums me up.
Anyway the common thread to this board is Collorectal cancer, not God, or Budah, or Allah or any of the others. we are here to support each other through difficult times. some will chose to do so through their faith and that is fine as long as their faith does not turn into persecution of those who believe differently. You are a valuable member of this board and personaly I would hate to lose your kind words and insight due to the small minority of people who through their own self rightousness can not tolerate the belief of others when it differs from their own. You have to do what is right for you, and I understand your frustration, just remember while you are making your decision whether to stay or go that you factor in the large majority of us who appreciate unconditionally what you bring to this board through your posts and who will miss you if you go.
Your friend
Chris

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Again, the point is missed. I understand you wrote your reply before reading mine but the point here is NOT what you or I believe but respecting the beliefs of others. You felt you wanted to give your personal view of religion. Unnecessary to the purpous of this disscussion forum. Marie's comment was not "censored" for her beliefs but for the disrespect it conveyed to others beliefs. That IS offensive and anyone that does not see that is blinded by their own bigotry. You can not insult someone's religion by calling it "crapola" and think it's fine by saying "MORE POWER TO YOU". Religion and beliefs have NOTHING to do with a comment being disrespectfull to others. I could easily say the same thing for bikers such as myself and you. There's nothing like hitting the open road. Add on "on a REAL bike (AKA Harley) as long as you don't have to deal with all the "rice burners" out there", and it takes on a different intent. A statement like that is unnecessary in it's intent. Would you sympothise with me if that was "censored"? You as well have gone beyond what is necessary to the conversation by stating "a small minority of people who through their own self rightousness can not tolerate the belief of others". That is an insulting statement throwing in a dig at outward religous people. You and Greg and Marie and many others on here are still missing the purpous of "religous" postings. Most religous posts are here for comfort and to help people that feel the same. They are NOT placed on here to convert you or turn you into a bible thumper. If you dissagree, so be it why do you feel compelled to tell everyone you don't believe the same. Instead, simply start your own post with your views, without referencing the other post, and let it be. There is NO cencorship on this board due to "beliefs" only due to lack of respect and in many cases, common sense.

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I do understand what you are saying. and like you said i posted before your response. I get it. Its the verbage not the message. Although posting what I posted is not "irrelavant", as you say to Marie, and that is who I was talking to. And as far as why I "felt it neccessary" to give my beliefs, maybe I was doing what the original poster was doing, providing a kindered spirit with the knowledge that she is not alone. and in showing her this, like the original poster I provided comfort to her in the same way he did by posting the sermon. If I disrespected you our any other person on here it was not my intent, and I apologize for doing so, I was trying to let her know she was not alone. In other words my "opinion" matters in regard to Marie, who I was respinding to, as much as the original post was meant only for those who would benefit from it.
hope this finds ya smilin'
Chris

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This is always a touchy subject. Not only on this board but in society. That is if one lives in a society that has a different belief system that what you (or others who post theirs) believe in. I think that is part of the reason CSN started a Spirituality, Religion, and Meditation forum. Then people who are interested in these topics can engage in discussions that are away from the medical Q&A. But even then, this site along with practically every other site has to T&C (Terms and Conditions) which is linked at the bottom of every page. That lists what CSN feel is appropriate to post and what is not. It's not about "censorship" it's also about preventing people who are not doctors from giving out medical advice, soliciting cures, general SPAM and other things they (CSN) deem to be not in the best interest of the general public which is who they are trying to serve. In other words US and we all know you can't make everyone happy.

Just to get back to religion, I have visited some religious sites that are cancer related and some that are not. They are VERY clear in what they will allow to be posted and what they will not. If you "rock the ark" so to speak, you're booted off the site. They and they alone determine what behavior is appropriate for their site. It's really that simple.

This, along with so many other topics can be beaten to death only to rise again. It's not a B&W issue. Some say spirituality, religion, prayer, good vibes all play a role in beating cancer. I personally agree that it can help. There have been times when the rules are bent to the point of snapping but we back off and it dissolves only to be brought up again and again. Some people don't care one way or the other, some are passionate about their beliefs, others are not tolerant of someone else's beliefs, and some do not feel it belongs on a site that is dedicated to cancer or at least in the area that is for x-type cancer. As passionate as we all can get about whatever we believe, it's easy to forget that not everyone shares our passion and at times it can be offensive to others.

"I thought we were all here for one thing, trying to beat cancer, to uphold one another, to be there for one another, NOT for our religion, creed, color, or sex." I couldn't agree with you more as to why we are on this site.

I have no idea what you originally posted Winter Marie. I've always found you to be a thoughtful person (and contributor to this site) and I hope you stay. I've found that it's REAL easy to get passionate and pissed off on here at times. Often a little quite time (and a glass of wine*) helps.

*I'm not giving medical advice!!!!

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I have no idea how this board is set up, but coming from a computer background, it may be that if the original message is deleted (regardless of reason) that any attached messages to that thread are deleted as well by the system, not a person.

Marie

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If you start a post, you have the ability to delete it.

What this boils down to is that the owner of the site gets to determine what they think should go on the site. If someone made a site to discuss Gardening, they may not want topics created about Auto Mechanics. It's that simple.

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Computer systems are not ethically responsible for their actions. Not yet, anyway. After all, it is people who chose the forum system, people who programmed it, people who administer and maintain it. When a posting is deleted, is it reasonable to hold the computer program responsible and absolve the people involved? I don't think so. I wanted to refer to a great comedian of our time, Dick van ****, for some reason, I can't recall why, and the reference was mangled automatically by the forum software. Isn't that dumb? I protested, but no one else seemed to care.

I really don't like censorship.

--Greg

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the animal with rings around its eyes,like a coati,get censored,like Dick van **** but not van diike....As for religion,I remain mute.....

Raccoon was once deleted on me before....

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There are many more than 7. Any word that has letters that would be in a link that has an image are not allowed either. It's a drag but it's to help prevent people from name calling in the case Dick Van ---- and the bandit animal. As far as the images, I think that they might take up server space since it would have to store the images. Of course, computers are not smart or dumb, it's just how they are programmed.

Back to deleting a post, I have no problem what so ever with deleting one I start. I feel it's my right to do so. If all responses are deleted too, well that's show biz. There have been times when I've made a comment that was part of a thread that someone else deleted but if there is something I wrote that I really want to keep, I save it.

I don't care for censorship either but this isn't censorship. This is following guidelines set up by an organization that owns and operates a website. This isn't a forum for posting whatever we want to post about whatever topic we choose to. There are things called blogs that anyone with access to a computer can create and post whatever they want. Of course, you have to follow the guidelines that the host of the blog set up.

So I guess the really only free speech we have is to stand in the town square on a soapbox and express our views. Provided we do not instigate a riot or something like that.

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censorship - "Act of changing or suppressing speech or writing that is considered subversive of the common good." (from Britannica Concise Encyclopedia)

Occasionally I see the word censorship used to refer only to governmental censorship, but it is usually used in a broader sense. It would be better, for the sake of clarity, to keep separate the question of whether deletion of posts on a public forum counts as censorship from the issues of whether it is legal, permissible, commonplace, or commendable.

--Greg

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I did not mean to say that the original "questionalble" post was being deleted by the system. Rather, I meant that once the original post is deleted (by human I assume), then it is possible that the system will delete all attached to that original post. Has to do with database construction.

Marie who loves kitties

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I understood you, Marie. But there is nothing about a database that could make it impossible to delete an original post without also deleting other posts linked to it. The person who programmed the deletion procedure is the one responsible, or his/her boss, not the computer system or the database construction.

--Greg

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Those are the culprits!
It's a lot about nothing

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What you or I believe in is not the issue.

We each do have the responsibility to treat each other with respect and dignity.

We may or may not believe it every post that is made. We don't agree with the content that is easy enough to say without being offensive, or even better ignore it and move on to another message.

I am not offended by others having a different view of this world or the next. But I would be offended if someone denigrated my view point just because it differed from theirs.

Marie

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@Marie: I did not read that post....thankfully, or not thanfully...but...I believe that censoring someone's post is only an option if one's intentionally hurts others..no matter because of not accepting someone else's religion, or their origin or whatnot. As long as people don't intentionally attack to other for having an idea/belief, or an origin you don't approve too much...no post should be removed. Like you said; I read tons of post here where people post the other one that "you are in my prayers", or as "I will ask God to help you" etc. I have no problem with that. That's what they believe in, and indeed, I admit...it must be good to feel to be believing something truly, and feeling a sense of belonging...but as you, I have lost my faith. I know, it's stupid...losing my faith because of bad things but...I guess I'm a selfish human being. And it's not really that I totally reject the Creator/God/Him/It....I just feel I really don't want to deal with this...it is as painful as the past events that sort of caused this. Maybe, one day I'll change...maybe I won't. But I don't disapprove people who truly believe, and I am totally fine with that as well. And as long as they don't insult me for not believing, and I believe, as long as I don't offend them for believing- posts should not be removed! I don't know how offensive or non-offensive your post was as I've never read it...plus, I'm not here to judge. I just very much believe that until people don't attack each other, hurt each other, insult each other for differences, then they can freely share what they feel about religion, origin, race, sex, whatever aspect is up there to "pick". Indeed, I often ask people who are in different religious group what they truly believe and stuff...I find it interesting. Sorry to hear about your incident...hopefully this will not happen again!
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This entire debacle has taken a life of it's own.....

So with a calm mind, and a glass of your favorite beverage..

This is what it's all about:

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Re:
(per Winter Marie)

"someone brought on board a "sermon" by a preacher, to which I replied,
I didn't believe in that "crapola" anymore, but more power to those that did.
My words were listed as "OFFENSIVE" and removed."

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The issue isn't what anyone believes in, or doesn't believe in.

The issue was in the verbiage: "crapola" to describe
someone else's belief.

And in that context, "crapola" is offensive.

I'm sure Winter Marie didn't intend the verbiage to be offensive,
since she was simply trying to convey her personal feeling and
beliefs, not knock other's personal beliefs.........

Typing to a forum is difficult, and no-one can do so and get the
"feelings" right every time..... "crapola" happens, and when it does,
usually a quick apology can settle the dust.

John

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Apparently I missed that whole thread. And I'm glad. I'm really kind of tired of the controversy. I'm a Christian, and you will see that I often mention I'm going to pray for someone. If they indicate they don't want that, I won't say it to them again.

Anyway, I'm here because once upon a time I was a new cancer patient, scared and worried and needing to talk to people who were in the same boat. Sometimes I still feel just as scared and worried as I did, and this group is always here for me.

I'm sometimes tempted to quit the board because of the controversy, but it always seems to blow over. Let's just all settle down and be friends. We NEED each other.

*hugs*
Gail

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Thanks Chip for acknowledging your post. I didn't find the fact that you posted a link to a sermon disrespectful. In fact I appreciate that you went out of your way to tell us what that link is so that we could choose whether or not to view it. I normally don't discuss religion or politics for the same reason that people here are feeling hurt, disrespected or misunderstood.

We all feel like we have the right to say what we think and, in public, we do for the most part (yelling fire in a theatre and the like being exceptions). Winter Marie offered up her opinion from her own personal experience. Others have suggested that we need to be sensitive to other groups and their religious, sexual, political and any other identification or belief, and I agree.

Gail by her own admission says that she is going to pray for someone and, if they indicate they don't want that, she won't say it to them again.

Have you, Gail, been censored for your actions above? I, myself, find it offensive that you, or anyone for that matter, would assume that I share the same or similar views on such a personal topic. Why not ask before you make such a self serving statement? I have only had one (1) person, one, since I have been diagnosed, ever ask me if it is ok that they pray for me. I gladly gave her permission to do so. Should I be so lucky to have all these other people who "care" about me that they don't first take the time to find out what my religious views are, if any? I don't visit the spiritual board as this is not what I am here for. Common sense is not so common, and respect for others is sometimes hard to find.

If you have any questions about what I have posted here I am happy to respond to you via PM.

Ryan

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I have been on this board for awhile and have seen this stuff/topic come and go...... I left once due to the sensitivity others have when you talk about God and prayer But I came back, because frankly, I really don't care if writing of my beliefs pisses others off. I will say what I have to say. If I am censored, I will just move on! Ooops. Life is too short to stress because someone tagged me. And... I don't care if one writes that they don't believe in prayer, whatever, just don't tip my boat over!

Everyone believe what you want and heal!

God Bless, Great vibes, awesome energy, you pick!

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cells give a sheit what we believe or say? Are we not adults who can choose what to read or not to read, what to respond to or ignore or stop reading if found to be offensive? Cancer taking lives is offensive, some of what is posted here I'd rather not comment on but that does not deprive you of your right to state your opinions, beliefs,etc. If I disagree I can say so or ignore you but no need for me to censor you.......Solely my opinion of course but what do I know?

If those trying something new, against the grain,contrary to popular belief and custom and get censored, persecuted or killed , we'd never have a cure for any disease........

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Ryan,

To be perfectly honest, I don't remember seeing you here before, and I apologize if I have not greeted you before. I see that you are a new member. I'm glad you've found a place for lots of good information and support, despite the things being thrown around at the present time.

No, I have not been censored, and I will be surprised if I am. I've tried to stay as non-controversial as I can. I'm not assuming you or anyone else here shares my exact same beliefs. I'm just stating that I'm a praying person, and I will pray for those who seem to need it here. I promise you, if I pray for you, I will not make it a public show or anything. As for putting quotes marks around people who "care" about you, that seems to imply that I don't really care. You are so wrong. I have cried over the people on this board many times, because I wish I had some magic potion that would heal us all for now and forever more.

What I don't do is quote scriptures or say anyone is doomed to you know where if they don't share my beliefs. I am very sorry if you think I'm a hypocrite or some sort of despicable person. I can't really do anything about that, although it does hurt my feelings a bit.

I'm sorry you have cancer. I'm sorry we've all been touched by the beast.

Gail

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I'll take any prayer you give dear.

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and at any time.
Chris

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Here!! Here!!

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You are very much a beloved member of this board. Your words of encouragement to someone facing procedures or surgeries or simply the unknown, your words of congratulations when a scan or doctor appointment is good, means the world to many of us.

Your posts are thoughtful, considerate and sincere and I for one appreciate them very much. Sometimes people on this board are the only ones that truly understand what the patient and caregives go through with his disease.

Take care - Tina

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Thanks to all 3 of you for the sweet comments. I really do come in here to encourage, not alienate.

*hugs*
Gail

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@Gail: I agree with you on the part that we should all be friend, religious, or not, claiming a God, or not...that's just as a difference, as someone is blond, the other one is brown, the third one is red haired. Nothing more. And maybe, (me being brown) I cannot imagine myself being blond, and don't even want to and feel I would look weird...there's no problem for the other one being blond. I feel religion belongs to the same category. I'm brown, he/she's blond. I'm not religious, he/she is. And? What about it? Nothing. If you pray for me, I don't care, that's fine. I know that's your way of wishing me the best...I cross my fingers (and toes) for people instead of praying for them. And? What about that? Nothing. That is MY way of wishing all the best to people. There's no problem about it. Everybody expresses their best wishes to the others in different ways...and as Babs211 says, she prays for people in her church and not just for people who are exclusively Catholics, but to people who need the "best wish". She puts it in prayers..that's fine! Who cares?! She has good intentions, and I'm glad she is praying for people. I'm sticking with crossing my fingers....although my fingers are becoming waaaaay to numb, so I might have to switch some other type of methods to wish my best to everybody on this board....gotta think about this...:)
So, don't leave! I also need you here...I need all of you here, one by one with your unique being, the way you are, the background you have etc. You guys are FAMILY now! Each of you! :)
Take care, and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD LUUUUUUUCK! :)
- Sophie

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tootsie1
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Thank you, Sophie.

*hugs*
Gail

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herdizziness
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First off, I wasn't in any way shape or form downing "Christians", after all, I used to be a most fervent one. it was a "Christian" thread, which is why I used the word "Christians".
As I stated, believe in your beliefs, offer me a prayer, I'll take it. My belief may not be yours, but I would never censor you over it. I give prayers, not maybe to your "God" or to your "Savior", but to mine. Does it count less? NO!! It counts the same, as I said, to each their own.
And the word "crapola" is just a word I use when I think something is well, crapola, it's not meant to offend you, it's just simply, MY THOUGHT on the subject.

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Nana b
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i think we are good on this subject; don't worry it will come back again to visit.

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