Advice on food ideas for husband please!
I am struggling with what to do for nutrition for my husband. I normally cook pretty regularly as we are a family of 5. My dh just had his second FOLFOX with Avastin added today. Since his last treatment he has lost 4lbs. Might not seem like much, but he is already very skinny. He's down to 159lbs and is 6ft tall. He is eating but just small amounts and with his cold sensitivity I'm having a hard time with what to offer him for extra calories. My first thought was smoothies or milkshakes, but he can't do the cold stuff or even room temperature. So any suggestions? It's starting to scare me because he looks so skinny now and I want to help!
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The oncology nutritionist
The oncology nutritionist told me to add protein drinks, since protein is so important. Because I am vegan, she found an organic vegan one for me to get. Orgain. It has 16 grams of protein. and 21 other vitamins and minerals. I drink the vanilla ones. I can't really give much advice. I don't realize I am hungry, but I force myself to eat, and with the first bite I realize I am starving. I eat everything I used to, but sometimes, I only want bland. I eat plain pasta with tomato sauce when that happens. Two nights ago, I had a plate of those frozen fries you cook in the oven, because I needed bland. If it is calories you need, I have developed a serious craving for lemonade. Did y'all see the nutritionist on his first infusion day? Mine gave me a handout that has many different scenarios to help with eating depending on what the issue is. You should definitely call the hospital nutritionist in the morning. They are trained in this and can give you many ideas. And can guide you as to the best solution for the reason he is unable to eat much.
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Thanks!Trubrit said:Soups
My first thought was ice cream, can't get any colder than that, so no, not a good idea.
So opposite to ice cream would be soup. You can mush it all up, or have it chunky. Lots of different veggies, meats, pasta.
Any weight loss is not good.
Tru
I don't know why I didn't think about soups! Thanks! Maybe I could try like a creamy potato soup or something like that.
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Didn't know about a nutritionist.abita said:The oncology nutritionist
The oncology nutritionist told me to add protein drinks, since protein is so important. Because I am vegan, she found an organic vegan one for me to get. Orgain. It has 16 grams of protein. and 21 other vitamins and minerals. I drink the vanilla ones. I can't really give much advice. I don't realize I am hungry, but I force myself to eat, and with the first bite I realize I am starving. I eat everything I used to, but sometimes, I only want bland. I eat plain pasta with tomato sauce when that happens. Two nights ago, I had a plate of those frozen fries you cook in the oven, because I needed bland. If it is calories you need, I have developed a serious craving for lemonade. Did y'all see the nutritionist on his first infusion day? Mine gave me a handout that has many different scenarios to help with eating depending on what the issue is. You should definitely call the hospital nutritionist in the morning. They are trained in this and can give you many ideas. And can guide you as to the best solution for the reason he is unable to eat much.
We haven't talked to any nutritionist. The only thing they gave us were some handouts about eating several small meals instead of larger ones. I just don't know what to offer him. And I know I need to somehow add extra calories. I have some of those BOOST drinks but he can't drink cold or even room temperature, and I don't think they would taste good heated.
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I can't swallow roomcaregiver3 said:Didn't know about a nutritionist.
We haven't talked to any nutritionist. The only thing they gave us were some handouts about eating several small meals instead of larger ones. I just don't know what to offer him. And I know I need to somehow add extra calories. I have some of those BOOST drinks but he can't drink cold or even room temperature, and I don't think they would taste good heated.
I can't swallow room temperature either, but I hold in my mouth for a couple seconds, and then okay to swallow. That lasted for about 8 days past my last infusion. Which is also my second. But, he may also have the issue with just being room temp on the lips and in the mouth.
This is on this site. Look at the left links. It seems like a lot of information, so maybe one can help. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/survivorship-during-and-after-treatment/staying-active/nutrition/nutrition-during-treatment/common-problems.html
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spaghetti maybe? Rice and
spaghetti maybe? Rice and custard puddings can help maintain soem weight- custard has the eggs which are good in nutrrition and easy to digest- Carnation drinks will keep his vitamins and minerals up, is easy to make- quick and can be room temp water- quick way to get proteins too- easily digested usually- mashed up carrots, veggies, potatos- etc- I'm guessing not much is tastign good to him?
If you want quick way to gain more calories- check out muscle milk or similar nutritional drinks- they are suppsoed to add calories for weight lifters- muscle milk has a pretty good taste- i had to use it for awhile as i was down to 139 (I'm 6'3) at one point- quite sick with crohn's- all i could tolorate was bland foods, and easy to digest stuff liek custard and rice puddings for a little while (My stomach had ulcers bad from the crohn's) Musdcle milk was added and was able to pack on a few pounds fairly rapidly- Candy can add calories quicly too- but ya gotta eat a good amount- the added energy might help too- soem say sugar shoudl be avoided- but
I've also read no- do not avoid as he bodty needs as much energy as possible to stave off seriosu problems- just dont' over do it- I don't know which scenario is true- but cancer docs have weighed in on htis and many feel it's ok to have sugar, and may even be detrimental not to- you'll have to decide thoguh for yourself- Me- i was so weak i didn't care- and enjoyed the extra boost of energy when i was really sick-0 -
Food
Hello, thought I'd chime in here. I would make him cream soup and add as much protein powder as possible. I have changed my way of eating the last few years and the blender is great for getting veggies and nutrition into your foods. Have him eat spoonfuls of peanut butter throughout the day, it will fill him up, he can use the calories and protein. When my father broke his jaw, we would put all kinds of things in the blender. Mashed potatoes and meatloaf, hot gravy. It sounds gross, but he loved it, getting a hot salty "meal" through a straw. You can also steam cauliflower and mash it in the blender with some stock for your base. You could just use heavy cream, again, he could use the calories and fat. you can also make tea or coffee with heavy cream. If he is a coffee drinker, there is a drink called "bullet proof" coffee where you add hot coffee to a mixture of butter or MCT oil, and some other ingredients I can't remember. you could also make similiar hot drinks with tea. Smooth, soft cheeses like Havarti may also taste good to him. I know my husband hated me reminding him every hour or so to drink or eat. Even if I handed him something I thought would be good for him, he sometimes barked at me. I didn't take it personally because I know having cancer really sucks. We have to be creative to help our loved ones.
Linda
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Linda!LindaK. said:Food
Hello, thought I'd chime in here. I would make him cream soup and add as much protein powder as possible. I have changed my way of eating the last few years and the blender is great for getting veggies and nutrition into your foods. Have him eat spoonfuls of peanut butter throughout the day, it will fill him up, he can use the calories and protein. When my father broke his jaw, we would put all kinds of things in the blender. Mashed potatoes and meatloaf, hot gravy. It sounds gross, but he loved it, getting a hot salty "meal" through a straw. You can also steam cauliflower and mash it in the blender with some stock for your base. You could just use heavy cream, again, he could use the calories and fat. you can also make tea or coffee with heavy cream. If he is a coffee drinker, there is a drink called "bullet proof" coffee where you add hot coffee to a mixture of butter or MCT oil, and some other ingredients I can't remember. you could also make similiar hot drinks with tea. Smooth, soft cheeses like Havarti may also taste good to him. I know my husband hated me reminding him every hour or so to drink or eat. Even if I handed him something I thought would be good for him, he sometimes barked at me. I didn't take it personally because I know having cancer really sucks. We have to be creative to help our loved ones.
Linda
I just typed your name in my last post. How wonderful to see you here. You are always so good to come and help those in need. Bless you!
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My wife packed chicken rice
My wife packed chicken rice porridge for me. It's like a rice soup though thicker with chicken meatballs and a little soy sauce. It's very easy and manageable with the ileostomy and has a fair number of calories. She also makes pureed vegetable soups which work out well though that's for nutrition moreso than calories. If you want more calories, carbs are the way to go as they are easily digested.
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oh yes mikenh- i forgot to
oh yes mikenh- i forgot to mention rice is suppsoed to help bulk output too for htose with iliostomies or colostomies (if bulking is needed)- and is easily digestible, easy to make, etc- also for those needign to bulk up their ostomy output easily, try metamucil if you can take it- works pretty well for me- (I have liostomy with very watery output) I take 2 heaping teaspoons 3 tiems a day- keeps it fairly bulked up/formed almost- has made a world of difference in managing the ilio
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I do three to four servingsNazareth said:oh yes mikenh- i forgot to
oh yes mikenh- i forgot to mention rice is suppsoed to help bulk output too for htose with iliostomies or colostomies (if bulking is needed)- and is easily digestible, easy to make, etc- also for those needign to bulk up their ostomy output easily, try metamucil if you can take it- works pretty well for me- (I have liostomy with very watery output) I take 2 heaping teaspoons 3 tiems a day- keeps it fairly bulked up/formed almost- has made a world of difference in managing the ilio
I do three to four servings of Optifiber per day to bulk as I alternate between watery and pasty. It was a recommendation from the hospital when I was discharged.
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Thanks so much!
Thank you all for the tips! I went to the store today and got a variety of stuff for him. I also made him a casserole and that went well. I'm just having to remind him to eat small amounts often. He just doesn't want to eat!
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Potatoes
Mashed potatoes, mac and cheese and scrabbled eggs and warm bagel. Those are the only food I'd be able to eat. Something substantial but warm. Hope he does better. Thinking about you both.
Kim
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if it's because of nasea fromcaregiver3 said:Thanks so much!
Thank you all for the tips! I went to the store today and got a variety of stuff for him. I also made him a casserole and that went well. I'm just having to remind him to eat small amounts often. He just doesn't want to eat!
if it's because of nasea from the chemo- ask your onc about emend (aprepriant)- it made a world of diffetrence with me- completely stopped the nausea- the med is expensive, but worth it if that is what is causing him not to ant to eat- it costs about $600 for 3 pills (Which you take on the thre days of the chemo) - I also took my regular zofran and compazine too- they all worked to help stop the sickness-
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I hadn't heard of that one- IMikenh said:I do three to four servings
I do three to four servings of Optifiber per day to bulk as I alternate between watery and pasty. It was a recommendation from the hospital when I was discharged.
I hadn't heard of that one- I buy a generic metamucil from equate which is 1/2 the price of metamucil- meta is about $18 (in hte bulk size) and 8 in the equate version same size- and i think it works better- I'll check out your recommendation to though as the equate isn't always easy to get
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i just checked that one out-Mikenh said:I do three to four servings
I do three to four servings of Optifiber per day to bulk as I alternate between watery and pasty. It was a recommendation from the hospital when I was discharged.
i just checked that one out- about same price as metamucil- but it's clear- metamucil is psylium husks, which seem to absdorb water very well- You say the clear stuff from Optifiber does the same? (I think I'd rather take clear stuff- the fiber husks is a little hard to drink- makes me gag during chemo really- as it's kinda thick)
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Optifiber is Costco's houseNazareth said:I hadn't heard of that one- I
I hadn't heard of that one- I buy a generic metamucil from equate which is 1/2 the price of metamucil- meta is about $18 (in hte bulk size) and 8 in the equate version same size- and i think it works better- I'll check out your recommendation to though as the equate isn't always easy to get
Optifiber is Costco's house brand of Benefiber.
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I had to have feeding tubes.
I had to have feeding tubes. Tried every pill etc..no appetite and couldn't keep anything down. I started smoking pot. No shame. I actually ate by mouth...it was amazing. Just a suggestion if he's open to it. I know everyone feels differntly...but IMHO it's medicine and healthier than pharma. Foods for the especially nauseous person...applesauce, crackers, bites of cheese, leave foods like that on the counter to get warm. If he drinks coffee look up bulletproof coffee...add protein powder to it. I gained 4 lbs one week from just that. Ummm, simple foods like rice and a mashed or baked potato. Things with strong smells are horrible..eggs and meat cooking etc..think bland, simple etc... Oh! Fruit is almost always tolerable for many people. I wish I could be more help, but I think I lived on liquids and applesauce.
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Hello
Hi Sue, thanks for the welcome back. I do check in time to time still. Any time I can offer a suggestion to help someone going through treatment is a happy time for me. I lost my mom and a great nephew (full term stillborn) this summer within 5 weeks. It was a bad time for my family. This Christmas willl be hard but ilfe goes on. I hope you are well.
Linda
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