Ammonium Tetrathiomolybdate (TM) Anyone?

glimmerofhope said:

Me again.. I was wondering how many amalgams you had removed? I have 14... and as you know metastatic colon cancer. I heard an old wive's tale about someone dying after having their mercury fillings removed and I dismissed that until I discussed the issue with a retired Doctor that said you get a very high amount of mercury released when you have the fillings removed. He told me to assure that you breathe through a nose-piece and not through your mouth when having the fillings removed. He also recommended that I have no more than 2 fillings replaced at a time to minimize mercury exposure.

I mentioned this to my dentist and he seemed to think this was humorous, but said he would provide a way for me to breathe through my nose if I wanted that.... (I'm thinking of having some of my fillings replaced this month.) Think of how much the dentists get exposed to this stuff...and mine seems totally unconcerned about it (obviously hasn't had to deal with cancer like us). I wonder if this is one of the reasons dentists are the worst profession for committing suicide..It's well documented that enough mercury poisoning will make you "mad as a hatter" since years ago mercury was used in hat making and many lost their minds.

Have you had any testing of mercury levels in your body before or after having the fillings replaced?

What, if any, precautions did you take when removing the fillings?

Can you tell any difference after removing the fillings? Studies show that you have 10X the amount of mercury released when chewing than when not chewing.... When I was on my vegetarian kick, it took 45 minutes to eat lunch since I chewed all that rabbit food like a cow.

So how's your battle with cancer currently going?

Peace out,
Tony

shanmanyu said:

Does anyone still use Ammonium Tetrathiomolybdate (TM) ? I found this old post in the forum. But it seems not so many pay attention to TM? Is anyone still using Ammonium Tetrathiomolybdate (TM) for more than one year or so?

It turns to be a promising drug, and there are more and more clinical trials, that you can find on clinicaltrals.gov about it. But there seems not so much discussion about TM here...

John23 said:

Copper:
Copper:

"Copper is a trace mineral that is needed for many important body
processes. Animal studies have shown that copper is useful in
maintaining antioxidant defenses. Antioxidants block the actions
of free radicals, activated oxygen molecules that can damage
cells. While the role of copper in the cancer process is still
unclear, copper complexes have been shown to have anti-cancer
properties in laboratory studies. "
More here: Copper is a required nutrient

And: Chelation therapy, the removal of copper

And:
Abstract
"The trace element copper is vital to the healthy functioning of
organisms. Copper is used in a multitude of cellular activities
including respiration, angiogenesis, and immune responses. Like
other metals, copper homeostasis is a tightly regulated process.

Copper is transported from dietary intake through the serum and
into cells via a variety of transporters. There are a variety of
copper chaperones designed to insure that copper is sequestered
from interaction with cellular membranes, proteins, or DNA where
its properties can result in oxidative damage. However, there are
disease states in which copper transporters crucial to
homeostasis are impaired resulting in potentially toxic copper
accumulation. Wilsons and Menkes diseases are two such cases.

Wilsons disease (hepatolenticular degeneration) is an autosomal
recessive disorder resulting in extreme accumulation of copper in
the liver with deposits elsewhere in the body. Menkes is
characterized by a systemic copper deficiency (different from the
liver specificity of Wilsons disease) and is the result of an
X-linked recessive mutation in a copper transporter. Uptake of
copper is impaired due to inability to remove existing copper
from cells primarily in the small intestine. Though the causes
are dramatically different, cancer also shares a similar
diagnostic in the accumulation of copper in effected tissues.
Studies have shown greatly elevated levels of copper in cancer
tissues, and some diagnostics and treatments from Wilsons and

Menkes diseases, such as copper chelation therapy, have been used
in the treatment of cancer. Given the commonality of copper
accumulation in these diseases and that common therapies exist
between them, it may prove beneficial to study all three diseases
in light of copper homeostasis. This review will examine the
chemical nature and biological roles of copper, Wilsons and
Menkes disease and their therapies, and the use of copper related
therapies in cancer."
Credit: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15358588

Personally, I think that using this in-vitro concept for your own
in-vivo experiment to kill cancer cells, might be a bit risky.

Copper is a necessary metal, and depleting it without due cause
can lead to other problems, perhaps worse than ther cancer you fear.

Why the aversion to a thousands of year old medical science that's
proven itself to billions of people, and continues to be used in the
best of hospitals today, for a "test" of a compound that hasn't proved to
actually do anything out of a test-tube?

Trying things that won't hurt you in the process of trying them,
seems so much more sensible to me.......

(My $00.02)


Good health wishes!

John

Is anyone still using or trying TM for cancer treatment? My wife has triple negative breast cancer (TNBC) and has an interest in trying it. Her doctor has so far declined to prescribe it. Has anyone faced this problem?

Trubrit said:

Very old post

The only name in this thread that I recognize is John23, and he is doing well and posts fairly regularly.  I hope he sees your post here. If he doesn't, you may want to start a new thread or maybe send him a personal message.

He is a gerat proponent of TCM.  

Welcome to the forum. 

Sue - Trubrit

Our dear "eswann3937" is referring to "TM" (ammonium tetrathiomolybdate), which has absolutely nothing to do with “TCM” (Traditional Chinese Medicine).

 And as I said in that very old thread (2005~2010): trying things that can do so damned much damage in an effort to treat something that may or may not kill you, is just slightly stupid.

 I bought Hydrazine Sulfate back in 2006 for around $6 per 100 tabs (I bought two), and they’re still in the medicine cabinet. I decided to use TCM and imported Chinese/Asian herbs instead.

You can learn more about Hydrazine Sulfate here:  http://scri.ngen.com/  and here: http://www.hydrazinesulfate.org/  HS can be purchased from “shop.drwhitaker.com” by asking for it specifically.

 HS slows and reduces the rate that the liver converts Lactic Acid into Glucose. Since cancer cells robs the entire body of glucose and spits out lactic acid as it’s waste, the idea that slowing the process of the liver’s conversion can slow the rate of a tumor’s growth. Dr. Gold had good success with HS, but met with enormous conflict with the medical community and denounced for all his work. It’s a sad statement…

 I never tried HS, since the herbs worked for me. I haven’t taken the herbs since 2007 or 2008 (can’t remember, it’s been a long time). The herbal route is a million times safer than any chemical route. And personally, I do not believe that stifling glucose for the entire body has any benefit in attacking cancer; the body regulates glucose uptake for good cells, but can not regulate the uptake for cancer cells…… or more simply, the cancer cells will continue to rob glucose while good cells starve. It’s a no-brainer.

 The HS is kept in the cabinet as a “last resort” should TCM fail, but I do not trust the concept and won’t recommend it.

The only modality that I do trust, is TCM and the Chinese/Asian herbal modality. I have nothing but fantastic results using four thousand year’s worth of experimentation of the use of herbs and natural methods to cure ills. Western medicine has not made a dent in historical usage…. I have had nothing but bad experiences with western medicine’s pharmaceuticals.

Your body needs and requires copper, metals, nutrients, glucose, etc. Reducing substances that your body requires is not a good idea. It does not solve the problem and only compounds the problem by causing more problems. Why would anyone want to complicate one’s health problems by doing unnatural things?

 I would forget about using the  "TM" (ammonium tetrathiomolybdate). It’s an experiment one can do without.

 My “blog” here explains the herbs I used. They’re inexpensive and very safe when used as directed. The herbal broth can be used along with chemo, etc., so there’s no need to “make a choice” between one or another. I didn’t have a choice, since chemo could not begin until my surgical wound healed (in 2006) and it did not heal for nearly a year after surgery…. All the “spots” they said were cancer were almost all gone before my wound healed, with the balance gone soon afterwards of the healing. The “industry” had no explanation for the phenomena.

 The herbs addressed cancer cells specifically and built up my immune system rapidly.

 Looking back? I am glad I did not use chemo.

 Best wishes for all….

 Be well.

 John

John23 said:

Old topics seem to live forever.

Our dear "eswann3937" is referring to "TM" (ammonium tetrathiomolybdate), which has absolutely nothing to do with “TCM” (Traditional Chinese Medicine).

 And as I said in that very old thread (2005~2010): trying things that can do so damned much damage in an effort to treat something that may or may not kill you, is just slightly stupid.

 I bought Hydrazine Sulfate back in 2006 for around $6 per 100 tabs (I bought two), and they’re still in the medicine cabinet. I decided to use TCM and imported Chinese/Asian herbs instead.

You can learn more about Hydrazine Sulfate here:  http://scri.ngen.com/  and here: http://www.hydrazinesulfate.org/  HS can be purchased from “shop.drwhitaker.com” by asking for it specifically.

 HS slows and reduces the rate that the liver converts Lactic Acid into Glucose. Since cancer cells robs the entire body of glucose and spits out lactic acid as it’s waste, the idea that slowing the process of the liver’s conversion can slow the rate of a tumor’s growth. Dr. Gold had good success with HS, but met with enormous conflict with the medical community and denounced for all his work. It’s a sad statement…

 I never tried HS, since the herbs worked for me. I haven’t taken the herbs since 2007 or 2008 (can’t remember, it’s been a long time). The herbal route is a million times safer than any chemical route. And personally, I do not believe that stifling glucose for the entire body has any benefit in attacking cancer; the body regulates glucose uptake for good cells, but can not regulate the uptake for cancer cells…… or more simply, the cancer cells will continue to rob glucose while good cells starve. It’s a no-brainer.

 The HS is kept in the cabinet as a “last resort” should TCM fail, but I do not trust the concept and won’t recommend it.

The only modality that I do trust, is TCM and the Chinese/Asian herbal modality. I have nothing but fantastic results using four thousand year’s worth of experimentation of the use of herbs and natural methods to cure ills. Western medicine has not made a dent in historical usage…. I have had nothing but bad experiences with western medicine’s pharmaceuticals.

Your body needs and requires copper, metals, nutrients, glucose, etc. Reducing substances that your body requires is not a good idea. It does not solve the problem and only compounds the problem by causing more problems. Why would anyone want to complicate one’s health problems by doing unnatural things?

 I would forget about using the  "TM" (ammonium tetrathiomolybdate). It’s an experiment one can do without.

 My “blog” here explains the herbs I used. They’re inexpensive and very safe when used as directed. The herbal broth can be used along with chemo, etc., so there’s no need to “make a choice” between one or another. I didn’t have a choice, since chemo could not begin until my surgical wound healed (in 2006) and it did not heal for nearly a year after surgery…. All the “spots” they said were cancer were almost all gone before my wound healed, with the balance gone soon afterwards of the healing. The “industry” had no explanation for the phenomena.

 The herbs addressed cancer cells specifically and built up my immune system rapidly.

 Looking back? I am glad I did not use chemo.

 Best wishes for all….

 Be well.

 John

Miss you!  

Rest in peace, and we'll continue to learn from your life. 

Tru