How many of our Cancers were caused by alcohol and cigarettes

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  • Debi16043
    Debi16043 Member Posts: 53

    Still Smoked
    My father in law had tongue cancer back in the late 70's at age 57. Had surgery and the full RT with extra rads because he took it so well.

    During the whole time he continued to smoke and drink. He eventually passed from pancreatic cancer at 74.

    So to me it makes no sense at all. Can you blame his cancer on smoking and drinking? Then why didn't it come back within a few years?

    Just more fluff for the conversation. It really means nothing.

    Well I got gum cancer and
    Well I got gum cancer and had my mandible removed and I've never smoked and don't drink.
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    joannaw81 said:

    tough question
    well, my mom's doctor said that her cancer was caused by smoking and drinking (she is a recvered alcohoic, she stopped drinking 6 years ago) however we are from Europe and we were exposed to radiation from Czarnobyl in 1980's, they say this might have contributed to it as well. I also agree with Pam's post....

    95%
    When I was diagnosed in 2005 my doctors told me that 95% of head/neck cancers were caused by smoking and/or smoking and drinking. I qualified and wasn't looking for someone or something to blame anyway. What is the point (although Chernobyl might be another story)?

    Now they are aware that a sexually transmitted disease (HPV) can be a cause. Do you want to blame all of the partners you ever had, or perhaps your own promiscuity if you are a head/neck cancer survivor? Why?

    The point, I would think, is to quit any such negative behavior (nothing like getting your tongue cut on to cure you of the smoking habit...worked for me, anyway). The point is to take care of business with respect to treatment and take care of self with positive behavior (and environment).

    Just an opinion, of course. (And if you make it disease-free for five years, there was, in 2005, anyway, also a 95% chance that the cancer would not come back.)

    Take care,

    Joe
  • braziliangirl82
    braziliangirl82 Member Posts: 42
    Never smoked, no drinks
    I hate alcohol, drugs and drinks. None of this made part of my life in 29 y and then i had tongue cancer.
  • CaKat
    CaKat Member Posts: 28
    Use your energy wisely
    How we got this is not the question for us. It is. Supporting each other and fighting it is a good focus for us now. Learning from each other as we move forward, enjoying each day, negotiating the holes in the road that some of us face, that's where we can be proactive and, God willing, experience some victories.
    In my experience, guilt tripping is about power...don't give them any!
  • CaKat
    CaKat Member Posts: 28
    Use your energy wisely
    How we got this is not the question for us. It is. Supporting each other and fighting it is a good focus for us now. Learning from each other as we move forward, enjoying each day, negotiating the holes in the road that some of us face, that's where we can be proactive and, God willing, experience some victories.
    In my experience, guilt tripping is about power...don't give them any!
  • stevenl
    stevenl Member Posts: 587
    CaKat said:

    Use your energy wisely
    How we got this is not the question for us. It is. Supporting each other and fighting it is a good focus for us now. Learning from each other as we move forward, enjoying each day, negotiating the holes in the road that some of us face, that's where we can be proactive and, God willing, experience some victories.
    In my experience, guilt tripping is about power...don't give them any!

    Cause and Effect
    Oh the high cost of low livin. Smoking and drinking and strange things like
    eating, and who would have thought, Kissing? Who Knows? Nice to be here
    talkin to ya.
    P.S. Got the T-SHIRT
    Best,
    Steve
  • Mikemetz
    Mikemetz Member Posts: 465 Member
    Pam M said:

    Thanks, Family
    Your Fault?!? Last I heard, beer was not a contributing factor.

    while we're at it, let's blame Uncle Rick for treating the lawn you played on as a child with chemicals. And Aunt Sue for taking you out for fast food weekly. And your sister for getting you to spend your birthday money on candy. And Grampa for living in that house with the weird fungus growing on the storage shed out back. And Gramma for putting petroleum jelly on your face tofight dryness. And Mom for not providing you with ideal nutrition 24/7. And Dad for not instilling in your little head the importance of daily exercise. And society for making us feel we MUST apply the makeup containing known carcinogens to look acceptable. The list could go on. My tumor was HPV negative; my doc said we can't tell what caused my cancer - probably a combination of factors.

    It is what it is. Personally, I think that maybe your family members who don't drink or smoke want to think that those are surely the reasons you had cancer - that way they can feel personally "safe".

    SFL
    My BOT cells were MEC and I am HPV-. I have never been a smoker, but I do enjoy wine on a regular basis. My lead oncologist told me that my cancer had very little, if any, chance of happening from lifestyle/behavior. He called it "very bad luck." I called it SFL. The last word is 'luck'--you can probably figure out the first two words.

    HNC is difficult enough to deal with as it is. Adding self guilt or allowing others to say "Told you so" only makes the mountain back to good health harder to climb.
  • snowdancer
    snowdancer Member Posts: 9
    Causes of cancer
    Your post got me thinking of all the ways I could have contracted this disease.

    Known cancer causing agents that I have encountered in my lifetime.

    From my childhood environment: (I lived next to large chemical factory)
    Dioxin
    DDT
    Styrene
    PCB’s

    Sunshine at high altitudes (sunburns)
    Suntan beds. They told me they were safe.
    Biomass fuel (wood smoke)
    Wood dust ( I used to heat with wood and cut my own wood)
    Second hand smoke
    Drinking alcohol, but not excessive
    Drinking diet drinks with aspartame. Excessive!
    BPA (the stuff in plastic and in can liners)
    Radon
    Nonstick cookware at high temps
    Frying meat at high temps
    Food dyes
    Circadian disruption (I worked non standard shifts most of my life)

    Plus the treatments for cancer that also can cause cancer:
    Chemotherapy agents
    Ionizing radiation
    CT scan
    Gamma Ray scan

    Plus more I’m sure. The main cause would be real hard to pinpoint.
  • jeepman
    jeepman Member Posts: 109
    Didn't drink or smoke.....
    I didn't drink or smoke. My family's genetics are not working in my favor, although all of my family that has/had developed cancer of one type or another were heavy smokers/smokeless tobacco users and drank a good bit too. I was/am still trying to be a healthy living guy. I exercised regulary and ate reasonably well too.
    i suppose a person could chase reasons all day. i am just really glad to be cancer free and getting to my new normal.
  • Pam M said:

    Thanks, Family
    Your Fault?!? Last I heard, beer was not a contributing factor.

    while we're at it, let's blame Uncle Rick for treating the lawn you played on as a child with chemicals. And Aunt Sue for taking you out for fast food weekly. And your sister for getting you to spend your birthday money on candy. And Grampa for living in that house with the weird fungus growing on the storage shed out back. And Gramma for putting petroleum jelly on your face tofight dryness. And Mom for not providing you with ideal nutrition 24/7. And Dad for not instilling in your little head the importance of daily exercise. And society for making us feel we MUST apply the makeup containing known carcinogens to look acceptable. The list could go on. My tumor was HPV negative; my doc said we can't tell what caused my cancer - probably a combination of factors.

    It is what it is. Personally, I think that maybe your family members who don't drink or smoke want to think that those are surely the reasons you had cancer - that way they can feel personally "safe".

    You bet ya!
    @Pam M - Good job, wonder who those individuals will blame when one of them comes down with cancer, its not real picking who it decides to impact!
  • 95%
    When I was diagnosed in 2005 my doctors told me that 95% of head/neck cancers were caused by smoking and/or smoking and drinking. I qualified and wasn't looking for someone or something to blame anyway. What is the point (although Chernobyl might be another story)?

    Now they are aware that a sexually transmitted disease (HPV) can be a cause. Do you want to blame all of the partners you ever had, or perhaps your own promiscuity if you are a head/neck cancer survivor? Why?

    The point, I would think, is to quit any such negative behavior (nothing like getting your tongue cut on to cure you of the smoking habit...worked for me, anyway). The point is to take care of business with respect to treatment and take care of self with positive behavior (and environment).

    Just an opinion, of course. (And if you make it disease-free for five years, there was, in 2005, anyway, also a 95% chance that the cancer would not come back.)

    Take care,

    Joe

    21 years and counting!
    @soccerfreaks - I agree do not dwell on its causes, your going to have more than enough to worry about than what caused what. I actually quit smoking before I got sick, my head and neck cancer was at the base of the tongue, non operable stage IV at the time and I've found that even though you are cancer free after five years, your never treatment complications free. You learn to deal with it, stay positive as you said, try to get yourself knowledgeable about your treatments and the things that you can control.

    Ron
  • Larrykins
    Larrykins Member Posts: 38 Member
    jeepman said:

    Didn't drink or smoke.....
    I didn't drink or smoke. My family's genetics are not working in my favor, although all of my family that has/had developed cancer of one type or another were heavy smokers/smokeless tobacco users and drank a good bit too. I was/am still trying to be a healthy living guy. I exercised regulary and ate reasonably well too.
    i suppose a person could chase reasons all day. i am just really glad to be cancer free and getting to my new normal.

    How many of our cancers were caused by...
    Now, any diabetics out there might want to look away but...

    As i am new here I have spent some time reading through as many posts as possible. Way back to page 92!
    Not everyone smoked, not everyone drank but it seems that the common denominator with everyone on this site is human warmth, compassion and general goodliness.
    Hmmmmm.....
  • Christmas
    Christmas Member Posts: 100
    Genetics?
    My mother passed away at 58 from breast cancer. She does not smoke nor drink.
    I am an NPC survivor. I dont' smoke nor drink.
    My younger sister was just treated for uterine cancer. She does not smoke nor drink.

    It is not your fault that you have cancer!
  • sharonwright
    sharonwright Member Posts: 6
    Thank you all
    Thank you all for your responses, you have made me feel good about myself for the first time in a long time and I am so appreciative to have friends
  • longtermsurvivor
    longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,842 Member

    Thank you all
    Thank you all for your responses, you have made me feel good about myself for the first time in a long time and I am so appreciative to have friends

    Feeling good about yourself
    Don't allow yourself to be judged. It is not their right. Here's a list of support organizations for you:

    http://ontopofcancer.org/throat_cancer_support_group.php#board

    If people are going to judge you, either for past behaviors, or for current looks, you don't need them. Surround yourself with people who uplift you. It's sad we have to have these huge life crises to learn that.


    Pat
  • fisrpotpe
    fisrpotpe Member Posts: 1,349 Member

    21 years and counting!
    @soccerfreaks - I agree do not dwell on its causes, your going to have more than enough to worry about than what caused what. I actually quit smoking before I got sick, my head and neck cancer was at the base of the tongue, non operable stage IV at the time and I've found that even though you are cancer free after five years, your never treatment complications free. You learn to deal with it, stay positive as you said, try to get yourself knowledgeable about your treatments and the things that you can control.

    Ron

    agree
    ron, nicely put i agree with all.

    congrats on you 21 plus years

    john
  • babs.smile
    babs.smile Member Posts: 1

    Feeling good about yourself
    Don't allow yourself to be judged. It is not their right. Here's a list of support organizations for you:

    http://ontopofcancer.org/throat_cancer_support_group.php#board

    If people are going to judge you, either for past behaviors, or for current looks, you don't need them. Surround yourself with people who uplift you. It's sad we have to have these huge life crises to learn that.


    Pat

    LOTTERY
    Life is a lottery, you come into the world and u take your chances. I do not believe it to be any deeper than that. If you are unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer, altering the odds by changing your lifestyle is perhaps a wise choice. Who knows for sure. I survived to tell the story and don't drink nor smoke anymore and started eating more vegetables, chicken and fish and much less saturated fats. I consider myself cured and live a wonderful life. I wish you all the same.
  • Larrykins
    Larrykins Member Posts: 38 Member

    LOTTERY
    Life is a lottery, you come into the world and u take your chances. I do not believe it to be any deeper than that. If you are unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer, altering the odds by changing your lifestyle is perhaps a wise choice. Who knows for sure. I survived to tell the story and don't drink nor smoke anymore and started eating more vegetables, chicken and fish and much less saturated fats. I consider myself cured and live a wonderful life. I wish you all the same.

    Nicely put
    To you too.
  • fisrpotpe
    fisrpotpe Member Posts: 1,349 Member

    LOTTERY
    Life is a lottery, you come into the world and u take your chances. I do not believe it to be any deeper than that. If you are unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer, altering the odds by changing your lifestyle is perhaps a wise choice. Who knows for sure. I survived to tell the story and don't drink nor smoke anymore and started eating more vegetables, chicken and fish and much less saturated fats. I consider myself cured and live a wonderful life. I wish you all the same.

    babs
    Welcome to CSN. i agree with your first post here and look forward to your many posts in the future

    Here's one, i did not smoke, i did not drink but 2-3 a month at the most, i was only 38.... so i continued not to smoke, if i drink and try one a month i am not sure it counts, now 54 soon to be 55 and as i get older the reduction of sex has hugely reduced.

    so maybe i was wise to change my life style..... LOL

    Life if wonderful.... just different degree's of wonderful

    john