How many of our Cancers were caused by alcohol and cigarettes
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Well I got gum cancer andtommyodavey said:Still Smoked
My father in law had tongue cancer back in the late 70's at age 57. Had surgery and the full RT with extra rads because he took it so well.
During the whole time he continued to smoke and drink. He eventually passed from pancreatic cancer at 74.
So to me it makes no sense at all. Can you blame his cancer on smoking and drinking? Then why didn't it come back within a few years?
Just more fluff for the conversation. It really means nothing.
Well I got gum cancer and had my mandible removed and I've never smoked and don't drink.0 -
95%joannaw81 said:tough question
well, my mom's doctor said that her cancer was caused by smoking and drinking (she is a recvered alcohoic, she stopped drinking 6 years ago) however we are from Europe and we were exposed to radiation from Czarnobyl in 1980's, they say this might have contributed to it as well. I also agree with Pam's post....
When I was diagnosed in 2005 my doctors told me that 95% of head/neck cancers were caused by smoking and/or smoking and drinking. I qualified and wasn't looking for someone or something to blame anyway. What is the point (although Chernobyl might be another story)?
Now they are aware that a sexually transmitted disease (HPV) can be a cause. Do you want to blame all of the partners you ever had, or perhaps your own promiscuity if you are a head/neck cancer survivor? Why?
The point, I would think, is to quit any such negative behavior (nothing like getting your tongue cut on to cure you of the smoking habit...worked for me, anyway). The point is to take care of business with respect to treatment and take care of self with positive behavior (and environment).
Just an opinion, of course. (And if you make it disease-free for five years, there was, in 2005, anyway, also a 95% chance that the cancer would not come back.)
Take care,
Joe0 -
Never smoked, no drinks
I hate alcohol, drugs and drinks. None of this made part of my life in 29 y and then i had tongue cancer.0 -
Use your energy wisely
How we got this is not the question for us. It is. Supporting each other and fighting it is a good focus for us now. Learning from each other as we move forward, enjoying each day, negotiating the holes in the road that some of us face, that's where we can be proactive and, God willing, experience some victories.
In my experience, guilt tripping is about power...don't give them any!0 -
Use your energy wisely
How we got this is not the question for us. It is. Supporting each other and fighting it is a good focus for us now. Learning from each other as we move forward, enjoying each day, negotiating the holes in the road that some of us face, that's where we can be proactive and, God willing, experience some victories.
In my experience, guilt tripping is about power...don't give them any!0 -
Cause and EffectCaKat said:Use your energy wisely
How we got this is not the question for us. It is. Supporting each other and fighting it is a good focus for us now. Learning from each other as we move forward, enjoying each day, negotiating the holes in the road that some of us face, that's where we can be proactive and, God willing, experience some victories.
In my experience, guilt tripping is about power...don't give them any!
Oh the high cost of low livin. Smoking and drinking and strange things like
eating, and who would have thought, Kissing? Who Knows? Nice to be here
talkin to ya.
P.S. Got the T-SHIRT
Best,
Steve0 -
SFLPam M said:Thanks, Family
Your Fault?!? Last I heard, beer was not a contributing factor.
while we're at it, let's blame Uncle Rick for treating the lawn you played on as a child with chemicals. And Aunt Sue for taking you out for fast food weekly. And your sister for getting you to spend your birthday money on candy. And Grampa for living in that house with the weird fungus growing on the storage shed out back. And Gramma for putting petroleum jelly on your face tofight dryness. And Mom for not providing you with ideal nutrition 24/7. And Dad for not instilling in your little head the importance of daily exercise. And society for making us feel we MUST apply the makeup containing known carcinogens to look acceptable. The list could go on. My tumor was HPV negative; my doc said we can't tell what caused my cancer - probably a combination of factors.
It is what it is. Personally, I think that maybe your family members who don't drink or smoke want to think that those are surely the reasons you had cancer - that way they can feel personally "safe".
My BOT cells were MEC and I am HPV-. I have never been a smoker, but I do enjoy wine on a regular basis. My lead oncologist told me that my cancer had very little, if any, chance of happening from lifestyle/behavior. He called it "very bad luck." I called it SFL. The last word is 'luck'--you can probably figure out the first two words.
HNC is difficult enough to deal with as it is. Adding self guilt or allowing others to say "Told you so" only makes the mountain back to good health harder to climb.0 -
Causes of cancer
Your post got me thinking of all the ways I could have contracted this disease.
Known cancer causing agents that I have encountered in my lifetime.
From my childhood environment: (I lived next to large chemical factory)
Dioxin
DDT
Styrene
PCB’s
Sunshine at high altitudes (sunburns)
Suntan beds. They told me they were safe.
Biomass fuel (wood smoke)
Wood dust ( I used to heat with wood and cut my own wood)
Second hand smoke
Drinking alcohol, but not excessive
Drinking diet drinks with aspartame. Excessive!
BPA (the stuff in plastic and in can liners)
Radon
Nonstick cookware at high temps
Frying meat at high temps
Food dyes
Circadian disruption (I worked non standard shifts most of my life)
Plus the treatments for cancer that also can cause cancer:
Chemotherapy agents
Ionizing radiation
CT scan
Gamma Ray scan
Plus more I’m sure. The main cause would be real hard to pinpoint.0 -
Didn't drink or smoke.....
I didn't drink or smoke. My family's genetics are not working in my favor, although all of my family that has/had developed cancer of one type or another were heavy smokers/smokeless tobacco users and drank a good bit too. I was/am still trying to be a healthy living guy. I exercised regulary and ate reasonably well too.
i suppose a person could chase reasons all day. i am just really glad to be cancer free and getting to my new normal.0 -
You bet ya!Pam M said:Thanks, Family
Your Fault?!? Last I heard, beer was not a contributing factor.
while we're at it, let's blame Uncle Rick for treating the lawn you played on as a child with chemicals. And Aunt Sue for taking you out for fast food weekly. And your sister for getting you to spend your birthday money on candy. And Grampa for living in that house with the weird fungus growing on the storage shed out back. And Gramma for putting petroleum jelly on your face tofight dryness. And Mom for not providing you with ideal nutrition 24/7. And Dad for not instilling in your little head the importance of daily exercise. And society for making us feel we MUST apply the makeup containing known carcinogens to look acceptable. The list could go on. My tumor was HPV negative; my doc said we can't tell what caused my cancer - probably a combination of factors.
It is what it is. Personally, I think that maybe your family members who don't drink or smoke want to think that those are surely the reasons you had cancer - that way they can feel personally "safe".
@Pam M - Good job, wonder who those individuals will blame when one of them comes down with cancer, its not real picking who it decides to impact!0 -
21 years and counting!soccerfreaks said:95%
When I was diagnosed in 2005 my doctors told me that 95% of head/neck cancers were caused by smoking and/or smoking and drinking. I qualified and wasn't looking for someone or something to blame anyway. What is the point (although Chernobyl might be another story)?
Now they are aware that a sexually transmitted disease (HPV) can be a cause. Do you want to blame all of the partners you ever had, or perhaps your own promiscuity if you are a head/neck cancer survivor? Why?
The point, I would think, is to quit any such negative behavior (nothing like getting your tongue cut on to cure you of the smoking habit...worked for me, anyway). The point is to take care of business with respect to treatment and take care of self with positive behavior (and environment).
Just an opinion, of course. (And if you make it disease-free for five years, there was, in 2005, anyway, also a 95% chance that the cancer would not come back.)
Take care,
Joe
@soccerfreaks - I agree do not dwell on its causes, your going to have more than enough to worry about than what caused what. I actually quit smoking before I got sick, my head and neck cancer was at the base of the tongue, non operable stage IV at the time and I've found that even though you are cancer free after five years, your never treatment complications free. You learn to deal with it, stay positive as you said, try to get yourself knowledgeable about your treatments and the things that you can control.
Ron0 -
How many of our cancers were caused by...jeepman said:Didn't drink or smoke.....
I didn't drink or smoke. My family's genetics are not working in my favor, although all of my family that has/had developed cancer of one type or another were heavy smokers/smokeless tobacco users and drank a good bit too. I was/am still trying to be a healthy living guy. I exercised regulary and ate reasonably well too.
i suppose a person could chase reasons all day. i am just really glad to be cancer free and getting to my new normal.
Now, any diabetics out there might want to look away but...
As i am new here I have spent some time reading through as many posts as possible. Way back to page 92!
Not everyone smoked, not everyone drank but it seems that the common denominator with everyone on this site is human warmth, compassion and general goodliness.
Hmmmmm.....0 -
Thank you all
Thank you all for your responses, you have made me feel good about myself for the first time in a long time and I am so appreciative to have friends0 -
Feeling good about yourselfsharonwright said:Thank you all
Thank you all for your responses, you have made me feel good about myself for the first time in a long time and I am so appreciative to have friends
Don't allow yourself to be judged. It is not their right. Here's a list of support organizations for you:
http://ontopofcancer.org/throat_cancer_support_group.php#board
If people are going to judge you, either for past behaviors, or for current looks, you don't need them. Surround yourself with people who uplift you. It's sad we have to have these huge life crises to learn that.
Pat0 -
agreeRJC-still-vertical said:21 years and counting!
@soccerfreaks - I agree do not dwell on its causes, your going to have more than enough to worry about than what caused what. I actually quit smoking before I got sick, my head and neck cancer was at the base of the tongue, non operable stage IV at the time and I've found that even though you are cancer free after five years, your never treatment complications free. You learn to deal with it, stay positive as you said, try to get yourself knowledgeable about your treatments and the things that you can control.
Ron
ron, nicely put i agree with all.
congrats on you 21 plus years
john0 -
LOTTERYlongtermsurvivor said:Feeling good about yourself
Don't allow yourself to be judged. It is not their right. Here's a list of support organizations for you:
http://ontopofcancer.org/throat_cancer_support_group.php#board
If people are going to judge you, either for past behaviors, or for current looks, you don't need them. Surround yourself with people who uplift you. It's sad we have to have these huge life crises to learn that.
Pat
Life is a lottery, you come into the world and u take your chances. I do not believe it to be any deeper than that. If you are unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer, altering the odds by changing your lifestyle is perhaps a wise choice. Who knows for sure. I survived to tell the story and don't drink nor smoke anymore and started eating more vegetables, chicken and fish and much less saturated fats. I consider myself cured and live a wonderful life. I wish you all the same.0 -
Nicely putbabs.smile said:LOTTERY
Life is a lottery, you come into the world and u take your chances. I do not believe it to be any deeper than that. If you are unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer, altering the odds by changing your lifestyle is perhaps a wise choice. Who knows for sure. I survived to tell the story and don't drink nor smoke anymore and started eating more vegetables, chicken and fish and much less saturated fats. I consider myself cured and live a wonderful life. I wish you all the same.
To you too.0 -
babsbabs.smile said:LOTTERY
Life is a lottery, you come into the world and u take your chances. I do not believe it to be any deeper than that. If you are unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer, altering the odds by changing your lifestyle is perhaps a wise choice. Who knows for sure. I survived to tell the story and don't drink nor smoke anymore and started eating more vegetables, chicken and fish and much less saturated fats. I consider myself cured and live a wonderful life. I wish you all the same.
Welcome to CSN. i agree with your first post here and look forward to your many posts in the future
Here's one, i did not smoke, i did not drink but 2-3 a month at the most, i was only 38.... so i continued not to smoke, if i drink and try one a month i am not sure it counts, now 54 soon to be 55 and as i get older the reduction of sex has hugely reduced.
so maybe i was wise to change my life style..... LOL
Life if wonderful.... just different degree's of wonderful
john0
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