Dr. Gerson

Clearblue said:

what's your opinion

William

We met briefly i think on this site. Im on the head and neck posts mainly, but have posted here too, though without much response. Ill leave my needs for another time.I know i will need you , so i hope to recontact again.

Anyway, i wonder what your take is on the "China Study". A survivor (head and neck)and avid researcher who goes by the name of SCAMBUSTER has many posts on the nutrician aspect of building immune system etc. I have posted below a very early excerpt of one of his posts.

Clearblue

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I was going to wait till I completed reading this book but I am already quite astonished with what I have read so far and have been prompted by some to post the subject.
I recently downloaded and watched a movie/doco called 'Healing Cancer from the inside' I found on a site about 'Green Smoothies'. A Dr. Colin CAMPBELL featured throughout the doco talking about diet, nutrition, cancer and his research. I was intrigued by his claims and went off and quickly found his book. It is based on the largest ever research event involving humans of this kind ever in history. Some of you may have already read it or heard about it.
The teaser that got him interested more in the Cancer side was when he met an Indian researcher who had found remarkable differences in the outcome in his animal experiments where they induced cancer using Aflotoxin. One group were given a diet of 20% Animal Protein (AP) while the other group were given just 5% AP. The result were: 100% of Group A developed the tumors and died. Group B, 100% recovered and lived.
Dr. Campbell is a very esteemed researcher with an impressive resume and was part of the Pro protein lobby and on US Government panels on nutrition and was to lead nutrition programs in developing countries where they were to introduce higher protein diet programs to help the 'natives'. They were even trying to develop higher protein crops (Corn & Peanuts).This chance meeting with the Indian scientist threw a spanner in his works as it went against conventional wisdom and all the beliefs he had grown up with and was working on to 'save the world'- along with all the esteemed other leading doctors and researchers of the time.
In brief, Dr. CAMPBELL went off and ran his own research to verify the results himself (What would the Indians know ?). He found the results were..100% the same and he even varied the research to come up with a bunch of other results to further back the discovery that the Animal Protein did actually cause the initiation and progress of cancer.
A point of note, the Milk protein they used is called Casein. I don't want to cause a stampede but that Ensure most of you are using is full of of Milk protein.
Dr. CAMPBELL went on to conduct a massive study of Chinese populations to find out the relationships of diet and nutrition. The findings are clear and indisputable for me.
His book is immaculately referenced and most of the content is from his own findings over nearly 40 years of research. He is not selling a fad diet. The issue is 'does diet and nutrition affect whether we get cancer or not?'. The answer is yes. While percentages of risk and increased risk vary for differnent types of cancer, gender and age, the basic fact remains that as we increase the amount of Animal Proteins we eat, we increase the chances of getting some type of cancer. The relationship is linear and consistent. This is also the same for other major 'western' killer disease namely heart disease, cardio-vascular disease, and diabetes.
In most cases, it appeared that diet over-rides environmental factors. The fastest example I can think of is that earlier in the Century, Japanese men were (and still are) the heaviest smokers on the planet, yet their incidence of lung cancer was very low. That was until they started consuming meat in greater quantities(Due to affluence, better farming techniques etc). When you can find people doing the same thing one one level (Smoking) and then they change somethig else (Eating more meat), you can draw clear data.
The China study went much much further and found populations with high levels of cancer and then other wiht low levels of cancer and they then studied their diets and other factors (enviromental) and also used blood analysis to further the depth of the study.
While there are many views on diet and nutrition, and I have tried for a long while to figure it all out and I settled in a middle of the road of 'everything in moderation' for quite a while, which is really a lazy or a nervous 'in the middle' approach. I now see things a little differently, mainly because I had Cancer. I know my immune system was compromised even though I was reasonably healthy and ate well, exercised. I have struggled for many years with chronic fatigue and acid reflux issues - all of which my Naturopath brother would try to explain were related to my immune system and digestion. Most could be fixed with diet and certain variations of diet to promote healing of the conditions I had.
Well the light has come on now. While I may try in desperation to shine this same light on many of you, I also have to be realistic and accept many will not follow this path. I do get distressed when I hear of the amount of people who have gone through this horrid treatment we have all been through, only to go back to their old ways, gulping down junk food, bacon, processed everything, start smoking again or slam back into the booze...
Just because the rads and chemo knocked it out for now, doesn't mean we are resistant to a relapse. We are all at higher risk now and hopefully should pay attention and start to right the wrongs we were doing in the first place. They measure our survival as a '5 year rate'. All other diseases are considered 'cured or not'. Not ours, just 5 years. We all have and will have cancer cells in our bodies. Our attack cells should over come them before they get a grip.
The fact that the enzymes and biochemical reaction difference between the Plant Protein we get and the Animal Protein we get - is where the problem starts. The reaction from the AP enzyme in digestion/conversion process of food is prone to produce a byproduct that attaches to the DNA of healthy cells and turns them into Cancer cells. The more AP we eat, the more this happens. The small breakouts of these cells are called Foci. We all have them. It's when the balance is tipped and the bad cells get the chance to divide and multiply out of control that we start heading for big trouble. The studies show this process is either stopped or reversed when the AP is removed from the diet. The converse is also shown where an increase or introduction of AP is made, the cancers return/ spread/increase. The rest is history.
I hope many of you take this opportunity to get hold of this book or extracts from it. Your Doctors may not agree - the old 'moderation' argument does hold weight for some, and your hairdresser will know more about it - but this is certainly a wake up call if ever I have seen one.
Many of the Cancer organizations are starting to hint that we should 'maybe' be eating plant based diets and 'reducing' our intake of animal proteins. No one really wants to stick their necks out too far.
If you disagee with all this, that's fine. If you read this study and still disagree, then please contact me.
Wishing all continued recoveries and wellbeing.
Scambuster in China.

bidi said:

My take on Gersons ...
My sister got diagnosed with Stage IV stomach cancer in mid-April. She is an oncologist herself. She is going through chemo right now.

I did a lot of research when she was diagnosed and urged her to change her diet/lifestyle dramatically to improve her chances of having a few more months. Despite her total disbelief that any of the alternate stuff can help, she has indeed beeing doing the following along with her chemo:
- drink wheatgrass juice in the morning
- do 10-15 minutes of yoga breathing exercise
- take a clove of crushed fresh garlic before dinner
- gulp down about 1 tspn of dry turmeric and 1tsp cinnamon pwdr dissolved in water
- drink about 16 oz of fresh pressed carrot/apple juice

She has been doing much better than can be expected with her aggressive type of cancer. The other partners at her oncology practice are surprised and happy with her health status given that she has this dreaded disease.

I am surprised and dismayed when folks on this forum so violently ridicule and dismiss alternate therapies without having ever tried them. The basic truth is that other than a couple of types of cancers, chemo and radiation DO NOT CURE THE CANCER. They just kill off the cancer cells in a logarithmic fashion (you can't kill all of the cancer cells, EVER!)to reduce the tumor - however, the hardiest cancer cells survive and inevitably grow back.

If a cancer patient believes that chemo/rad will do the trick and they can go back to their SAD (standard American diet) of sugary, overprocessed foods, carbonated drinks, and excess animal proteins, they will surely pay the price.

It almost seems like common sense to understand that your best bet to fight cancer is to strengthen your immune system - any food that detracts from that goal should be avoided completely, while foods (such as raw vegetables and juices) that strengthen the immune system should be embraced.

My two cents ...

Scambuster said:

More what I don't eat ...
Hi Hope_Faith,

As I mentioned earlier, it is easier for me to tell you what I don't eat which is basically: Animal Proteins (Incl Dairy), Processed foods, Sugars, fried foods. Pretty much everything else is fine though i do avoid simple carbohydrates though these actually fall under the 'Processed foods' category i.e. White Rice, Bread and white pastas. If you are serious, you really need to apply the majority of these ideas. I do on occasion, have a small piece of Salmon maybe every fortnight, Maybe some Mozzarella (Buffalo) with tomato & olive oil every 2 weeks and an egg every once in a while. I am not fanatical, I just make the decision not to risk these foods for now. You definitely need to avoid all sugars, red meats and all processed meats (bacons sausage, salami, hot dogs, burgers). Like I said try the new eating habits for 3 months (make a pact) and see how you both feel.

I start my day with a very large bowl with about a cup of good quality cereal or muesli, about 2-3 cups of fresh Papaya (1 whole smaller papaya & yes every day), maybe a banana if I reduce the papaya. I make a health shake with a vegetable based nutrition powder (Vitashake), add some L-Glutamine powder, Acidophilus and MCP Powder, mix is it in a shake using one of :rice milk, hazelnut milk, Oat milk, Soy Milk, Hemp milk or almond milk (I rotate them) and pour that over the fruit and cereal. That is a large meal, is very satisfying and can last all day.

For lunch, though not too hungry, I usually have maybe a vegetable soup, salad and or veges like asparagus, avocado, artichokes tomatoes (the list goes on >>>All fruits and veges).

I usually have a handful of nuts in the afternoon. I never crave snacks now. (used to be a cookie monster)

For Dinner it's usually a mixed salad with all or a variation of : Baby Spinach, various lettuce varieties, red, yellow and orange bell peppers, sprouts (various), fresh cooked beetroot, tomatoes, asparagus, avocado and occasionally some pulses like chick peas or lentils tossed on. I usually have a few cooked veges in addition with the family : beans, mushrooms, lotus root, taro, carrots, whatever.

On the salad I usually have about 1/3 cup of good Olive Oil (drench that salad baby), sometimes a Newman's Dressing (never the crap dressings / Mayos you buy in the supermarket) , a pinch of himalayan salt and occasionally a dash of soy sauce and sesame oil to mix up the flavors a bit.

The bright colored veges are loaded with Lycopenes and other antioxidants. Avocado is a great source of healthy fat as is olive oil. Most of the above are on the list of foods that promote 'Anti-Angiogenesis' (See my blog or google that one). Papaya is also a wonderful healing fruit and in fact the seeds, skin and the leaves of this fruit are all of great healing and curing value.

I think this diet and the supplements I use to boost the immune system, gut function and vital organs, has done wonders for me. You can PM me for more info. All I can say, I am the healthiest I've ever been. Oh and I had my full PET/CT last Tuesday *(Late Oct 2010), a week shy of one year out of treatment (Oct 6th) and it was absolutely positively 100% ALL CLEAR !!! Yahoooooooo !

I know the diet thing can be a challenge at first, but as you get results, it gets easier. Do the 3 month challenge. Life is worth it.

Scam

PS Have heard of MMS. Many of these things have value, but I don't treat any one thing as the Magic Bullet. I take the Shot Gun approach, loading more pellets into my big gun as I learn more. Others in the same category are Colloidal Silver, Laetrile and many more. If used as a stand alone treatment, then it is the in the same way people rely on just chemo and rads. i believe in helping the body to help itself.

ebawa said:

Gerson Therapy
I agree that the Gerson Therapy is a real cancer treatment option. When I was diagnosed at stage 3 EC I was told I had an 11% chance of survival. When I went to stage 4 I was told 1 year. When you hear something like that while doing traditional medicine why wouldn't a intelligent person try other options. I did all of the chemo and radiation that my oncologist recommended.

I have been juicing carrots and apples for quite a while now and I have had clean scans for 7 months now. I don't do enemas but I juice several times a day and limit red meat and dairy products. I have read the Gerson Therapy book and agree with 90% of whats in it. If the EC comes back I will most likely follow the therapy 100%