Question on cutting out sugar / red meat?

I follow a Mediterranian style diet. No red meat. Avoid sugar and sat. fat. I eat lots of fruit and vegetables. I also have green tea every day and use tumerric as much as possible. So far its been working for me along with lots of exercise and some supplements. I am Stage IV and have been NED for 4.5 years.

Randy33 said:

Diet

I follow a Mediterranian style diet. No red meat. Avoid sugar and sat. fat. I eat lots of fruit and vegetables. I also have green tea every day and use tumerric as much as possible. So far its been working for me along with lots of exercise and some supplements. I am Stage IV and have been NED for 4.5 years.

          

We eat a Med diet also.  Little to no red meat.  (Once a month for grass fed red meat.)  There are numerous studies linking red meat to Colo Cancer. The facts that the cultures whom eat a lot of red meat have more then average colo cancer.  With the exception of Argentina. Their beef is also not fulll of antibiotics and is grass fed not grain fed. 

Chicken and Fish are great sources of protein.  Beans, lentis, Peas, rice are also good sources of carbos and proteins.  We eat a large salad at Lunch and Dinner.  We also add Mushrooms to at least one meal a day.  We grow our own green tea and dry the leafs for year round use.  We drink about a liter of green tea every day.  Not only is it soothing to the somach, it keeps us hydratedd in the high altitude.

I believe the battle for cancer is foiught on many levels. I am trying to fight on as many as I can.  Juicing also makes a lot of sense.  We happen to like juicing and juicing adds a lot of micro and macro nutrient to our diet. (Unlike a vitamin pill, Juice is balanced.)

Just getting out of the hospital and eating their industrial food, I was completely run down.  Adding salads and fresh food back in my diet has already picked me back up.

Best Always,  mike

John23 said:

Diets?

 

You can read my history by clicking on my name and going to the “profile page”.

 

No change in diet for me. It’s like shutting the gate after the horse has run off, isn’t it?

 

There is absolutely no serious “proof” that eating red meat causes or promotes cancer. People in their 70s, 80, 90s, and beyond have eaten red meat all their lives.

 

Likewise, plain white sugar is not a problem, while ingesting products that try to fool the body into thinking it’s getting something it’s not, can be a very major problem. Do we really want the pancreas manufacturing insulin to offset glucose that isn’t really being ingested?

 

Eat and enjoy life. We can’t prevent a dying cell from starting a new life using the fermentation process, only our immune system can. That’s what cancer is all about.

 

Anything that can damage a good cell can cause that now defective cell to live on by using the fermentation process. Burnt foods can damage cells, a high fat diet, alcohol, or tobacco can, but so can the very natural process by which each cell divides and grows. It isn’t the “cause” of cancer; our body’s immune system’s neglect to remove that defective cell, is. It is the reason some get cancer, and some never do.

 

Eat a -well rounded diet-, just as we were designed to do – that’s what “being healthy” is all about.

 

(could you pass me the French fries?)

 

 

Be well.

 

John

 

After being diagnosed, that was one of my questions to three of my doctors and they said that nothing that was in my diet caused my cancer - and although eating steak bothers my stomach now (still eat it though), it's only about twice a month, but enjoy every bite, oh and it is always accompanied by lobster or crab legs - yummy.

Kim

Lovekitties said:

FYI

All my ancestors for as far back as I know were raised on a farmers diet which contained much red meat, sugar and carbs and they all lived good, prosperous lives well into their 80's, so I would viamently disagree with the "deadly" comment about John's post.

You do what you feel is best for you.  Allow others to do the same, without this type of comment, please.

Marie who loves kitties

 

it seems to me that if the cultures that eat lots of red meat, precessed foods, and tons of garbage carbs have a ridiculously higher per capita rate of colorectal cancer regardless of race is proof enough, those statistics alone qualify as a 'clinical study'. these dietary factors seem to combine with genetic dispositions, because cancers develope in all societies, but our society is, like i said, incredibly disproportionate in cancer rates.

oh and please, individual cases, like 'people who ate red meat and lived into their 80's that i know', etc., is like 'my grandma smoked into her 90's therefore smoking is okay'. please. 

if not the diet, what is it? the preponderance of electrical devices?

johnsnowden said:

diet and genetics

it seems to me that if the cultures that eat lots of red meat, precessed foods, and tons of garbage carbs have a ridiculously higher per capita rate of colorectal cancer regardless of race is proof enough, those statistics alone qualify as a 'clinical study'. these dietary factors seem to combine with genetic dispositions, because cancers develope in all societies, but our society is, like i said, incredibly disproportionate in cancer rates.

oh and please, individual cases, like 'people who ate red meat and lived into their 80's that i know', etc., is like 'my grandma smoked into her 90's therefore smoking is okay'. please. 

if not the diet, what is it? the preponderance of electrical devices?

I was not talking about an ancestor or two...I was talking about 5 or 6 generations with families of 10 and 12 children who are documented in a book written by my mother.

What has caused cancer to rise to such recent levels of the world population?  If anyone could prove a single cause, they would be the most celebrated scientist. 

The bottom line is that identical twins, raised in the same manner and environment...one can get cancer and one may not.  How does that work?  Why?  I don't have the answer.

A good balanced diet is not "deadly".  Cancer is.

by the way, my comment to Pete was to once again ask him to allow others to express an opinion, without bashing others opinions.  Differing opinions can be expressed without it.

I have mostly eaten a mediterranean diet my entire life and here I am with colon cancer.  But.....I was a smoker for many years (smoke free for as many years) and have had a lifetime irritable bowel.  So, I don't know how much a part of it diet played in my diagnosis.   I do believe that a good healthy diet promotes good health by strengthening the immune system.  I think that eating lots of fruits, vegetables, and lean meats can help. (I don't claim to know everything). 

In my case, my family all believe that stress caused mine and if they can help eliminate my stress, that I will be cancer free.  Maybe so since I tend to "swallow" my stress.  IDK.

Anyway.....  there is some good advice above including a healthy diet, exercise, and relaxation.   My advice- Do it! 

johnsnowden said:

diet and genetics

it seems to me that if the cultures that eat lots of red meat, precessed foods, and tons of garbage carbs have a ridiculously higher per capita rate of colorectal cancer regardless of race is proof enough, those statistics alone qualify as a 'clinical study'. these dietary factors seem to combine with genetic dispositions, because cancers develope in all societies, but our society is, like i said, incredibly disproportionate in cancer rates.

oh and please, individual cases, like 'people who ate red meat and lived into their 80's that i know', etc., is like 'my grandma smoked into her 90's therefore smoking is okay'. please. 

if not the diet, what is it? the preponderance of electrical devices?

MaryCarol5 said:

I have mostly eaten a

I have mostly eaten a mediterranean diet my entire life and here I am with colon cancer.  But.....I was a smoker for many years (smoke free for as many years) and have had a lifetime irritable bowel.  So, I don't know how much a part of it diet played in my diagnosis.   I do believe that a good healthy diet promotes good health by strengthening the immune system.  I think that eating lots of fruits, vegetables, and lean meats can help. (I don't claim to know everything). 

In my case, my family all believe that stress caused mine and if they can help eliminate my stress, that I will be cancer free.  Maybe so since I tend to "swallow" my stress.  IDK.

Anyway.....  there is some good advice above including a healthy diet, exercise, and relaxation.   My advice- Do it! 

www.health24.com/Diet-and-nutrition/News/Chew-more-to-retain-more-energy-20130717

During a Q&A on CRC, Dr Saltz discussed findings about the value of diet and exercise for Stage 3 patients. Probably applies to all Stages.

Start at minute 8, unless you want to listen to entire discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5frjtvk1Lw 

If you are inclined to do your own research use Google Scholar and PubMed and search out answer to your questions.    Lots of information...

No offence to anyone here - lots of good information on this site which you should search out, but last thing you want to do is rely on opinions which aren't backed up by at least some level of evidence.   Anecdotes about family members is not evidence.  People telling you what they do and encouraging you to do the same is not evidence.  Worst of all, and irresponsible, are people telling you that they eat red meat and therefore you should too..I don't get that.

Seriously, there are many studies, some good some not so good, but many pointing to the value of a diet based primarily on plants.   I haven't seen any studies, zero,  which provide evidence that eating a standard american diet will cause cancer to regress.  Take the time to research a little.  Ok to use what people on this site suggest as starting points but look for supporting information.  For example,  look at some of the information Dr Greger has compiled on the link between nutrition and disease ( http://nutritionfacts.org/ ).   Dr Greger provides many short research summaries on diet and disease connections.   You can use the search tool to find colon cancer related videos an articles  http://nutritionfacts.org/index.php?s=colon+cancer.   Dr Li of the Angiogenesis  Foundation presents data which suggests that many plant substances dial down cellular signals which promote tumor growth.  Diet affects gene expression and cell signalling which in turn can affect cancer progression.   

If you are well enough make the effort to inform yourself - diet, exercise, ans stress reduction can make a difference.    

good luck

peter

PS   don't forget to exercise if you are able...