We've lost a friend

DJG1 said:

CONTACTING CSN
Hello Hondo,
I hope you are having a gerat trip and getting lots of R&R. I just clicked on the far right top "contact CSN". Not sure if anyone will get the message, but it is worth a try.

John,
Well for sure I cant type or spell, but I can tell you it is a fact. The statement was not made looking for buyers, just stating facts so that we are all a little smarter each day. I was not even looking for a debate.
Debbie

No Debate ~ DJG1
I'm not attacking you, and while you aren't looking for buyers, how can I not question your comments when you say it's fact....what fact, and what are your references sources.

If I see it in some legitimate and varifiable form of media, then I might accept it as fact....until then, I'm skeptical.

JG

Scam Buster
This is a very useful board, it’s not a board for the discussion of alternative treatment in any real sense, as Scam’s fate indicates.
When I first posted to this board, I announced I was going to try marijuana—with my doctor’s approval; tipped by an article I heard on radio by Dr. Dean Edell. Marijuana has long been used to treat symptoms of cancer treatment. The article Dr. Edell discussed had found a lower incidence of throat and head cancers among users, etc. Nothing definitive. I said I was going to give it a try, and would let people know if I had any results that seemed to be related to its use. I was roundly slapped for suggesting that people needed to smoke dope to cure or slow their cancer.
Our government is run by 3 industries energy(oil), pharmaceutical and financial(banks) and we have no way of fighting them. That is 75% of the wealth of this nation. I don’t have the exact figures, so you can skip the rest of this if you need them. The resistance to alternative treatment is no contemporary phenomenon. In the 1840s a pediatric doctor suggested that the washing of hands between seeing patients or visiting the morgue and the next customer seemed to be crucial in public health. Here is a brief excerpt of his story:
In the late 1840's, Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was an assistant in the maternity wards of a Vienna hospital. There he observed that the mortality rate in a delivery room staffed by medical students was up to three times higher than in a second delivery room staffed by midwives. In fact, women were terrified of the room staffed by the medical students. Semmelweis observed that the students were coming straight from their lessons in the autopsy room to the delivery room. He postulated that the students might be carrying the infection from their dissections to birthing mothers. He ordered doctors and medical students to wash their hands with a chlorinated solution before examining women in labor. The mortality rate in his maternity wards eventually dropped to less than one percent.
Dr. Ignaz was drummed out of the medical community and ridiculed as a handwashing nutso for his stance. It’s hard enough in any time to present alternative treatment ideas. If you don’t think the ACS, AMA, FDA, et.al., are controlled to a great degree by the pharma companies you’re naïve. A succinct example of the inexorable power of these entities to control the possibilities of future health can be easily explored by watching a film available all over the net on a Ph.D biochemist named Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski “who won the largest, and possibly the most convoluted and intriguing legal battle against the Food and Drug Administration in American history.” Google the name, or paste this link: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/06/11/burzynski-the-movie.aspx
No, I don’t have a dog in Burzynki’s fight. His methodology, for obvious reasons, was immaculate, but he was still piled on by pharma and FDA for suggesting a real alternative to cancer diagnosis and treatment.
The suggestion that Scam was involved in bigger, more sinister pursuits is ludicrous. What he was doing was more than enough to get him kicked off this board. Good for him for trying. I take more vitamins because of him. It doesn’t take a conspiracy, only fear, smugness, and the desire to support the status quo to keep us in line.
I don’t know if this post will last. Copy, paste, and re-post it if you want to send that message. Keep the board free.

Hal63

luv4lacrosse said:

CENSORSHIP
Scam had some stong and even controversial opinions, but that is what I like about this board and the group. While I may not agree 100% with his viewpoints, I respect his views, and was able to take a few suggestions from him and incorporate them into my daily life.

Is there any way we as a group can petition CSN to have him reinstated??

Mike

Group petition
That is what I would like to do. I like the sharing of diverse viewpoints, as long as people are respectful, which is how I felt about Scam's post. While I may not always have agreed, I found his comments to be thought provoking and informative. I would be interested.
Thanks
Stacey

Skiffin16 said:

No Debate ~ DJG1
I'm not attacking you, and while you aren't looking for buyers, how can I not question your comments when you say it's fact....what fact, and what are your references sources.

If I see it in some legitimate and varifiable form of media, then I might accept it as fact....until then, I'm skeptical.

JG

Yep
Reckon it's not just the collective contributions of all the Pharmas, but also all the other players in traditional C treatments. Think about the money- the billions in yearly C treatment revenue, ranging from the Pharmacy to the nuclear med centers to the hospitals to the lab techs to the Nurses to the ERs to the oncology and rad staffs and Drs to the PCP who starts the process, and to the hospitals and Operations, and stays there in the rough times, to the supplies needed to get thru treatments and to the Insurance companies, who virtually always turn a profit. Heckuva lot more than just the Pharma people wanting treatments to continue, as is.

As the saying goes: what if Dandelions were discovered to be the ultimate cure for C? Pick one out of your yard, eat it raw, and be cured of C. Would Roundup become a requirement for every house, by mandate of the government, so that only the Pharmas could grow the Dandelions in "special" places, and C centers administer to the patients in a "special" way/protocol, and monitor in "special" ways to be certain it is working for the patient? Or would the necessary side-effects have to be engineered into the Pharma Dandelions so that we'd have to go back to the chemo, rad and surgery days?

Personally, no Agenda is acceptable- all that matters is beating C for the health of the C Patient. Bottom-line.

kcass

DJG1 said:

Any CSN responses?
Hal and Kent Class, I appreciate and like you post. Dont be surprised if someone jumps in and slap you with their "I know it all approach". Fortunally most here are not that way and only want to share their experience and offer their support. I guess there is one in every crowd.

On the subject of Scam, I am curious if anyone received any response from CSN? I have Not.

Bad Manners
Accusing folks of having an "I know it all approach" is not a polite way to conduct a civilized discussion. There are a few posts I've seen that fall into the "it's an established fact" category, but that's not the same. These folks either back up their facts with real research (the kind that others can and have tested and replicated) or they ignore polite requests to back up their facts.

Kent Cass said:

Politely
Part of my main point was in regards to NPC and Scam's part of the world having more experience with it than we do. NPC also goes by the name of "Cantonese cancer" (refering to China), as it occurs there some "25 times" more frequently than any place else. And knowing how they deal with it over there seems to me a good thing to know of- if even only to be aware of other treatment possibilities. And for that, Scam was the only one I'm aware of who was providing any such info on this forum.

And, I didn't mean anything by my Dandelion story- other than to illustrate the obvious in regards to how financially dependent some Pharmaceuticals/Biotechs are in C chemo-type treatments we are using. It is big business/a high stakes game, and the source of millions in expenses and revenues for some companies. And I am aware of "Presentations" made by the Pharmas to Oncology groups of Drs, just as I know they have lobby people working for them in Washington. And I have seen reports with lists of Pharmas who make donations to the not-for-profit ACS, who I've read has some 7,000 employees. Treatments, as is, is big business, and the ACS is on the same team as the Pharmas, pretty much out of necessity for both. And I, for one, have so far benefited greatly from that team's efforts.


I, personally, want to give the ACS the benefit of the doubt, and consider myself on their side in just about everything- but I disagree on the banning of Scam. I reckon there are other sources to get the Asian scoop on H&N C, it's just that Scam made it easier for us who go onto this site, and he was one of us.

kcass

Always Politely
I did not get a chance to comment on his banning - I just don't know enough about the circumstances and we may never hear. Scam never offended me and he indicated to me that my comments did not offend him - I don't like the idea of banning anyone, unless they start attacking posters (which happened on both sides and was dealt with, it seems).

I'm drafting my note to the powers that be, but beyond that, maybe this should be in Scam's court? If he feels he was banned simply for beating the alternative treatment drum, he knows how to get in touch with us and ask us to intercede.

DJG1 said:

Any CSN responses?
Hal and Kent Class, I appreciate and like you post. Dont be surprised if someone jumps in and slap you with their "I know it all approach". Fortunally most here are not that way and only want to share their experience and offer their support. I guess there is one in every crowd.

On the subject of Scam, I am curious if anyone received any response from CSN? I have Not.

I Don't Know
I dunno - part of me thinks that perhaps to CSN, a member banning is a private thing (in a public forum, yeah I know) kind of like someone being "let go" at work. The employer would not be in the habit of announcing the reasoning behind each employee termination. I think it might be helpful, though, to those of us "left behind" if we could see a short statment - perhaps on the banned members' "About Me" page explaining that the member is no longer active and why (account has been inactive for x number of months/years, member broke rule x, etc.).

Good to see you post again, Deb - hoping we don't see you as much here 'cause you're just too busy getting back life.

Wow

I am sorry that I even registered on this site. I will be leaving now. The only reason I even registered was to see Scam's photos. Alternatives to traditional western medicine are where my interests lie. I have found that the AMA is very narrow minded and poorly educated when it comes to nutrition and many other things that are essential to good health. Shame on them, they should call it the "Hypocrit" Oath, not the "Hippocratic Oath"

I'm speechless again

RIP my friend. You were there for me when I first became a member of this "invitation only family." You helped me and were there for me when I needed to vent. I did not agree with you from time to time, but ALWAYS RESPECTED your opinion. You were one of the first family members here who "sacked up" and said what you said and always had a form of reference for what you said.

You will be missed!!

Mike

Tanager75 said:

Strength

I consider diversity a strenth.  I do not know what happened with Scam but hope all keep expressing their opinions.  I promise not to flag even if you are rude to me (there is some inside humor in this remark).  For any new comers, I like this site. It has been helpful even when controversy is present. I will be selfish and continue to view what helps me and trust there are grown ups watching to keep us in line. Keep the ideas flowing and keep living. 

Peace,

 

mark

 

ScamBuster ~ 2011 Thread

As far as I know, Craig (scambuster) is alive and well in Asia with the company that he works for..., though I haven't heard from him in awhile.

Scam being kicked from the board was more involved than just one or two posts, if I remember, it was several and continued after requests from CSN to limit posting about Black Salve mainly I believe..., not sure of all of the specifics. But it wasn't a one post reaction...

I'm neither pro/con as far as the happenings...

I can say the site is owned by ACS and there are specific guidelines for posting on the site, and unintentional liability.

Scam is a nice guy and was posting something he is/was passionate about. But I'm pretty sure there were other survivors that took offense to some of the postings and brought it to CSN..., not sure.

Anyways, just some of the rest of the story as I remember...

JG