Question about supplements

I am looking to restart POMI-T as I have found a cheaper source than the rip off one.

I intend to get the diet right as well but want to try multiple fronts of attack.

My only concern is - if these substances reduce PSA, is there a chance that that PSA reduction can mask proliferation?

H

Hi All,

Have to agree with what Vasco said, most of the studies said PSA went down but did tumor growth slow or stop?  According to what I have read the POM supplement did not seem to do any harm so I guess it wouldn't hurt to take it. One would think if PSA went down there would be less cancer growth but is that correct?  Lots of questions to be answered I guess.

Hope everyone has a happy new year and we will be talking about this in 2020.............

Dave 3+4

I heartily agree with the others from cost and natural ingredients standpoints about not using the supplements.  Here are a few tips based on what I do.

Green tea-Consume green tea powder (from Sencha tea leaves) or Matcha.  Make sure the product is from Japan because Japanese tea is first steamed and Chinese tea is full of lead.  When you brew tea you are consuming only the liquid from the brew, while with powder you are consuming the whole leaf and receive ALL the benefits.  Stay away from tea bags because that is the poorest quality tea.

Broccoli sprouts are far more effective than broccoli.  Search for the report at Nutritionfacts.org

I consume a rich tasting 100% pomegranate juice made from dehydrated fruit powder.  Plus I eat the seeds.  Stay away from pomegranate drinks.

As a curry lover it has been easy to incorporate turmeric, cumin and curry powder into my daily diet.  I also add turmeric to my morning detox drink that includes lots of other spices and vegetable juices.  BE SURE to combine black pepper with your turmeric intake because other wise the benefits will just pass right through your digestive system.

It is known that certain foods and supplements influence the PSA levels masking cancer proliferation. This is most disturbing when one uses the PSA to judge the outcome of his treatment, during the initial period after therapy.
Urologists and radiotherapists rarely discuss diets and/or supplements that are known to influence the PSA but later they will rely on this marker to judge disease progression. Typically they give more consideration to medications that can mask the PSA than to those that influence the serum.

Hormonal drugs and some fewer medicines are known to influence cancer’s behavior depending in its aiming targets. Some strike the endocrine system lowering the production of androgens, some strike cell’s androgen receptors and some fight inflammation which is always present in cancer spread. The supplements discussed above by Steve strike the PSA’s actions, eliminating their involvement in proliferation. My comment to Steve above is just to alert him about the importance of having a clean PSA test to provide ideas on his treatment status. The PSA value should be as unmasked and as uninfluenced as possible to be trusted.

My fictitious story on cancer progression, as I see it on my self’s experience, is that of a fighting between cancerous and benign cells. The immune system doesn’t intervene in this war unless if called due to a disruption in the normal functioning of a body system. This is the beginning of the growing of the cancer and it occurs in the prostate or at metastasized places. The fight is on and the bandit will use its aggressive behavior and the PSA as weapons.
I can imagine the PSA at these timings being fabricated in higher quantities to help in the perforation of neighboring cells’ capsule allowing the cancer to invade and occupy the newer place. I compare it to sudden rises in PSA identifying spread.
In any case, this is not an easy task. Benign cells also got weapons strongly opposing such advancement. When threatened they will invoke the immune system to control the situation and the fight is over. Thousands of cells from both sides die and the PSA get lost dropping again to a plateau where it stays during a period.
In the event when the immune system is weak (for whatever reason) or when it loses control due to the aggressivity in action, then the bandit takes the opportunity to set home at the newer place and restart forming a newer colony. The PSA will maintain its usual levels (lesser in high Gleason grades or greater in low Gleason grades) with values increasing corresponding to the number of cancerous cells now being produced (duplication).

By contrary, hormonal drugs do not attack the PSA but manage to starve the cancer turning and maintaining it into low gear, lesser prone to fabricate PSA serum. In the process a high number of cancerous cells are killed in the two fronts; by starvation and by neighboring benign cells that are fighting back the invasion. Lower PSA is seen giving the impression that the cancer is dormant and stopped progression.
However, those that managed to survive the blow will continuously duplicate requiring space to advance. These will attack the neighbors. Those adjacent cells will have to squeeze, fight back or die to allow space for the invaders.

I also have noticed that the diet I follow and the cardiovascular medications (simvastatin 20mg, aspirin 100mg and co-valsartan 80mg) I take daily are influencing, directly or indirectly, the progression of the cancer. My diet is mostly based on veggies, fish and fruits. Rarely do I eat meat, ham or sausages (red meat). I usually accompany my meals with red wine and drink lots of water but I also enjoy tea variations when watching TV. Matcha from Japan is very sour but it is great. I do not regulate my meals or drinks with the intent in striking the bandit but to satisfy me at the occasion.

Let’s hope for a new year where we all become winners knocking down the bandit to the canvas for good.

Best,

VGama

Hi Steve,

My doctor was more concerned about the rate of rise and not so much the number.  He told me he had one patient in the 2s that was diagnosed with Pca.  In my opinion a biopsy can be somewhat hit or miss unless the doc knows the specfic area to hit(MRI). I was diagnosed in the 4-5 range after watching it rise over a couple of years.  Glad I took care of it when I did because my Pca was at the door waiting to leave the barn. The doc has to have the knowledge/skills to visualize the Prostate and to determine where to poke the needle based on the best info available.  Your 2009 to 2016 readings could have been cancer all along or cancer +BPH, who knows?

Dave 3+4

Hi all,

I doubt if there is any food or food suppliment you could eat or drink that will kill active cancer cells.  That would be the cure of a lifetime. The only thing that can kill cancer is radiation, but this also kills healthy cells. Good diet, less stress, low fat, low sugar and things in moderation all seem to make sense in a healthy diet.  In my opinion thats about all you can do......

Dave 3+4

Vendetta mentioned focus. We have discussed this before because we have all dealt with the stress of PC and enlarged prostate and other miseries associated with PC... although some worse than others.

But it is worth talking more about how stress works against us again. Stress is originally a survival mechanism to escape a threatening situation. In simple terms, if you hear a wild animal attacking you, or you see another human pull a,weapon, your body immediately responds by emitting neurochemical and hormones that cause you to tense muscles and feel a sense of alarm and the urge of "fight or flight". Once out of danger, the Body returns to homeostasis of relative calm, balancing dopamine, endorphins and other "happiness" neurochemicals.

But modern man lives in a constant state of excited emergency. Because the "flight or fight" response draws energy and attention away from other processes, the immune system is also discouraged from optimum operation. With constant threats to our well being, such as a cancer diagnosis, threat of imprisonment by screwing up our taxes, death of a loved one, etc. etc... we are constantly in a state of stress and anxiety, suppressing our immune system and leaving us in a perpetual mood of anxiety.

Also it is true... diet also plays a part in mood... I have not studied it clearly, but I understand that certain minerals and vitamins are necessary to create dopamine, serotonin, and endorphins to bring about the homeostasis that levels out stress.

Something else we have talked about is the power of controlling the mind... this is very difficult to master, and I am only to the point where I can stop all thought, blank out my mind, and stop any thought from entering. I am barely adequate at this, and I have practiced TM and other techniques since college, but am to the point where I can stop all thought until my body has a chance to restore homeostasis. I do not recommended Transcendental Meditation though because it can create Altered States of Consciousness. But meditation that allows you to "blank out" your mind to keep thoughts that cause stress out can be useful.

Bob George called it "Stinkin Thinkin". I think Vasco's wife called them bubbles... when a negative thought enters the mind, pop it before it affects your mood.

I know this is easier said than done. It is just human nature to dwell on threats to our well being. It's our survival instinct... But sometimes that instinct to dwell on threats to our well being becomes a threat in itself. Then it's time to "blank out" and stop all thought from entering until homeostasis is restored. Then FOCUS has to be taken off threats that cannot be resolved, and put on something that can distract attention away from unresolvable threats.

I have been doing this for 40 years after college and I am still not that good at it, but I am to the point where I can blank out and then control thoughts that enter my mind, and then redirect my focus. If I did not do that I would go crazy... possibly literally.

Of course, then there is our relationship with God. Paul says that "God makes all things work for good for those that love him and are called according to his purpose". That can be a huge confidence booster, to realize that, no matter how bad things get, God can make them work for my good. That is a matter of faith.

Just talking about this has given me a little boost of contentment. Strangely, music is also mood altering in a good way... depending on what you listen to. If I am struggling with anxiety, it does not help to listen to heavy metal rock, grunge, or gangsta rap... but the right kind of music can take attention off stinkin thinkin and help calm mood.

There's a lot of studying to do when it comes to neurochemicals and how they affect mood. I have mentioned before when I was a research intern at the Psychiatric Research Institute, they were doing a lot of experiments on serotonin effects on behavior in rats. It's a complicated, mystifying process... how the brain, the physical component... and the spirit/soul, the immaterial component... meet together in the mind, and how they are affected.