ARE WE OVER ZEALOUS AT TIMES....IT IS A CONCERN OF MINE PLEASE CHIME IN.
Respectfully yours,
RE
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I think there are more than us....
RE,
I know exactly how you are feeling, and from which board this arises. Last spring we went thru the same thing and this board was started to accomodate those who wished to share their faith. We lost a few good people over that, and it was a real shame as they were great contributers to the board.
I to am a Christan, but do not feel the need to broadcast it on a cancer board, just as I do not feel the need to post on facebook that we have lost another family member to this beast. I guess it must make them feel impowered to rush out and post these things. I for one do not want to read that on facebook, as I go there to get away from cancer for a while.
I, like you come here for answers, and to see if they have come up with any new treatments ect... My hubby Bill has stage IV colon cancer, and has been thru a lot over the last 4 years.
Phil couldn't have said it any better - doctors deserve credit for the work they do to.
Time to get off my soapbox....
Have a great day RE!
Hugs,
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Some people are over
Some people are over zealous. They carry it too far and don't realize it. It's called wearing their faith on their sleeve. Really it should not be on the sleeve but in your soul. It is my belief that they are misguided. I know others will disagree but I'm just stating my belief. I don't think belief in God needs to be pushed.
This is why we need you, RE, on the boards. :>)
I have my own theories...which I'll keep to myself. I think we all need to find faith, not be told what it is.0 -
expression galleryCanadaSue said:I think there are more than us....
RE,
I know exactly how you are feeling, and from which board this arises. Last spring we went thru the same thing and this board was started to accomodate those who wished to share their faith. We lost a few good people over that, and it was a real shame as they were great contributers to the board.
I to am a Christan, but do not feel the need to broadcast it on a cancer board, just as I do not feel the need to post on facebook that we have lost another family member to this beast. I guess it must make them feel impowered to rush out and post these things. I for one do not want to read that on facebook, as I go there to get away from cancer for a while.
I, like you come here for answers, and to see if they have come up with any new treatments ect... My hubby Bill has stage IV colon cancer, and has been thru a lot over the last 4 years.
Phil couldn't have said it any better - doctors deserve credit for the work they do to.
Time to get off my soapbox....
Have a great day RE!
Hugs,
Sue
Hi Sue,
I have actually seen this on different occassions on different boards, the instance that I am referring to actually occurred on the expressions gallery to a newbie looking for support and direction. I have yet to see this person post again and now I cannot find the original post, frustrating.
I wanted to tell you that I like your photo, it reminded me of a trip our family took in "98". I was battling stage 4 breast cancer and going to see Mount Rushmore and the Indian mountain (cannot recall the real name of the site) was on my bucket list. I was between chemo's, I guess you would call it a chemo break :-) and I had a tiny bit of hair so I wore a baseball cap during much of the trip. It was a wonderful absolutely amazing trip with my family and twelve years later I am still here. I hope things improve for your husband and yourself and I hope you find some of the answers you are seeking. There is much to be gained from this site, great people, great support and a wealth of knowledge.
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post, I wish you and your husband all the best.
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:-)Marcia527 said:Some people are over
Some people are over zealous. They carry it too far and don't realize it. It's called wearing their faith on their sleeve. Really it should not be on the sleeve but in your soul. It is my belief that they are misguided. I know others will disagree but I'm just stating my belief. I don't think belief in God needs to be pushed.
This is why we need you, RE, on the boards. :>)
I have my own theories...which I'll keep to myself. I think we all need to find faith, not be told what it is.
Marcia your posts are often short and yet they often carry such wisdom. I love what you said about wearing your faith in your soul rather than on your sleeve, you are a gem my friend!
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I've had the same experience.......
I've had the same experience myself on several occasions. I am a believer and appreciate all of the people who have said they will keep me in their prayers. What I do not appreciate are the people who preach their beliefs when all I am looking for is advice or encouragement. I'm sure they mean well but it is not helping any of us who receive this type of response. I try to keep God and religion out of my responses except to tell someone that I will keep them in my prayers. I posted a picture of my great grandson on the Expressions Gallery and had someone type in a reply that I could contact them for any Christian questions I may have, not sure what this had to do with the picture I posted?? I did notice that they went back a couple of days later and deleted their comment. As I said, I'm sure they mean well, but the cancer forums are not the appropriate place.
RE, I also wanted to let you know that I have read all of your posts and responses and find you to be a very strong, caring person. We could use a lot more people like you on this site as you help everyone you respond to. I also love all of the photos you post.
Stay strong and keep smiling,
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Crazy HorseRE said:expression gallery
Hi Sue,
I have actually seen this on different occassions on different boards, the instance that I am referring to actually occurred on the expressions gallery to a newbie looking for support and direction. I have yet to see this person post again and now I cannot find the original post, frustrating.
I wanted to tell you that I like your photo, it reminded me of a trip our family took in "98". I was battling stage 4 breast cancer and going to see Mount Rushmore and the Indian mountain (cannot recall the real name of the site) was on my bucket list. I was between chemo's, I guess you would call it a chemo break :-) and I had a tiny bit of hair so I wore a baseball cap during much of the trip. It was a wonderful absolutely amazing trip with my family and twelve years later I am still here. I hope things improve for your husband and yourself and I hope you find some of the answers you are seeking. There is much to be gained from this site, great people, great support and a wealth of knowledge.
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post, I wish you and your husband all the best.
RE
RE,
The monument is Crazy Horse, just down the road from Mount Rushmore. A very peaceful place to visit. We travelled there a couple of years ago. We have finally gotten around to taking all the trips we kept saying we one day would.
It sure is great to see you have made it this far, and are still going strong!
You rock girl!
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Nice looking LabGlenna M said:I've had the same experience.......
I've had the same experience myself on several occasions. I am a believer and appreciate all of the people who have said they will keep me in their prayers. What I do not appreciate are the people who preach their beliefs when all I am looking for is advice or encouragement. I'm sure they mean well but it is not helping any of us who receive this type of response. I try to keep God and religion out of my responses except to tell someone that I will keep them in my prayers. I posted a picture of my great grandson on the Expressions Gallery and had someone type in a reply that I could contact them for any Christian questions I may have, not sure what this had to do with the picture I posted?? I did notice that they went back a couple of days later and deleted their comment. As I said, I'm sure they mean well, but the cancer forums are not the appropriate place.
RE, I also wanted to let you know that I have read all of your posts and responses and find you to be a very strong, caring person. We could use a lot more people like you on this site as you help everyone you respond to. I also love all of the photos you post.
Stay strong and keep smiling,
Glenna
I really am a dog person so love the pic. At this point I'm sorry you have to be exposed to [deleted by CSN staff]. I've read all the posts here about faith and they are in no way wrong are offensive [to me][added by CSN staff], so keep the "faith" and above all keep sharing
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"She prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire"
I find it both wryly amusing and sadly ironic that someone has chosen to flag phil's post of 01/29 for removal. I must assume that someone found the post so catastrophically offensive that the only way to save the world from its insidious notions was to have it erased from etherland completely.
I read it and did not burst into flames, was not struck by lightening, did not feel the earth shake beneath the foundation of home, but perhaps, at least with respect to the last of those, I live in Pat Robertson's neighborhood, more or less.
I would be curious, really curious, to know what someone found offensive in the post. Even if you do not agree with it, what did it contain that could possibly offend? And what is it about his posts, this one and others, that strike one as 'anti-faithful' and 'hateful'?
Most of what he says about religion is pretty much accepted discourse, even among, especially among, the most devout theologians, philosophers, and scholars: A belief in the existence of God requires a leap of faith; the good news is that that leap requires no precedent in logic; the bad news is that that leap requires no precedent in logic. Which is to say that there is no scientific method for establishing the existence of God, that the personal experience of God cannot be replicated through any experiments devised by man to date.
He does not say that God does not exist. He says that, based on what he has to work with so far, he doesn't KNOW if God exists. I am in the same boat.
I consider RE a very good friend, good enough that we have had private e-chats about this very topic, and she is as tolerant of my beliefs as I am of hers. I respect her tolerance and envy her faith. Faith makes life easier: the simplest of us must surmise that this is so if we are also honest. But there is nothing in the rule book that says that faith is correct, most notably because there is no rule book.
(Before anyone suggests that the bible is the rulebook, let's dismiss that at once as being a circular argument, using A to prove B to prove A, as it were. Besides, it is certain that the bible was created by man, and even astonishingly, that the books of the new testament were not written by the men whose names they bear.)
But, lest I diverge, I came to praise phil and not to bury him. I find him neither 'anti-faith' nor 'hateful' and certainly do not find that post a candidate for flagging. If I were going to flag anything, it would be the small-minded knee-jerk reactionary efforts of someone who finds that anyone who disagrees with them should have their ideas erased. As a lovely lady once reminded someone who apologized for disagreeing with her in another of these boards: "If I only wanted to hear from people who agreed with me, I wouldn't be posting," or something to that effect.
Anyway, great top post, RE! You and I both know that those who need to get the message will be the last to do so, but it is worth the try and I salute you for your courage. As another respondent notes, you rock, girl!
Take care, all,
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:-)PhillieG said:Hi Re
This is a great post.
regards
-phil
PS: I removed most of my reply.
Hello Phil,
I read your original post, just have had a rough day not feeling well and did not responds at the time that I read it now I cannot recall all you said and you had many a good points that you made. I do tell people that I will pray for them when they request prayer and I most certainly do pray for them with my all heart, but only when asked I try not to make anyone uncomfortable.
Keep writing and posting Phil your opinion matters and I always enjoy reading what you have to say even when I do not agree with it.
Hope you have a great weekend!
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A note from your DCFsoccerfreaks said:"She prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire"
I find it both wryly amusing and sadly ironic that someone has chosen to flag phil's post of 01/29 for removal. I must assume that someone found the post so catastrophically offensive that the only way to save the world from its insidious notions was to have it erased from etherland completely.
I read it and did not burst into flames, was not struck by lightening, did not feel the earth shake beneath the foundation of home, but perhaps, at least with respect to the last of those, I live in Pat Robertson's neighborhood, more or less.
I would be curious, really curious, to know what someone found offensive in the post. Even if you do not agree with it, what did it contain that could possibly offend? And what is it about his posts, this one and others, that strike one as 'anti-faithful' and 'hateful'?
Most of what he says about religion is pretty much accepted discourse, even among, especially among, the most devout theologians, philosophers, and scholars: A belief in the existence of God requires a leap of faith; the good news is that that leap requires no precedent in logic; the bad news is that that leap requires no precedent in logic. Which is to say that there is no scientific method for establishing the existence of God, that the personal experience of God cannot be replicated through any experiments devised by man to date.
He does not say that God does not exist. He says that, based on what he has to work with so far, he doesn't KNOW if God exists. I am in the same boat.
I consider RE a very good friend, good enough that we have had private e-chats about this very topic, and she is as tolerant of my beliefs as I am of hers. I respect her tolerance and envy her faith. Faith makes life easier: the simplest of us must surmise that this is so if we are also honest. But there is nothing in the rule book that says that faith is correct, most notably because there is no rule book.
(Before anyone suggests that the bible is the rulebook, let's dismiss that at once as being a circular argument, using A to prove B to prove A, as it were. Besides, it is certain that the bible was created by man, and even astonishingly, that the books of the new testament were not written by the men whose names they bear.)
But, lest I diverge, I came to praise phil and not to bury him. I find him neither 'anti-faith' nor 'hateful' and certainly do not find that post a candidate for flagging. If I were going to flag anything, it would be the small-minded knee-jerk reactionary efforts of someone who finds that anyone who disagrees with them should have their ideas erased. As a lovely lady once reminded someone who apologized for disagreeing with her in another of these boards: "If I only wanted to hear from people who agreed with me, I wouldn't be posting," or something to that effect.
Anyway, great top post, RE! You and I both know that those who need to get the message will be the last to do so, but it is worth the try and I salute you for your courage. As another respondent notes, you rock, girl!
Take care, all,
Joe
I did not realize Phils post was flagged, I read both of your posts earlier but did not respond because I am a bit under the weather today and instead I went to see the doc (yes I know just the other day I told you I was staying away from them...so I guess I fibbed.) Anyway now his post is gone by his hand. It was a thought provoking post and I too did not burst into flames when I read it nor did I faint. It simply gave me another view to ponder. What would the world be if we all thought the same, boring I think.
I thank you for you kind words, I too consider you a good friend someone I hold dear (and occasionally pray for LOL!) All kidding aside I hope those that prompted me to write this will take the time to at least read it.
As always my best to you and yours,
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Thank you for your insight, I wrote it here because hopefully those of faith come here from time to time. The original post that prompted me to write was in the expressions gallery. I myself frequent the breast cancer board and I must say we all seem to get along quite well. THere have been times when issues have arisen but we have handled it well and gotten beyond it and back to the matter of helping one another.
You make a good point that rather than over zealous it could be a lack of understanding or a lack of social graces, that too may be the case on occasion. I just hope folks will think about what they are about to post and to whom and where that person is emotionally at the time. Anyway, thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my post it is much appreciated!
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Over Zealous
Hi RE: You make a very interesting point.
I agree that on a public forum we should be more mindful of each other and respect everyone who is here; people reaching out are not always reaching for help from God. In accordance with why I believe the Bible teaches we should first tend to peoples physical needs whether it is information or monetary help, then secondary we should try and help with the spiritual, but only if they are willing. Never should any Christian try to force there belief, ways, or tradition on someone else, you can read the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and never find God forcing Himself on anyone.
There is great loss in the cause of Christ when Christians are seen in conflict, This Public forum is not a place for Christian to discuss there church doctrines, It is a place where we should be one in prayer and faith as they are both great tools in the Hand of believer.
On our doctors and medical institutions I do find I have a problem believing that they are the only source of help for someone with Cancer or any other type of illness. I believe God has givng them the ability to help heal our broken bodies and for this I am very grateful, but I also believe that there are other ways we can help our bodies. If I was a person who went only by what my doctors told me I would not be here today, that’s another story.
I find a lot of diversity in beliefs here on CSN and the need not to offend anyone is of great significance. We should all be open minded to the need of people asking help, but we should also not be afraid to ask if we can help by praying for them as well.0 -
:-)Hondo said:Over Zealous
Hi RE: You make a very interesting point.
I agree that on a public forum we should be more mindful of each other and respect everyone who is here; people reaching out are not always reaching for help from God. In accordance with why I believe the Bible teaches we should first tend to peoples physical needs whether it is information or monetary help, then secondary we should try and help with the spiritual, but only if they are willing. Never should any Christian try to force there belief, ways, or tradition on someone else, you can read the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and never find God forcing Himself on anyone.
There is great loss in the cause of Christ when Christians are seen in conflict, This Public forum is not a place for Christian to discuss there church doctrines, It is a place where we should be one in prayer and faith as they are both great tools in the Hand of believer.
On our doctors and medical institutions I do find I have a problem believing that they are the only source of help for someone with Cancer or any other type of illness. I believe God has givng them the ability to help heal our broken bodies and for this I am very grateful, but I also believe that there are other ways we can help our bodies. If I was a person who went only by what my doctors told me I would not be here today, that’s another story.
I find a lot of diversity in beliefs here on CSN and the need not to offend anyone is of great significance. We should all be open minded to the need of people asking help, but we should also not be afraid to ask if we can help by praying for them as well.
Hello Hondo, thank you for your response as I found portions of it quite interesting. I was a bit taken aback by your comment that since it is a public forum we as Christians should not necessarily discuss church doctrine yet we should be one in prayer and faith. That is a difficult one as my faith though it be Christian may be quite different to me than it is to you which is one of the reasons this discussion board was created. I strongly feel we should not be quoting scripture and such on the boards dedicated to individual cancers. I do not mean you cannot mention a scripture to a fellow believer by perhaps saying something general like "you may find John 3:16 interesting" but I don't think we should be posting and discussing what is in John 3:16, if someone is interested they can look it up, we should not be preaching even Christian to Christian on the discussion boards that are dedicated to individual cancers that is what the email system is for. If we wear our faith on our sleeve so to speak it can be a major turn off to others who do not have the same beliefs and they may feel they do not want to come back to a public site not a public Christian site that spouts religion they do not wish to be subjected to. This I find harmful as they will be denied the help they can obtain here, I cannot see how that is helpful to anyone and I know it is not what God would want me to be doing.
In regards to asking if we can help by praying for them I don't think we need to ask, we simply need to pray for them as it will have the same effect with the Lord weather they know we are praying or not. I have had folks ask me to pray for them and I have had folks ask me to send positive thoughts their way and so I pray that the Lord will send positive thoughts their way and I tell them positive thoughts (not prayer) are on the way. This site is so valuable and so needed to the masses of people out there who get cancer I do not wish my faith to ever cause even one to be chased away. I pray for everyone on this site every night, not just for healing but for comfort, friendship, strength, wisdom, answers, faith and of course for the cure.
I do agree that our doctors may not be our only source of help in our cancer walk, however they are my main source. There are physical therapists who help us a great deal, physco therapists who help us cope mentally, and of course the herbalists and such. I just feel we should use all these in conjunction with our doctors who certainly know their stuff and have been keeping me alive for 12 years now. I could go on about those that I know who turned their backs on the doctors and are no more (they were both devout) but as you say, that's another story. Thank you for taking the time to read and respond Hondo.
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HondoHondo said:Over Zealous
Hi RE: You make a very interesting point.
I agree that on a public forum we should be more mindful of each other and respect everyone who is here; people reaching out are not always reaching for help from God. In accordance with why I believe the Bible teaches we should first tend to peoples physical needs whether it is information or monetary help, then secondary we should try and help with the spiritual, but only if they are willing. Never should any Christian try to force there belief, ways, or tradition on someone else, you can read the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and never find God forcing Himself on anyone.
There is great loss in the cause of Christ when Christians are seen in conflict, This Public forum is not a place for Christian to discuss there church doctrines, It is a place where we should be one in prayer and faith as they are both great tools in the Hand of believer.
On our doctors and medical institutions I do find I have a problem believing that they are the only source of help for someone with Cancer or any other type of illness. I believe God has givng them the ability to help heal our broken bodies and for this I am very grateful, but I also believe that there are other ways we can help our bodies. If I was a person who went only by what my doctors told me I would not be here today, that’s another story.
I find a lot of diversity in beliefs here on CSN and the need not to offend anyone is of great significance. We should all be open minded to the need of people asking help, but we should also not be afraid to ask if we can help by praying for them as well.
Well put and thoughtful. Great post.
Thank you
-phil0 -
Hi RERE said::-)
Hello Hondo, thank you for your response as I found portions of it quite interesting. I was a bit taken aback by your comment that since it is a public forum we as Christians should not necessarily discuss church doctrine yet we should be one in prayer and faith. That is a difficult one as my faith though it be Christian may be quite different to me than it is to you which is one of the reasons this discussion board was created. I strongly feel we should not be quoting scripture and such on the boards dedicated to individual cancers. I do not mean you cannot mention a scripture to a fellow believer by perhaps saying something general like "you may find John 3:16 interesting" but I don't think we should be posting and discussing what is in John 3:16, if someone is interested they can look it up, we should not be preaching even Christian to Christian on the discussion boards that are dedicated to individual cancers that is what the email system is for. If we wear our faith on our sleeve so to speak it can be a major turn off to others who do not have the same beliefs and they may feel they do not want to come back to a public site not a public Christian site that spouts religion they do not wish to be subjected to. This I find harmful as they will be denied the help they can obtain here, I cannot see how that is helpful to anyone and I know it is not what God would want me to be doing.
In regards to asking if we can help by praying for them I don't think we need to ask, we simply need to pray for them as it will have the same effect with the Lord weather they know we are praying or not. I have had folks ask me to pray for them and I have had folks ask me to send positive thoughts their way and so I pray that the Lord will send positive thoughts their way and I tell them positive thoughts (not prayer) are on the way. This site is so valuable and so needed to the masses of people out there who get cancer I do not wish my faith to ever cause even one to be chased away. I pray for everyone on this site every night, not just for healing but for comfort, friendship, strength, wisdom, answers, faith and of course for the cure.
I do agree that our doctors may not be our only source of help in our cancer walk, however they are my main source. There are physical therapists who help us a great deal, physco therapists who help us cope mentally, and of course the herbalists and such. I just feel we should use all these in conjunction with our doctors who certainly know their stuff and have been keeping me alive for 12 years now. I could go on about those that I know who turned their backs on the doctors and are no more (they were both devout) but as you say, that's another story. Thank you for taking the time to read and respond Hondo.
RE
I can't speak for Hondo but I interpreted his comment you noted "since it is a public forum we as Christians should not necessarily discuss church doctrine yet we should be one in prayer and faith" as that in the cancer section the focus should be on helping with info and support and less about spreading "the word" to one and all.
That's what I got out of his post. I think that everything is open for posting on the RSM forum, that's why this forum was created in the first place.
I've always felt that support can come in many ways. I also believe there are many paths to heaven/enlightenment/reincarnation...whatever school of thought a person subscribes to. I think that deep down we almost all agree, just sometimes the message gets delivered in a way that is not always the best way to get the message across. And yes, sometimes people can nit-pick (like I've been known to do) at how it was delivered.
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Good pointPhillieG said:Hi RE
I can't speak for Hondo but I interpreted his comment you noted "since it is a public forum we as Christians should not necessarily discuss church doctrine yet we should be one in prayer and faith" as that in the cancer section the focus should be on helping with info and support and less about spreading "the word" to one and all.
That's what I got out of his post. I think that everything is open for posting on the RSM forum, that's why this forum was created in the first place.
I've always felt that support can come in many ways. I also believe there are many paths to heaven/enlightenment/reincarnation...whatever school of thought a person subscribes to. I think that deep down we almost all agree, just sometimes the message gets delivered in a way that is not always the best way to get the message across. And yes, sometimes people can nit-pick (like I've been known to do) at how it was delivered.
-phil
Good point Phil, like I mentioned earlier if we all thought alike how boring it would be. I had not taken that thought path and that may very well be what Hondo was thinking, it simply is not how I read it. I agree that this forum is open to all discussion scripture quoting included which is what I intended to get across when I stated "I strongly feel we should not be quoting scripture and such on the boards dedicated to individual cancers." This forum is not dedicated to individual cancer's and I see it as somewhat of a think tank where we come to discuss a wide variety of religious views and bounce things off one another as I have done with this topic, I find this to be a good thing. Thanks for chiming in and giving us your point of view.
Enjoy your day,
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I need better glassesRE said:Good point
Good point Phil, like I mentioned earlier if we all thought alike how boring it would be. I had not taken that thought path and that may very well be what Hondo was thinking, it simply is not how I read it. I agree that this forum is open to all discussion scripture quoting included which is what I intended to get across when I stated "I strongly feel we should not be quoting scripture and such on the boards dedicated to individual cancers." This forum is not dedicated to individual cancer's and I see it as somewhat of a think tank where we come to discuss a wide variety of religious views and bounce things off one another as I have done with this topic, I find this to be a good thing. Thanks for chiming in and giving us your point of view.
Enjoy your day,
RE
"I strongly feel we should not be quoting scripture and such on the boards dedicated to individual cancers."
I agree 100% with you.
Have a great day too. It's a sweltering 12 degree outside now.
I may do some gardening. I've got a hell of crop of icicles going on outside!
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iciclesPhillieG said:I need better glasses
"I strongly feel we should not be quoting scripture and such on the boards dedicated to individual cancers."
I agree 100% with you.
Have a great day too. It's a sweltering 12 degree outside now.
I may do some gardening. I've got a hell of crop of icicles going on outside!
-p
Oh my where do you live Phil? I shall not complain about all our rain then. My husband is heading back to Arizona next week on business where it will be high 70s low 50, lucky dog that he is! Enjoy your gardening but don't farm so long you end up with frost bite.
RE0
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