New here with some questions

marjan55
marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member
edited July 26 in Prostate Cancer #1

I’m posting with regard to my husband’s situation. His PSA level came in at 5.5. He doesn’t remember if he ever had a test before, so not sure how long it’s been high. Our PCP referred him to a urologist who recommended an MRI. The results showed PI-RADS level four. Doctor said he could wait six months and have PSA levels checked again or do a biopsy. He scheduled the biopsy, but is having second thoughts. Any recommendations? Some background—he’s 66 and in excellent health. Only symptom is urinating often and sometimes urgently. However, he’s been that way for at least 10-15 years. His dad had PC and had it removed. TIA for any comments/suggestions.

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  • Marlon
    Marlon Member Posts: 110 Member

    Why second thoughts? Concern about the procedure? It's uncomfortable for sure, but if it's cancer, he will need it sooner or later. Better to find out when you have the most options.

    Heredity is a factor.

  • Old Salt
    Old Salt Member Posts: 1,505 Member
    edited July 26 #3

    A PSA of 5.5 ng/mL doesn't seem particularly worrisome for a 66-year old man. What's the size of his prostate (see the MRI)? Or, in simple terms, a bigger prostate will generate more PSA.

    What did his DRE show (digital rectal exam)?

    There are some additional non-invasive- tests that could be done, including some genetic ones. His Dad's prostate cancer is a concern.

  • marjan55
    marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member

    Doctor said it was probably a 60% chance of cancer, judging from the MRI. Yes, I know heredity can be a factor which pushes the decision towards a biopsy.

  • marjan55
    marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member

    Thanks for your thoughts. I agree the PSA level isn’t too concerning. The doctor was unable to do a DRE because his prostate is so large. I was thinking of going the genetic test route first, before the biopsy. Not sure if any relatives besides his dad have had it.

  • swl1956
    swl1956 Member Posts: 123 Member

    Only a biopsy can tell for sure and grade the cancer if there is any. Not that big of a deal. Fusion targeted would be more preferable and more accurate than a random transrectal biopsy. At 66 he needs to know what he's dealing with. Just my opinion, but I would not wait another 6 months. I was diagnosed at 66 with 4.3 PSA and after biopsy found 4+3 GG3 cancer. My PSA had been slowly increasing over the last few years. I wish I had a biopsy earlier. Finding it sooner may increase his treatment options.

  • marjan55
    marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member

    Thanks for your response. I think that’s good advice. I hope your treatment went well.

  • Josephg
    Josephg Member Posts: 455 Member

    Please convince him to get a biopsy as soon as possible, for his own good and for your good. 12 years ago, my PSA rose to 5.2 before my PCP advised me to see a Urologist and get a biopsy. My biopsy revealed that I had prostate cancer (PCa) throughout my prostate and it had escaped the prostate. I've been through surgery, radiation twice, and hormone therapy twice, and I now have locally metastasized PCa, which is fortunately in remission at this time.

    If he knows what his PCa situation is (or is not) through a biopsy, and if it turns out to be PCa, there are many options available for treatment and a resulting long life for him and you to enjoy together. An ostrich with its head in the sand is not the way to go with PCa.

  • marjan55
    marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member

    Thank you for sharing your experience. I’m glad you’re currently in remission. He will definitely be getting that biopsy.

  • Marlon
    Marlon Member Posts: 110 Member
    edited July 26 #10

    Mine was 4.2 at age 67 (normal is <4 at that age). And it was cancer. I also had BPH symptoms and doctor said the two things were not linked. I didnt wait to act on it and am glad I did not. You cant rely on just the one test.

  • marjan55
    marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member

    Thanks for your comments. He will definitely be taking action.

  • Clevelandguy
    Clevelandguy Member Posts: 1,177 Member

    Hi,

    I would agree with josephg, he should go the next step and get a biopsy to determine if he has cancer and how aggressive it is. My Internal medicine doctor told me he had men with a PSA of 2-3 range that had Prostate cancer. After he finds out his gleason score(if any) he can decide what his next steps will be. Hope its nothing more than his large Prostate producing too much PSA but the level four pi-rads is concerning.

    Dave 3+4

  • marjan55
    marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member

    Thank you, and I agree. The PSA level didn’t concern me much, but the PI-RADS number surely does.

  • Rob.Ski
    Rob.Ski Member Posts: 171 Member

    Definitely encouraging to get biopsy as others have stated it's the only way to confirm PCa and it gives you idea of how agressive, if it is PCa. 10 minutes of discomfort. I've had both types and was awake for both. Not a big deal.

  • marjan55
    marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member

    Good to know the biopsy is not a big deal. May be one of those things that sounds worse than it is. Thanks for posting!

  • centralPA
    centralPA Member Posts: 322 Member

    That was me, PSA 5.5, PIRADS 4 lesion on MRI, big prostate, issues with urinating (BPH) for a long time.

    How big is his prostate? The info will be on the MRI report, which you should have a copy of. It would be on your patient portal.

    I had a biopsy, which showed I had low-grade prostate cancer. I ended up treating the BPH with a HoLEP procedure and I am on active surveillance now.

    Your husband should get the biopsy for sure.

  • swl1956
    swl1956 Member Posts: 123 Member

    FYI, image guided fusion biopsies are much more accurate than the random ones which can miss cancer. Under imaged guidance they can accurately probe the suspicious areas indicated by the MRI. Also the transperineal biopsies are safer when it comes to infections and I personally would insist on having this type. I once had a transrectal biopsy and although it wasn't that bad, I had some significant intestinal issues for many days due to the antibiotics given. No antibiotics are needed for transperineal biopsies. I did a three mile hike the day after my last transperineal biopsy. Anyhow, just my opinion and some here may disagree, but being safer and more accurate sampling of prostate tissue it's a no brainer for me. I think most all of the image guided biopsies are done now under general anesthesia which makes the experience a lot more tolerable.

  • Old Salt
    Old Salt Member Posts: 1,505 Member

    I agree that the transperineal route is the way to go. I don't know the percentages, but it's the newer way and some urologists may not have the expertise.

  • Wheel
    Wheel Member Posts: 138 Member

    If he is reluctant what could help his decision is a quick ExoDx urine marker test. The test measures prostate genomic bio markers. This test is to assist in decision whether to get a biopsy. There is a numeric number threshold that gets reported that if it is over that number it is a stronger likelihood of a higher grade cancer and a biopsy is warranted or if under the number more likely low risk cancer. This test is often used in monitoring during active surveillance but the test is so easy and non invasive. Its just a urine sample taken. Please check with your Doctor. This could tip the scale and he is full on board with the biopsy.

  • marjan55
    marjan55 Member Posts: 12 Member

    Thr bio of his doctor says he does this. We’ll make sure before the procedure. Thank you!