Soy Soy go away!!!
Blessings to youall
Annie in Texas
1998 Diagnosis left Breast
2008 recurrence left hip and femur
On femara and Lupron shots to keep estrogen down.
after 15 months bones were still clean.
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I was told to avoid soy as
I was told to avoid soy as much as possible, but, even my oncologist said that is impossible. Unfortunately, soy is hidden in many foods, so, you could be getting it and not know it. I wish you good luck in being soy free! Let us know any tips that you might have!
Good luck,
Noel0 -
my doctor oked soy
for me--perhaps because I am triple negative, I don't know. I did ask and he said that while he used to be against it, he no longer is, which is a good thing I guess because as you said, it is almost impossible to avoid.
But that was his advice for me specifically, so I would follow your doctor's advice for you.
You may have to make your own bread and mayo from scratch (I used to do that 38 years ago when I was a "purist".) Perhaps Whole Foods would have mayo that you could use.
Good luck,
JoAnn0 -
Soy is not good for me eitherjoannstar said:my doctor oked soy
for me--perhaps because I am triple negative, I don't know. I did ask and he said that while he used to be against it, he no longer is, which is a good thing I guess because as you said, it is almost impossible to avoid.
But that was his advice for me specifically, so I would follow your doctor's advice for you.
You may have to make your own bread and mayo from scratch (I used to do that 38 years ago when I was a "purist".) Perhaps Whole Foods would have mayo that you could use.
Good luck,
JoAnn
but like you, my onc. said it's in just about everything and to just really avoid the heavy soy products--like, obviously, soy sauce, edamame, most Asian take out, etc.
I was also going to suggest making the mayo (or anything else you really love) from scratch. That's the only real way to control the ingredients.
Good luck. Hugs, Renee0 -
What oncologist told memissrenee said:Soy is not good for me either
but like you, my onc. said it's in just about everything and to just really avoid the heavy soy products--like, obviously, soy sauce, edamame, most Asian take out, etc.
I was also going to suggest making the mayo (or anything else you really love) from scratch. That's the only real way to control the ingredients.
Good luck. Hugs, Renee
is that the jury is still out on phytoestrogens (particularly soy). A recent study showed no difference between women who had soy and those who did not - or something like that. She told me to use common sense and not to worry if I occasionally have chinese food. Life is too short to stay away from PF Changs forever. I do notice how many prepared foods have soy. I absolutely love Morning Star black bean burgers and thought I was being healthy until I read the ingredients - soy, etc. Mayo is not difficult to make at all. I used to make all kinds of things from scratch. Back in the day . . . .
Suzanne0 -
Soy isn't always soy
I met with a cancer nutritionist during my chemo and we discussed soy a lot. It’s more complicated than just avoiding soy, but I wanted to understand it so I wouldn’t be so nervous seeing some kind of soy in so many products. You don’t need to avoid all soy, but some parts of it are a bad idea. I’m not trying to say this is exactly what you should know, but it’s what the nutritionist told me that I thought I would share.
As Suzanne referred to, soy contains a phytoestrogen or plant estrogen called an isoflavone. Unless you are eating whole soybeans, the bean has been broken down into parts for use as food additives. The first thing that happens is to separate the soybean oil from the soy protein. The isoflavones stay with the soy protein, not the oil. The nutritionist says because of this soybean oil is fine for me to eat because it has no isoflavones. The other additive you see in everything is soy lecithin, which is a byproduct of soybean oil production. Since the isoflavones are not in the oil to start with, they aren't in the lecithin either. That also makes it okay to eat.
Soy protein is a different story. Since the isoflavones stay with the protein, it can have the estrogenic effect that we are worried about. Soy protein is in a lot of things but it seems easier to avoid. The most common places to find large quantities of soy protein are tofu and vegetarian meat products and energy bars. (they almost all have it – Lara bars don’t). It is also a common additive to soup base and bouillon, canned soup, salad dressings, imitation dairy products and some cereals. As you already know – reading labels is important because not all brands have soy protein in them. Sometimes it is listed on a label as vegetable protein or hydrolyzed vegetable protein. It might be some other vegetable, but since they don't have to specify, I avoid those as well.
As for soy sauce – the nutritionist told me it is fermented and that reduces the soy protein to little or none, so you can eat it, just keep it in moderation. Watch the labels though, I’ve found soy sauce with added soy protein. Whole Foods 365 brand is a good one.
I should have said that, of course, this is most important is your cancer is estrogen positive. (mine is). If your cancer is estrogen negative – I don’t think you have to be concerned. (Although there are conflicting studies about soy in large amounts causing breast cancer in post menopausal women.) It's very confusing. I was happy to have a nutritionist at least clear some of this up for me because I have enough worries with this disease without having to concern myself with every little thing I eat!
Happy label reading everyone!!0 -
Good clarification, Mickeymommickeymom said:Soy isn't always soy
I met with a cancer nutritionist during my chemo and we discussed soy a lot. It’s more complicated than just avoiding soy, but I wanted to understand it so I wouldn’t be so nervous seeing some kind of soy in so many products. You don’t need to avoid all soy, but some parts of it are a bad idea. I’m not trying to say this is exactly what you should know, but it’s what the nutritionist told me that I thought I would share.
As Suzanne referred to, soy contains a phytoestrogen or plant estrogen called an isoflavone. Unless you are eating whole soybeans, the bean has been broken down into parts for use as food additives. The first thing that happens is to separate the soybean oil from the soy protein. The isoflavones stay with the soy protein, not the oil. The nutritionist says because of this soybean oil is fine for me to eat because it has no isoflavones. The other additive you see in everything is soy lecithin, which is a byproduct of soybean oil production. Since the isoflavones are not in the oil to start with, they aren't in the lecithin either. That also makes it okay to eat.
Soy protein is a different story. Since the isoflavones stay with the protein, it can have the estrogenic effect that we are worried about. Soy protein is in a lot of things but it seems easier to avoid. The most common places to find large quantities of soy protein are tofu and vegetarian meat products and energy bars. (they almost all have it – Lara bars don’t). It is also a common additive to soup base and bouillon, canned soup, salad dressings, imitation dairy products and some cereals. As you already know – reading labels is important because not all brands have soy protein in them. Sometimes it is listed on a label as vegetable protein or hydrolyzed vegetable protein. It might be some other vegetable, but since they don't have to specify, I avoid those as well.
As for soy sauce – the nutritionist told me it is fermented and that reduces the soy protein to little or none, so you can eat it, just keep it in moderation. Watch the labels though, I’ve found soy sauce with added soy protein. Whole Foods 365 brand is a good one.
I should have said that, of course, this is most important is your cancer is estrogen positive. (mine is). If your cancer is estrogen negative – I don’t think you have to be concerned. (Although there are conflicting studies about soy in large amounts causing breast cancer in post menopausal women.) It's very confusing. I was happy to have a nutritionist at least clear some of this up for me because I have enough worries with this disease without having to concern myself with every little thing I eat!
Happy label reading everyone!!
It is complicated--you made things a little clearer for me. Thank you. I read all the labels--takes me a very long time to shop! I've thought about seeing a nutritionist as well. I agree, there's enough to worry about without having to worry about food as well.
Hugs, Renee0 -
Thank you Mickeymickeymom said:Soy isn't always soy
I met with a cancer nutritionist during my chemo and we discussed soy a lot. It’s more complicated than just avoiding soy, but I wanted to understand it so I wouldn’t be so nervous seeing some kind of soy in so many products. You don’t need to avoid all soy, but some parts of it are a bad idea. I’m not trying to say this is exactly what you should know, but it’s what the nutritionist told me that I thought I would share.
As Suzanne referred to, soy contains a phytoestrogen or plant estrogen called an isoflavone. Unless you are eating whole soybeans, the bean has been broken down into parts for use as food additives. The first thing that happens is to separate the soybean oil from the soy protein. The isoflavones stay with the soy protein, not the oil. The nutritionist says because of this soybean oil is fine for me to eat because it has no isoflavones. The other additive you see in everything is soy lecithin, which is a byproduct of soybean oil production. Since the isoflavones are not in the oil to start with, they aren't in the lecithin either. That also makes it okay to eat.
Soy protein is a different story. Since the isoflavones stay with the protein, it can have the estrogenic effect that we are worried about. Soy protein is in a lot of things but it seems easier to avoid. The most common places to find large quantities of soy protein are tofu and vegetarian meat products and energy bars. (they almost all have it – Lara bars don’t). It is also a common additive to soup base and bouillon, canned soup, salad dressings, imitation dairy products and some cereals. As you already know – reading labels is important because not all brands have soy protein in them. Sometimes it is listed on a label as vegetable protein or hydrolyzed vegetable protein. It might be some other vegetable, but since they don't have to specify, I avoid those as well.
As for soy sauce – the nutritionist told me it is fermented and that reduces the soy protein to little or none, so you can eat it, just keep it in moderation. Watch the labels though, I’ve found soy sauce with added soy protein. Whole Foods 365 brand is a good one.
I should have said that, of course, this is most important is your cancer is estrogen positive. (mine is). If your cancer is estrogen negative – I don’t think you have to be concerned. (Although there are conflicting studies about soy in large amounts causing breast cancer in post menopausal women.) It's very confusing. I was happy to have a nutritionist at least clear some of this up for me because I have enough worries with this disease without having to concern myself with every little thing I eat!
Happy label reading everyone!!
Thanks for the clarification. Like I said lots of good information on this site!
Carol0 -
Thank you Mickey !camul said:Thank you Mickey
Thanks for the clarification. Like I said lots of good information on this site!
Carol
I'll know more what to look for - or look out for.
No one told me what to eat either. I asked about soy, but did not get as clear an explanation as you provided. I'm perfectly fine living the rest of my life without tofu!
Do you also have any information on sugar? I've switched artificial sweeteners to stevia per the Anti Cancer book and don't use much sugar, but it, too, appears on the labels of almost everything - and everyone needs a cookie sometimes!
Suzanne0 -
I'm confusedDouble Whammy said:Thank you Mickey !
I'll know more what to look for - or look out for.
No one told me what to eat either. I asked about soy, but did not get as clear an explanation as you provided. I'm perfectly fine living the rest of my life without tofu!
Do you also have any information on sugar? I've switched artificial sweeteners to stevia per the Anti Cancer book and don't use much sugar, but it, too, appears on the labels of almost everything - and everyone needs a cookie sometimes!
Suzanne
I read the anti-cancer book also but maybe i didn't understand it right but i thought soy was one of the things we could have oh my !!!0 -
Soy is a good thing in themollyz said:I'm confused
I read the anti-cancer book also but maybe i didn't understand it right but i thought soy was one of the things we could have oh my !!!
Soy is a good thing in the diet if we are hoping to stave off cancer, that is, have never had cancer~ I am pretty sure that is why it would be recommended in an Anti-Cancer diet! On the other hand, because I had/have estrogen positive cancer , my oncologist said that sometimes the body can't tell the difference between estrogen and soy, which, as explained earlier, is a phytoestrogen. He also said the jury is still out, and that as all have noted, it is nearly impossible to avoid soy all together. I just personally avoid it when I know it is the main ingredient. For example,I stay away from Tofu, edamame, soy sauce, etc. The fact that it is in other products I liken to adding wine when I am making a sauce~ it isn't the main ingredient, but a flavor. I never feel I am serving alcohol to minors when I add red wine to spaghetti sauce! In my way of thinking, it is much the same with soy in mayo, etc. No one has gotten drunk from my spaghetti sauce! LOL Hope this helps!
Hugs,
Chen♥0 -
Thank you so muchmickeymom said:Soy isn't always soy
I met with a cancer nutritionist during my chemo and we discussed soy a lot. It’s more complicated than just avoiding soy, but I wanted to understand it so I wouldn’t be so nervous seeing some kind of soy in so many products. You don’t need to avoid all soy, but some parts of it are a bad idea. I’m not trying to say this is exactly what you should know, but it’s what the nutritionist told me that I thought I would share.
As Suzanne referred to, soy contains a phytoestrogen or plant estrogen called an isoflavone. Unless you are eating whole soybeans, the bean has been broken down into parts for use as food additives. The first thing that happens is to separate the soybean oil from the soy protein. The isoflavones stay with the soy protein, not the oil. The nutritionist says because of this soybean oil is fine for me to eat because it has no isoflavones. The other additive you see in everything is soy lecithin, which is a byproduct of soybean oil production. Since the isoflavones are not in the oil to start with, they aren't in the lecithin either. That also makes it okay to eat.
Soy protein is a different story. Since the isoflavones stay with the protein, it can have the estrogenic effect that we are worried about. Soy protein is in a lot of things but it seems easier to avoid. The most common places to find large quantities of soy protein are tofu and vegetarian meat products and energy bars. (they almost all have it – Lara bars don’t). It is also a common additive to soup base and bouillon, canned soup, salad dressings, imitation dairy products and some cereals. As you already know – reading labels is important because not all brands have soy protein in them. Sometimes it is listed on a label as vegetable protein or hydrolyzed vegetable protein. It might be some other vegetable, but since they don't have to specify, I avoid those as well.
As for soy sauce – the nutritionist told me it is fermented and that reduces the soy protein to little or none, so you can eat it, just keep it in moderation. Watch the labels though, I’ve found soy sauce with added soy protein. Whole Foods 365 brand is a good one.
I should have said that, of course, this is most important is your cancer is estrogen positive. (mine is). If your cancer is estrogen negative – I don’t think you have to be concerned. (Although there are conflicting studies about soy in large amounts causing breast cancer in post menopausal women.) It's very confusing. I was happy to have a nutritionist at least clear some of this up for me because I have enough worries with this disease without having to concern myself with every little thing I eat!
Happy label reading everyone!!
You have cleared up so much for me. I am so glad you heard this from the nutritionist. It makes sense and I won't be going crazy in the grocery store. Since the mayo says Soy oil
that means it would pass correct?
Gods blessings to you
Annie0 -
Mayonnaise is okay!Ann2800103 said:Thank you so much
You have cleared up so much for me. I am so glad you heard this from the nutritionist. It makes sense and I won't be going crazy in the grocery store. Since the mayo says Soy oil
that means it would pass correct?
Gods blessings to you
Annie
Soybean oil and soy lecithen are okay. Soy protein is not - that is where the plant estrogen resides in the soybean.
Actually, my nutritionist encourged me not to spent too much time worrying about soy. She wants me to worry about the overall health of what I eat - more whole foods, less processed - which will eliminate a lot of the soy additives anyway. She pretty much agrees with Chen's approach. You can't avoid soy all together so don't create more stress by worrying about it. There are so many conflicting studies out there about soy that I'm not sure you could ever know you were doing the right thing anyway.
Her rule for label reading was watch for soy protein and beyond that, if there are too many words you can't pronounce or don't understand, then look for a different product. Or make it yourself. I will say that my cooking skills are getting much better. A silver lining for me!
Blessings to you all!
Debbie0 -
thank you for themickeymom said:Mayonnaise is okay!
Soybean oil and soy lecithen are okay. Soy protein is not - that is where the plant estrogen resides in the soybean.
Actually, my nutritionist encourged me not to spent too much time worrying about soy. She wants me to worry about the overall health of what I eat - more whole foods, less processed - which will eliminate a lot of the soy additives anyway. She pretty much agrees with Chen's approach. You can't avoid soy all together so don't create more stress by worrying about it. There are so many conflicting studies out there about soy that I'm not sure you could ever know you were doing the right thing anyway.
Her rule for label reading was watch for soy protein and beyond that, if there are too many words you can't pronounce or don't understand, then look for a different product. Or make it yourself. I will say that my cooking skills are getting much better. A silver lining for me!
Blessings to you all!
Debbie
thank you for the clarification it was really helpful info.
I try to avoid soy as well, but dont make myself crazy. I find it is better for me to make my own things then I can control what is in it.0 -
I've used Soy Milk for yearscarkris said:thank you for the
thank you for the clarification it was really helpful info.
I try to avoid soy as well, but dont make myself crazy. I find it is better for me to make my own things then I can control what is in it.
I've used Soy Milk for years and years. Because of my est/prog+ BC, I have switched to Almond Milk. It tastes just as good, and almonds are good for fighting cancer! Thanky you for all the information. I'm sure it will come in handy. And believe that I will be reading lables to be sure.
Be Well,
Dianne0 -
Hmmmm. My onc. told me he
Hmmmm. My onc. told me he was really against any kind of soy supplement, but that a glass of soy milk one in awhile was probably okay. A lot of stuff has trace amounts of soy. I think we can go crazy trying to stay away from everything. Just do what you can. We can't spend our lives getting freaked out about every little thing (at least that's what I keep telling myself, easier said than done, perhaps that's a good mantra!)0 -
Wow! Thanks so much formickeymom said:Soy isn't always soy
I met with a cancer nutritionist during my chemo and we discussed soy a lot. It’s more complicated than just avoiding soy, but I wanted to understand it so I wouldn’t be so nervous seeing some kind of soy in so many products. You don’t need to avoid all soy, but some parts of it are a bad idea. I’m not trying to say this is exactly what you should know, but it’s what the nutritionist told me that I thought I would share.
As Suzanne referred to, soy contains a phytoestrogen or plant estrogen called an isoflavone. Unless you are eating whole soybeans, the bean has been broken down into parts for use as food additives. The first thing that happens is to separate the soybean oil from the soy protein. The isoflavones stay with the soy protein, not the oil. The nutritionist says because of this soybean oil is fine for me to eat because it has no isoflavones. The other additive you see in everything is soy lecithin, which is a byproduct of soybean oil production. Since the isoflavones are not in the oil to start with, they aren't in the lecithin either. That also makes it okay to eat.
Soy protein is a different story. Since the isoflavones stay with the protein, it can have the estrogenic effect that we are worried about. Soy protein is in a lot of things but it seems easier to avoid. The most common places to find large quantities of soy protein are tofu and vegetarian meat products and energy bars. (they almost all have it – Lara bars don’t). It is also a common additive to soup base and bouillon, canned soup, salad dressings, imitation dairy products and some cereals. As you already know – reading labels is important because not all brands have soy protein in them. Sometimes it is listed on a label as vegetable protein or hydrolyzed vegetable protein. It might be some other vegetable, but since they don't have to specify, I avoid those as well.
As for soy sauce – the nutritionist told me it is fermented and that reduces the soy protein to little or none, so you can eat it, just keep it in moderation. Watch the labels though, I’ve found soy sauce with added soy protein. Whole Foods 365 brand is a good one.
I should have said that, of course, this is most important is your cancer is estrogen positive. (mine is). If your cancer is estrogen negative – I don’t think you have to be concerned. (Although there are conflicting studies about soy in large amounts causing breast cancer in post menopausal women.) It's very confusing. I was happy to have a nutritionist at least clear some of this up for me because I have enough worries with this disease without having to concern myself with every little thing I eat!
Happy label reading everyone!!
Wow! Thanks so much for this information. I'm going to save this for future reference.0
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