naturopath battles, take care

pete43lost_at_sea
pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
in Colorectal Cancer #1
This is my real life experience with naturopathy so far ......

Met a naturopath in a vitamin shop and had an hour long consult about 10 days ago.
she recommended about $300 of extras on top of current supplements. I was kind of convinced but also suspicious. finding a really good cancer focused naturopath was in my dreams.

So spoke with the answer to my dreams last night.

This lady has been a naturopath for 27 years.
She lectures in naturopathy at college.
I cannot get in to see her for 4 weeks but am emailing my list of supplements, medication and diet and will get her detailed feedback asap.
She is a nutricionist.
She is a bowel cancer survivor.
She works for bowel cancer australia and provides phone support.
She is well known and will take me on as a patient. Maybe good calma works faster than I thought. I helped bowel cancer australia a little and now its coming back to me.

She will see me privately as I don't want the official bowel cancer Australia approved therapies, I prefer more cutting edge. I don't want a triple blind trial supported approach. I would rather hear her state what she believes is best for me.

Well here is the shock. Get off most of the things the first naturopath recommended 10 days ago while your on folfox.

she said I have enough anti oxidants floating around from my juices and also backed up on onc about juice diarrhea link. she also reconfirmed slippery elm. But with advice to have it away from other supplements and pills and before food and take my probiotic supplement 3 times a day.

I was impressed just by this quick 15 minute chat by phone.

I am not surprised by the difference of opinions, I am glad, a little tension between complementary specialists is good. I will get the bottom of this with patience and good advice.

Today was a great day, got kids to school early, did 2 hours walking with friends, attended cancer support group for 90 minutes with great meditation and palliative care talk, then visited another friend Phil in hospital who had his rectal cancer out 9 days ago, picked up kids and took kids to the doctor, we all went to swimming lesson and I got in 18 laps and went out for diner with family friends kids birthday party at sizzler. The kids and I crashed.

A very busy productive day. I fell asleep while the kids were at the doctors. So I had a little break.

Make sure you get good advice re supplements, its better to be safe than sorry.

Take care everyone,

Pete

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  • lesvanb
    lesvanb Member Posts: 905
    #2
    Good for you for sticking with finding good complementary care
    I also pay attention to the schooling, the schools, and the experience, and outlook of my complementary team, as well as for my western medicine team. Now, most times they all agree, and with my research, which I find a good sign.

    all the best, Leslie
  • Unknown
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    lesvanb said:

    Good for you for sticking with finding good complementary care
    I also pay attention to the schooling, the schools, and the experience, and outlook of my complementary team, as well as for my western medicine team. Now, most times they all agree, and with my research, which I find a good sign.

    all the best, Leslie

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  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
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    unknown said:

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    sorry about suffer with Nurapathy, stay weak and unable to live
    hi graci,

    i do have some problems but thank god for my blessings and friends.

    my onc would rather i did not do tcm, i insisted. so the compromise is no tcm on infusion days. even my tcm onc was happy with this.

    one of my friends here has also had bad issues with oxi, i have recommended my TCM guy to them and even given her my big $100 tcm book read. but she is not doing tcm which is completely her call and i would not dream of pressuring her about it again.

    I have pretty serious diarrhea issues most cycles which I take seriously because all the nutrients i try to eat and drink by food, juices or supplements just get washed up into the bag and not my body. i have take so much coiedene and gastrow stop to manage this. and i hate taking all this extra medication but i know i have to hit the diarrhea immediately and effectively or else i will end up back in ER or worse. my chemo dose was going to be lowered if my diarrhea could not be managed. i am getting worse pins and needles and numbness in my feet, its just started after the 7th oxi cycle. it does worry me a little.

    alot of my complimentary therapies are more to do with personal belief with rock solid science. i read the science and evidence but am often more convinced by the practicianer and personal referals for people i trust.

    my key point was that first naturopath recommended supplements not good for oxaliplatin and folfox according to the second naturopath.

    i have more confidence in the second naturopath, as i know her background, where she is employed and her experience. and she is not affiliated with a vitamin shop.

    i am still committed to my tcm and have my teas.

    all my supplements i picked up, a bit here, a bit there. i have been looking for someone to give guidance about my specific needs and symptoms. now i have found her.

    the advice includes the best times of day to take supplements before or after meals, morning lunch or dinner time.

    i see some overlap between and potential conflict between tcm and naturopath and i will ask them to work together. at this point i will give tcm priority unless can be convinced otherwise.

    my tcm does not know about vitamin d3 and what capsules to take. i am still on 5000 ui daily 3 in the morning and 2 at night.

    Your FDA and Insurance are similar to mine. none of the tcm or supplements are covered.
    My doctors are as conservative as yours, sometimes you guys get the trials first.

    I would probably have the same faith in tcm and vitamin for my long term well being and juicing.

    I just like to share my journey, if it helps anyone then great.

    cheers,

    Pete
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member
    #5
    pete43lost_at_sea said:

    sorry about suffer with Nurapathy, stay weak and unable to live
    hi graci,

    i do have some problems but thank god for my blessings and friends.

    my onc would rather i did not do tcm, i insisted. so the compromise is no tcm on infusion days. even my tcm onc was happy with this.

    one of my friends here has also had bad issues with oxi, i have recommended my TCM guy to them and even given her my big $100 tcm book read. but she is not doing tcm which is completely her call and i would not dream of pressuring her about it again.

    I have pretty serious diarrhea issues most cycles which I take seriously because all the nutrients i try to eat and drink by food, juices or supplements just get washed up into the bag and not my body. i have take so much coiedene and gastrow stop to manage this. and i hate taking all this extra medication but i know i have to hit the diarrhea immediately and effectively or else i will end up back in ER or worse. my chemo dose was going to be lowered if my diarrhea could not be managed. i am getting worse pins and needles and numbness in my feet, its just started after the 7th oxi cycle. it does worry me a little.

    alot of my complimentary therapies are more to do with personal belief with rock solid science. i read the science and evidence but am often more convinced by the practicianer and personal referals for people i trust.

    my key point was that first naturopath recommended supplements not good for oxaliplatin and folfox according to the second naturopath.

    i have more confidence in the second naturopath, as i know her background, where she is employed and her experience. and she is not affiliated with a vitamin shop.

    i am still committed to my tcm and have my teas.

    all my supplements i picked up, a bit here, a bit there. i have been looking for someone to give guidance about my specific needs and symptoms. now i have found her.

    the advice includes the best times of day to take supplements before or after meals, morning lunch or dinner time.

    i see some overlap between and potential conflict between tcm and naturopath and i will ask them to work together. at this point i will give tcm priority unless can be convinced otherwise.

    my tcm does not know about vitamin d3 and what capsules to take. i am still on 5000 ui daily 3 in the morning and 2 at night.

    Your FDA and Insurance are similar to mine. none of the tcm or supplements are covered.
    My doctors are as conservative as yours, sometimes you guys get the trials first.

    I would probably have the same faith in tcm and vitamin for my long term well being and juicing.

    I just like to share my journey, if it helps anyone then great.

    cheers,

    Pete

    Hi
    Pete

    If you could share what supplements you are on, the doses and time you take them, i would appreciate it. I would like to compare them to mine

    Thanks!!
  • lmliess
    lmliess Member Posts: 329
    #6
    Nana b said:

    Hi
    Pete

    If you could share what supplements you are on, the doses and time you take them, i would appreciate it. I would like to compare them to mine

    Thanks!!

    Please share
    Just for comparison. I would love to see what you are taking also!
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    #7
    Nana b said:

    Hi
    Pete

    If you could share what supplements you are on, the doses and time you take them, i would appreciate it. I would like to compare them to mine

    Thanks!!

    supplements list
    the list

    DAILY SUPPLEMENTS Dosage Total

    BONVIT Slippery elm Bark Powder ulmus rubra 1-2 TEASPOON MORNING
    Have this with water first thing 30 min before other food and supplements

    Blackmores heart health natural E 1000 IU MORNING
    vitamin E d-alpha-tocopherol 670mg

    Nutralife Vitamin D3 1000 IU plus boron and selenium 5 TABLETS 3MORNING 2NIGHT
    cholecalciferol 25 x5= 125 ug
    selenium 50 x5= 250 ug
    boron as borax 1 x5= 5 mg
    vitamin E 50 IU 33.6 x5= 168 mg

    Nutralife Milk thistle 17000 plus NOT ON CHEMO DAYS 1 TABLET MORNING
    Silybum marianum (Milk Thistle) Fruit 17g
    Equiv. Silybin 194mg
    Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry
    Cynara scolymus (GLOBE ARTICHOKE) Leaf 600mg
    Taraxacum offi cinale (DANDELION) Root 200mg
    Arctium lappa (BURDOCK) Root 200mg
    Schizandra chinensis (SCHIZANDRA) Fruit 200mg
    Co Factor; Taurine 200mg

    Cabot Health Magnesium Ultra Potent Powder the great relaxer 1 TEASPOON MORNING
    Magnesium orotate Equiv 13 mg elemental magnesium 200mg
    Magnesium aspartate Equiv 13.4 mg elemental magnesium 200mg
    Magnesium amino acid chelate Equiv 30 mg elemental magnesium 150mg
    Magnesium phosphate Equiv 16.5 mg elemental magnesium 80mg
    Total elemental magnesium per tablet 73mg

    Nutralife Active Men's Multi with selenium, antioxidants and without iron 1 TABLET MORNING
    Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1)50mg
    Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)25mg
    Nicotinamide 50mg
    Calcium Pantothenate98mg
    Providing Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) 90mg
    Pyridoxine Hydrochloride Equiv 25mg
    Pyridoxine(Vitmain B6)20.6mg
    Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12)50ug
    Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3 300 IU)7.5ug
    Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)200mg
    d-alpha Tocopheryl Acid Succinate
    (Vitamin E 50 IU)41.3mg
    Betacarotene3mg
    Biotin 30ug
    Choline Bitartrate 50mg
    Inositol 50mg
    Folic Acid 100ug
    Citrus Bioflavonoids extract30mg
    Rutin 10mg
    Hesperidin 10mg
    Cysteine Hydrochloride 30mg
    Minerals
    Selenium (as Selemethionine) 26ug
    Potassium (as Potassium Citrate)30mg
    Potassiun (as Potassium Iodide)23ug
    Iodine (as Potassium Iodide)75ug
    Chromium (as Chromic Chloride)60ug
    Magnesium (as Magnesium Oxide)57mg
    Zinc (as Zinc Gluconate)10mg
    Manganese (as Manganese Amino Acid Chelate)2mg
    Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry Turnera diffusa (Damiana) Leaf 200mg
    Panax ginseng (Korean Ginseng) Root 50mg
    Eleutherococcus senticosus (Siberian Ginseng) Root & Rhizome 50mg
    Avena sativa (Oats) Herb 50mg
    Cucurbita pepo (Pumpkin Seed) Seed 25mg
    Epilobium parviflorum (Small Leafed Willow) Herb 50mg
    Serenoa serrulata (Saw Palmetto) Fruit 100mg

    Nutralife Super Calcium Complete Gold 1 TABLET NIGHT
    Calcium citrate 237.2mg
    Providing Calcium 50mg
    Hydroxyapatite 896mg
    Providing Calcium 224mg
    Total Elemental Calcium 274mg
    Magnesium oxide 233.2mg
    Providing Magnesium 135mg
    Zinc Sulfate 2.49mg
    Providing Zinc 325µg
    Manganese Amino Acid Chelate 10mg
    Providing Manganese 1mg
    Borax 4.41mg
    Providing Boron 500µg
    (Horsetail) Herb ext. equiv. dry 50mg
    Cholecalciferol 6.2µg
    Equiv. Vitamin D3 250IU
    Phytomenadione (Vitamin K1) 5µg

    Life Stream bioactive Spirulina 4 1 TEASPOON drinks per week

    Inner Health Powder probioplex 3 x daily 1 TEASPOON water

    STOPPED(ON HOLD TILL CHEMO FINISHED) TAKING PER SECOND NATROPATH
    cellfood drops
    fusion health astra 8 immune tonic
    fusion health revit 8 antioxidant
    Natures goodness Red Grape Antioxidants with resveratrol

    Exercise 1 hour walk or 1 km swim or equivalent daily
    Meditation 15 minutes once or twice daily
    Medication Chemo FOLFOX6 done 7 of 12 fortnightly Tuesday all day pump off Thursday then break 11 days
    Diarrhea 2 x gastrow stop and 2 x panadiene forte ( AS NEEDED MAX 4 times daily )
    Juicing breakfast and dinner carrot, celery, beetroot ( green seasonal, ginger and or garlic )
    FOOD ( no butter, no fried foods, no sugar, no alcohol, one coffee per week )
    BREAKFAST
    FLAKSEED OIL, LOW FAT COTTAGE CHEEESE, BLUEBERRY MIX 4 times week
    Cereal weetbix and milk, or pancakes once a week
    poached eggs, tomato, mushrooms, grilled chicken, toast
    LUNCH
    grilled fish, chicken, seafood and veg or salad
    yumcha steamed only
    DINNER
    grilled fish, chicken, seafood and veg or salad
    vegetable, chicken soup
    beef dish once per week
    icecream 4 times per week

    BLOOD COUNTS NOW EXCELLENT VITAMIN D 99nmol/L and rising
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    #8
    pete43lost_at_sea said:

    supplements list
    the list

    DAILY SUPPLEMENTS Dosage Total

    BONVIT Slippery elm Bark Powder ulmus rubra 1-2 TEASPOON MORNING
    Have this with water first thing 30 min before other food and supplements

    Blackmores heart health natural E 1000 IU MORNING
    vitamin E d-alpha-tocopherol 670mg

    Nutralife Vitamin D3 1000 IU plus boron and selenium 5 TABLETS 3MORNING 2NIGHT
    cholecalciferol 25 x5= 125 ug
    selenium 50 x5= 250 ug
    boron as borax 1 x5= 5 mg
    vitamin E 50 IU 33.6 x5= 168 mg

    Nutralife Milk thistle 17000 plus NOT ON CHEMO DAYS 1 TABLET MORNING
    Silybum marianum (Milk Thistle) Fruit 17g
    Equiv. Silybin 194mg
    Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry
    Cynara scolymus (GLOBE ARTICHOKE) Leaf 600mg
    Taraxacum offi cinale (DANDELION) Root 200mg
    Arctium lappa (BURDOCK) Root 200mg
    Schizandra chinensis (SCHIZANDRA) Fruit 200mg
    Co Factor; Taurine 200mg

    Cabot Health Magnesium Ultra Potent Powder the great relaxer 1 TEASPOON MORNING
    Magnesium orotate Equiv 13 mg elemental magnesium 200mg
    Magnesium aspartate Equiv 13.4 mg elemental magnesium 200mg
    Magnesium amino acid chelate Equiv 30 mg elemental magnesium 150mg
    Magnesium phosphate Equiv 16.5 mg elemental magnesium 80mg
    Total elemental magnesium per tablet 73mg

    Nutralife Active Men's Multi with selenium, antioxidants and without iron 1 TABLET MORNING
    Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1)50mg
    Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)25mg
    Nicotinamide 50mg
    Calcium Pantothenate98mg
    Providing Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) 90mg
    Pyridoxine Hydrochloride Equiv 25mg
    Pyridoxine(Vitmain B6)20.6mg
    Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12)50ug
    Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3 300 IU)7.5ug
    Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)200mg
    d-alpha Tocopheryl Acid Succinate
    (Vitamin E 50 IU)41.3mg
    Betacarotene3mg
    Biotin 30ug
    Choline Bitartrate 50mg
    Inositol 50mg
    Folic Acid 100ug
    Citrus Bioflavonoids extract30mg
    Rutin 10mg
    Hesperidin 10mg
    Cysteine Hydrochloride 30mg
    Minerals
    Selenium (as Selemethionine) 26ug
    Potassium (as Potassium Citrate)30mg
    Potassiun (as Potassium Iodide)23ug
    Iodine (as Potassium Iodide)75ug
    Chromium (as Chromic Chloride)60ug
    Magnesium (as Magnesium Oxide)57mg
    Zinc (as Zinc Gluconate)10mg
    Manganese (as Manganese Amino Acid Chelate)2mg
    Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry Turnera diffusa (Damiana) Leaf 200mg
    Panax ginseng (Korean Ginseng) Root 50mg
    Eleutherococcus senticosus (Siberian Ginseng) Root & Rhizome 50mg
    Avena sativa (Oats) Herb 50mg
    Cucurbita pepo (Pumpkin Seed) Seed 25mg
    Epilobium parviflorum (Small Leafed Willow) Herb 50mg
    Serenoa serrulata (Saw Palmetto) Fruit 100mg

    Nutralife Super Calcium Complete Gold 1 TABLET NIGHT
    Calcium citrate 237.2mg
    Providing Calcium 50mg
    Hydroxyapatite 896mg
    Providing Calcium 224mg
    Total Elemental Calcium 274mg
    Magnesium oxide 233.2mg
    Providing Magnesium 135mg
    Zinc Sulfate 2.49mg
    Providing Zinc 325µg
    Manganese Amino Acid Chelate 10mg
    Providing Manganese 1mg
    Borax 4.41mg
    Providing Boron 500µg
    (Horsetail) Herb ext. equiv. dry 50mg
    Cholecalciferol 6.2µg
    Equiv. Vitamin D3 250IU
    Phytomenadione (Vitamin K1) 5µg

    Life Stream bioactive Spirulina 4 1 TEASPOON drinks per week

    Inner Health Powder probioplex 3 x daily 1 TEASPOON water

    STOPPED(ON HOLD TILL CHEMO FINISHED) TAKING PER SECOND NATROPATH
    cellfood drops
    fusion health astra 8 immune tonic
    fusion health revit 8 antioxidant
    Natures goodness Red Grape Antioxidants with resveratrol

    Exercise 1 hour walk or 1 km swim or equivalent daily
    Meditation 15 minutes once or twice daily
    Medication Chemo FOLFOX6 done 7 of 12 fortnightly Tuesday all day pump off Thursday then break 11 days
    Diarrhea 2 x gastrow stop and 2 x panadiene forte ( AS NEEDED MAX 4 times daily )
    Juicing breakfast and dinner carrot, celery, beetroot ( green seasonal, ginger and or garlic )
    FOOD ( no butter, no fried foods, no sugar, no alcohol, one coffee per week )
    BREAKFAST
    FLAKSEED OIL, LOW FAT COTTAGE CHEEESE, BLUEBERRY MIX 4 times week
    Cereal weetbix and milk, or pancakes once a week
    poached eggs, tomato, mushrooms, grilled chicken, toast
    LUNCH
    grilled fish, chicken, seafood and veg or salad
    yumcha steamed only
    DINNER
    grilled fish, chicken, seafood and veg or salad
    vegetable, chicken soup
    beef dish once per week
    icecream 4 times per week

    BLOOD COUNTS NOW EXCELLENT VITAMIN D 99nmol/L and rising

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  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    #9
    unknown said:

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    minerals in multivitamin
    in this list the main tablet or powder is listed then all the active ingredients

    all the ingredients I got off the net by searching for the pill label description
    and cutting and pasting. all the minerals are in the

    my onc said a standard multivitamin is fine right at the beginning.
    now she never modified that advice when I started folfox.

    Pete ( feeling great now unblockaged )
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member
    #10
    pete43lost_at_sea said:

    minerals in multivitamin
    in this list the main tablet or powder is listed then all the active ingredients

    all the ingredients I got off the net by searching for the pill label description
    and cutting and pasting. all the minerals are in the

    my onc said a standard multivitamin is fine right at the beginning.
    now she never modified that advice when I started folfox.

    Pete ( feeling great now unblockaged )

    Pete
    Hi Pete,

    It is interesting how different naturopaths recommend different supplements and different advice, isn't it? But I guess that's to be expected, since regular oncologists also differ in their advice too.
    You are on a lot of supplements! I was taking many supplements before just on my own, which is another reason why I finally sought out a naturopath for advice on it all. Currently, today is day 6 of my 8 day cleanse, under the advice of the naturopath. He wanted me to get everything out of my system first and then test for allergies and sensitivities before recommending any supplements. I will see him next week on Wednesday, a week from today. It will be interesting to see what he recommends. I've heard from some people who have asked why I'm doing a cleanse while I'm on chemo and why I don't wait with the supplements until "after chemo". I guess that would be best for most people, but my situation right now is that I'm not expected to have an "after chemo"- I'm on the lifelong chemo plan, as the nasty stuff just isn't going away. So, for me to follow that advice would mean I'd never get to do it! So my naturopath said it could actually help my chemo work better by flushing all the other crud out of my system, even allowing my liver to do a better job afterwards by flushing it now. I sure hope he's right and that I haven't compromised the chemo but, hey, like I said- it hasn't gotten rid of the cancer (but has been holding it back), so my thoughts are why not try something else. The natural approach seems to make so much sense to me. I love the idea naturopaths have of trying to get to the root of the problem compared to just reacting to the problem. I'm working with him not only for my cancer, but whole body, which for me also includes lots of allergies (severe congestion and breathing problems on a daily basis for many years now & also digestion problems). If I can even just get help with being able to breathe better and not having digestive problems, I'd be thrilled!

    I'll check in with you again after my next appt and compare notes more then.

    Best wishes to you,
    Lisa
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    #11
    lisa42 said:

    Pete
    Hi Pete,

    It is interesting how different naturopaths recommend different supplements and different advice, isn't it? But I guess that's to be expected, since regular oncologists also differ in their advice too.
    You are on a lot of supplements! I was taking many supplements before just on my own, which is another reason why I finally sought out a naturopath for advice on it all. Currently, today is day 6 of my 8 day cleanse, under the advice of the naturopath. He wanted me to get everything out of my system first and then test for allergies and sensitivities before recommending any supplements. I will see him next week on Wednesday, a week from today. It will be interesting to see what he recommends. I've heard from some people who have asked why I'm doing a cleanse while I'm on chemo and why I don't wait with the supplements until "after chemo". I guess that would be best for most people, but my situation right now is that I'm not expected to have an "after chemo"- I'm on the lifelong chemo plan, as the nasty stuff just isn't going away. So, for me to follow that advice would mean I'd never get to do it! So my naturopath said it could actually help my chemo work better by flushing all the other crud out of my system, even allowing my liver to do a better job afterwards by flushing it now. I sure hope he's right and that I haven't compromised the chemo but, hey, like I said- it hasn't gotten rid of the cancer (but has been holding it back), so my thoughts are why not try something else. The natural approach seems to make so much sense to me. I love the idea naturopaths have of trying to get to the root of the problem compared to just reacting to the problem. I'm working with him not only for my cancer, but whole body, which for me also includes lots of allergies (severe congestion and breathing problems on a daily basis for many years now & also digestion problems). If I can even just get help with being able to breathe better and not having digestive problems, I'd be thrilled!

    I'll check in with you again after my next appt and compare notes more then.

    Best wishes to you,
    Lisa

    thanks lisa
    hi lisa,
    I do so hope your naturopath can do some magic for you. thats my prayer anyway. I was just really pissed that I got two very divegent opinions from the naturopath basically forcing me to play the pick the favourite game. which I hate, but will do ruthlessly if required.

    I like the idea of your cleanse and tests and I hope my naturopath suggests it as well, I will ask if she does not.

    Funny the first day I found out about my cancer I got my multivitamin going and have then added to it along the way. they were in place before chemo, so my onc seemed to accept them ok.

    Lets compare notes. Its just a hunch but I believe you will be thrilled by better health.
    best wishes to you as well,
    Pete
  • Nana2
    Nana2 Member Posts: 255
    #12
    pete43lost_at_sea said:

    thanks lisa
    hi lisa,
    I do so hope your naturopath can do some magic for you. thats my prayer anyway. I was just really pissed that I got two very divegent opinions from the naturopath basically forcing me to play the pick the favourite game. which I hate, but will do ruthlessly if required.

    I like the idea of your cleanse and tests and I hope my naturopath suggests it as well, I will ask if she does not.

    Funny the first day I found out about my cancer I got my multivitamin going and have then added to it along the way. they were in place before chemo, so my onc seemed to accept them ok.

    Lets compare notes. Its just a hunch but I believe you will be thrilled by better health.
    best wishes to you as well,
    Pete

    I am looking in to taking
    I am looking in to taking Jim to Cancer Treatment Centers of America because they have naturapaths on staff as well as nutritionists etc.. so they work with the oncologists and surgeons. I am just gettting the info on it now and looking for advise. Marie said to check the fine print on what insurance does and does not pay for. But I think I'd rather be where a natuapath and oncologist are actually working together on what he should or should not take. I don't have a clue. It actually overwhelms me. I'll let you know what I find out.
    April
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    #13
    Nana2 said:

    I am looking in to taking
    I am looking in to taking Jim to Cancer Treatment Centers of America because they have naturapaths on staff as well as nutritionists etc.. so they work with the oncologists and surgeons. I am just gettting the info on it now and looking for advise. Marie said to check the fine print on what insurance does and does not pay for. But I think I'd rather be where a natuapath and oncologist are actually working together on what he should or should not take. I don't have a clue. It actually overwhelms me. I'll let you know what I find out.
    April

    "It actually overwhelms" me as well!!!
    hi april,

    to be honest me too.

    i would rather be a dad than a pharmactist, a biochemist, a naturopath or an onc but i can only have faith in my practicioner when i have done due diligence. that's often reading, posting here and 2nd and 3rd opinions. everyday i learn and see how our cancer treatment and survival could be improved, its good for me but i feel saddened that so many everywhere get less than they should have. all our systems have so much room for improvement.

    i would love to know whats advised. i am going to start pushing my hospital system
    re naturopaths working with onc and about what is really world best practice for cancer centers.

    thats what i love about the international scope of this board.

    goodluck with jim. could you ask them about the vitamin d3 and reoccurence prevention.
    this has to be the biggest single prevention thing i have read about. would be interested in cancer treatment centers of america's opinion.

    i will post when or i have some good naturopath news.

    all best very,

    pete

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