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janaes
janaes Member Posts: 799 Member

Need some motivation.  I was really excited the other day about being done with chemo and really i still am.   Today is the day i would have been sick and i am so glad i am not doing that.  I am going with a friend today that i havent hung out with much because i wasnt feeling good.  I did do one thing with her during chemo treatments towards the beginning.  It will be nice to get out.  Yesterday i lost my motivation to do my exersize stretches mostly because i have to call my work next week probably Monday or Tuesday and let them know what i am doing.  I have to go back in a couple of weeks or so or they wont hold my job but i was feeling guilty that i need that time.  I think i am going to tell them i need two more weeks and that way i have some time to do more recovery work.  I was worried that they wont go for that.  I know logically that really is the law for me to beable to take 3 months off and think it would be helpful to have that time.  Anyways i could use you support for the next few days during this transition.

 

 

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  • EZLiving66
    EZLiving66 Member Posts: 1,483 Member
    edited October 2016 #2
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    I was lucky we have our own

    I was lucky we have our own company and between our son and my husband, they could cover pretty good for me.  Being able to log on to my work computer from home also helped big time!!  Everyone recovers at their own pace - if you need the time off, take it!  I tried to go in a couple of times and ended up sleeping on the sofa in my office - the fatigue really got to me.  I also made QUITE a few mistakes when I tried to work - brain fog!!

    Love,

    Eldri

  • Lou Ann M
    Lou Ann M Member Posts: 996 Member
    edited October 2016 #3
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    Don't feel quilty

    you have been through a lot the last few months, physically and emotionally.  Try to keep with your exercise.  They help,you,feel,better, not only physicall, but mentall, too.  Try to do everything you can to,lift yourself up, you are worth it.

    sending you lots of love, hugs and prayers, Lou Ann

  • sshhaarrii
    sshhaarrii Member Posts: 38 Member
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    I totally understand the

    I totally understand the employer issue. After you make that call you will feel better. It's the unknown that is always worry some. 

    Take care

    Shari

  • Scotgirl
    Scotgirl Member Posts: 31
    edited October 2016 #5
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    Chemo#1 of 6 completed - need help, please

    it is day 6 since first infusion and I am already defeated. I will be calling my chemo doc on Monday but I think something went terribly wrong. I thought the nerve twinges that started after I finished my dexamethasone (2 days following infusion) would diminish and I would be on my way but by the end of day 4 what started as a sparkler type affect throughout my body turned into a full blown fireworks of bone pain like none other, everywhere. Starting at the top, my teeth are numb, like I am on the tail end of dental novacane. My left ear and throat hurt like I have the flu, nerve sparks throughout my torso mostly, every bone in my body either aches or hurts or pains me. The pain is constantly on the move and made its way to my feet and ankles which makes it difficult to walk, what the hell is going on? I am scared, can't wait until Monday to call in to my chemo nurse. Has anyone ever experienced this reaction or is it unique to my body? I have had every single side affect in the laundry list along with constipation that I am trying desperately to resolve, I am drinking the excess fluid without much of a problem and although my taste buds have changed to the extreme I am getting the nutrition so far. I do know the science behind Carbo/Taxol and wondering if maybe the doc will prescribe another combo or dial back the dose, or something. I consider myself a tough, focused, do what you gotta do and get it done person but this has broken me out of the gate. If this is all from #1, how will I make it to #6? I can't help but think the treatment of cancer has not come all that far, it feels absolutely barbaric and tortuous right now. Help!

  • Soup52
    Soup52 Member Posts: 908 Member
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    I'm so sorry that you are

    I'm so sorry that you are dealing with all these side effects. I haven't had all of yours, but some I have. My bone pain was the worst with my first infusion. My knees and then down to my feet. It was so painful that I could hardly sleep. It was the worst with that infusion and was never as bad during the others. I did learn that Claritin helped and I used it during other infusions. Some people have had more bone pain taking nulasta, but I never had it after chemo; my pain was strictly from the chemo. Yes, I would call the doctor. There might be something they can do to help. Prayers!

  • Scotgirl
    Scotgirl Member Posts: 31
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    Totally agree about below the belt cancer

    Good morning, Soup52, the words from your background story are the voices in my head. Although I have Stage 1 clear cell, I understand the severity of the histology of the cell. There just isn't enough data on the endometrios "clear cell" outcomes because it is so rare. Consequently, we get lumped into the category of the other cancers that have the same histology in order for the doctors to pick a protocol. in a discussion with my Memorial Sloan Kettering (Manhattan, NYC) surgeon she basically said out front that they probably will never have the data needed, the funding is just not there because too few people have it. Thanks for sharing with me regarding the bone pain. Your experience with the bone pain has been the most positive story I have read. If I have to continue this chemo protocol I would like to start basic with pain meds I pick and choose as needed, no shots. Still not sure about all 6 treatments, since it is stage 1 I may ask the doctor about abbreviating the full cycle. On this beautiful, crisp sunny morning in North Jersey, I am taking a deep breath and motoring forward once again. Thank you so much and I truly wish you continued health and ease in your daily life.

  • Lou Ann M
    Lou Ann M Member Posts: 996 Member
    edited October 2016 #8
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    Scotgirl said:

    Chemo#1 of 6 completed - need help, please

    it is day 6 since first infusion and I am already defeated. I will be calling my chemo doc on Monday but I think something went terribly wrong. I thought the nerve twinges that started after I finished my dexamethasone (2 days following infusion) would diminish and I would be on my way but by the end of day 4 what started as a sparkler type affect throughout my body turned into a full blown fireworks of bone pain like none other, everywhere. Starting at the top, my teeth are numb, like I am on the tail end of dental novacane. My left ear and throat hurt like I have the flu, nerve sparks throughout my torso mostly, every bone in my body either aches or hurts or pains me. The pain is constantly on the move and made its way to my feet and ankles which makes it difficult to walk, what the hell is going on? I am scared, can't wait until Monday to call in to my chemo nurse. Has anyone ever experienced this reaction or is it unique to my body? I have had every single side affect in the laundry list along with constipation that I am trying desperately to resolve, I am drinking the excess fluid without much of a problem and although my taste buds have changed to the extreme I am getting the nutrition so far. I do know the science behind Carbo/Taxol and wondering if maybe the doc will prescribe another combo or dial back the dose, or something. I consider myself a tough, focused, do what you gotta do and get it done person but this has broken me out of the gate. If this is all from #1, how will I make it to #6? I can't help but think the treatment of cancer has not come all that far, it feels absolutely barbaric and tortuous right now. Help!

    taxol

    Taxol can cause severe bone pain.  It bothered me from my waist down to my feet and started at the end of day two.  I usually took one hydrocodone before bed and was able to sleep.  Usually lasted several days and then gradually went away.  I had a chemo buddy that had pain starting in her head and working it's way down to her toes.  Again starting at the end of day two and lasting several days.

    Hugs and prayers, Lou Ann

  • MAbound
    MAbound Member Posts: 1,168 Member
    edited October 2016 #9
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    There is help

    Definitely let your doctor and chemo nurses know what you are experiencing.  There should still be a nurse to talk to, even on a Sunday. I had pretty much the same experience with the first infusion of carbo/taxol and really appreciate how intensely painful and unrelenting it is. It will abate to some degree before your second treatment, butyou shouldn't wait till then to let your chemo team know what you are dealing with. It can't be emphasized enough that you don't need to soldier through these side effects because the nurses and doctors have some tricks in their bag to help you. There are a number of things that can be done to make things easier for you going forward. 

    1.) They can lengthen (slow down) the infusions or give them more frequently in smaller doses so you tolerate them better.

    2.) They can switch you to another drug in the same group as taxol...like to taxotere. Many of us, including myself, had this done and it really helped.

    3.) They may suggest trying Claritin or ibuprofen for pain relief and that does work for some, but neuropathy is a unique kind of pain that most traditional pain meds are ineffective against and they may prescribe an anti-depressant or anti-seisure medication instead because they sometimes work.

    4.) You may need B12 supplementation as it is particularly important to nerves and may help with healing of damage that has already occurred and could help to reduce how much damage happens from future treatments. I don't know how old you are, but after age 50 we're less able to absorb B12 from food because of decreasing stomach acid production and start to need to get it from supplements or monthly shots. The cancer itself, surgery, and chemo all tend to leave us at a deficit because those are events that convert up to 80% of the body's B12 into it's inactive form. The routine lab test for B12 isn't very helpful because it doesn't differentiate between B12's active and inactive forms; it counts both for the total. There is a new test out there for just active B12, but most labs don't do it yet and its not yet covered by insurance. A test called the MMA would be more indicitive that active B12 levels are low.

    5.) Hypothermia products can help. They make ice caps to help prevent hair loss if you use them from the first treatment and I imagine they probably help for migraine headaches and hot flashes, too. They also make mittens and slippers to wear during treatments to protect against neuropathy in the feet and fingers. I used those starting from my second infusion and my neuropathy definitely didn't get worse from that point forward. I especially love the slippers because they are effective for giving me relief from pain between treatments and since when nothing else works. 

    As far as constipation goes, I was told to follow a low fiber diet, drink at least 8- 12 glasses of fluids daily, and take Miralax morning and night preceded and followed by a large glass of water. Even then, I had to add 2 Senekot-S morning and night until I was done with chemo. That's what my doctor recommended for me, but your doctor may want you to follow a different bowel regimen, so check with him first. The main thing is to have some kind of regimen to follow with suggestions for adjustments if needed. The low fiber diet is counter-intuitive, I know, but the rational behind it is sound. The chemo drugs we're on are neurotoxic and besides causing the nerve pain, they also do a number on our digestive system nerves. High fiber foods work by causing bulk to stimulate peristalsis in our intestines and this doesn't work so well during chemo, so high fiber foods can actually potentially cause a blockage during chemo and that would just add to the misery of it all.

    Hope this helps. Don't sit there suffering another minute. Call your doctor's office. Most likely a chemo nurse will answer or the answering service will contact one to call you back.

  • EZLiving66
    EZLiving66 Member Posts: 1,483 Member
    edited October 2016 #10
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    (((Scotgirl))) I so empathize

    (((Scotgirl))) I so empathize with you!  Chemo did a number on me - Carboplatin and Taxotere.  I made it through three treatments and firmly believe a fourth one would have killed me.  I had every side effect listed except mouth sores and death.  However, I did not have constipation but chronic uncontrollable diarrhea. I have learned so much on this board about what my healthcare providers COULD have done but didn't!   

    I agree with the others' advice - call and see if they can help, don't suffer needlessly!

    Love,

    Eldri

  • beccabtown
    beccabtown Member Posts: 234
    edited October 2016 #11
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    I have had all-over pain

    I have had all-over pain after my infusions. For me it starts about 48 hours after the infusion and lasts for about 48 hours. It starts and stops like someone turning a light on and off. I do have other bouts of leg, foot, and hand discomfort. By two weeks after an infusion I'm generally feeling good. All of these symptoms seem to come in cycles and all stop. I've now been off of chemo for almost two months, and have not even had neuropathy during that time. (I have three more rounds of chemo to go.) I take Claritin and B6 every day between chemo infusions and also take prescription-strength doses of Tylenol and Ibuprofen as needed. I hope that your symptoms also pass soon.

  • Scotgirl
    Scotgirl Member Posts: 31
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    Wow, everyone has been great

    THANKS, EZLiving, I have educated myself on the science of my particular cancer cell but everyone's personal experiences is what is real right now especially since the doctors or nurses are clearly holding back on some of the "what could happen" scenarios.  As a result of what happened since my first infusion, I am not only gun shy but down right scared to death. I am feeling improved today but I am wondering after all this trauma to my body what will I be left with in the end. I know as my chemo doctor told me up front, cancer does a pretty good job of killing but chemo not so much. So I am mourning the passing of what once felt like a healthy body for one that possibly will be cancer free but will have a laundry list of issues that make me cringe. My next concern is the brachytherapy (again I understand the science for the need) that I begin Nov 1, then the following week chemo #2, then the next two consecutive weeks #2 radiation & final radiation and then the next week chemo #3. So every single week in November my body is being physically assaulted, oh, my, I have officially depressed myself. Taking break will be back - thanks so from the bottom of my heart.

  • Scotgirl
    Scotgirl Member Posts: 31
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    Thanks, Beccabtown & MABoundb

    Beccabrown, encouraging to hear your story, I know everyone will be affected differently but will hold onto the more comforting possibilities. I am already considering dropping 3 of my chemo treatments, will see how my doctor reacts when I talk with her.  

    MABound - making a list from your suggestions to have in front of me when I make my call to the chemo nurses. Stopping the fiber which was my usual way of eating and dialing it down, taking Senokot - started yesterday and will continue. wish my chemo nurse had asked what I was eating with my first constipation complaint 2 days ago. I am beginning I need to be one up on the professionals since I am not sure if I am trusting them to be up front when I ask about things.

  • MAbound
    MAbound Member Posts: 1,168 Member
    edited October 2016 #14
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    I have had all-over pain

    I have had all-over pain after my infusions. For me it starts about 48 hours after the infusion and lasts for about 48 hours. It starts and stops like someone turning a light on and off. I do have other bouts of leg, foot, and hand discomfort. By two weeks after an infusion I'm generally feeling good. All of these symptoms seem to come in cycles and all stop. I've now been off of chemo for almost two months, and have not even had neuropathy during that time. (I have three more rounds of chemo to go.) I take Claritin and B6 every day between chemo infusions and also take prescription-strength doses of Tylenol and Ibuprofen as needed. I hope that your symptoms also pass soon.

    How much B6?

    I stopped taking a B complex supplement because it's possible to cause problems rather than help with some of the B vitamins. It depends on how the body stores or eliminates them. B12 is relatively safe to take because the body readily eliminates what it doesn't use. B6 on the otherhand, is unique in that either a deficiency or an excess can cause or contribute to neuropathy and excess is usually the result of supplementation. Doses of greater than 200 mg may cause peripheral neuropathy, uncoordinated movement, breathing difficulties, fatigue, and vomiting. The safe upper level for vitamin B6 is 100 mg per day for adults. As intake increases above that amount, the risk of those toxic effects increases. Vitamin B6 is widely present in most multivitamins, so if you are eating normally and taking one of those, that should be more than enough. Taking extra B6 is risky.

     

  • MAbound
    MAbound Member Posts: 1,168 Member
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    Trust

    I think they don't necessarily tell us all of the possibles like the drug commercials do because we all react differently to chemo and telling us everything that might happen would only serve to increase our anxiety beforehand needlessly. Also, different doctors, different philosphies and preferences for treatments. That can be the value of this discussion board, you learn things that you can ask about, so that you can make the most of your face time with caregivers.

  • Editgrl
    Editgrl Member Posts: 903 Member
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    Exercise

    Janae, every time that I don't feel like exercising, I remind myself how good I feel after I do.  Even when exercising is absolutely the last thing I want to do, I always feel better when I do it.  Even if you only do some of them, do a bit.  It does help mentally and emotionally; it helps to reduce stress and relieve depression.  It will help you get through the next few days.

     

  • Nellasing
    Nellasing Member Posts: 528 Member
    edited October 2016 #17
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    Scotgirl said:

    Chemo#1 of 6 completed - need help, please

    it is day 6 since first infusion and I am already defeated. I will be calling my chemo doc on Monday but I think something went terribly wrong. I thought the nerve twinges that started after I finished my dexamethasone (2 days following infusion) would diminish and I would be on my way but by the end of day 4 what started as a sparkler type affect throughout my body turned into a full blown fireworks of bone pain like none other, everywhere. Starting at the top, my teeth are numb, like I am on the tail end of dental novacane. My left ear and throat hurt like I have the flu, nerve sparks throughout my torso mostly, every bone in my body either aches or hurts or pains me. The pain is constantly on the move and made its way to my feet and ankles which makes it difficult to walk, what the hell is going on? I am scared, can't wait until Monday to call in to my chemo nurse. Has anyone ever experienced this reaction or is it unique to my body? I have had every single side affect in the laundry list along with constipation that I am trying desperately to resolve, I am drinking the excess fluid without much of a problem and although my taste buds have changed to the extreme I am getting the nutrition so far. I do know the science behind Carbo/Taxol and wondering if maybe the doc will prescribe another combo or dial back the dose, or something. I consider myself a tough, focused, do what you gotta do and get it done person but this has broken me out of the gate. If this is all from #1, how will I make it to #6? I can't help but think the treatment of cancer has not come all that far, it feels absolutely barbaric and tortuous right now. Help!

    Wow- Sorry!!!

    That is just awful.  I agree with everyone- call your Dr. mine provided me with a number for weekend emergencies but the service will know who to put you in touch with- you DO NOT have to suffer/soldier through this.  They do have things that can help.
    I wish this thing had a like button- there are SO MANY great responses - I sure do appreciate all the knowledge and caring here- all you ladies really do ROCK!!!!  I could tell you of my experience but it's like so many of the others and really they have covered everything.

    I just wanted to let you know that yet another sister is chiming in and saying YOU CAN DO IT- praying for you and sending you huge (((HUGS)))

  • Nellasing
    Nellasing Member Posts: 528 Member
    edited October 2016 #18
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    Thinking of you

    I hope you got to make that call and get that off your mind.  I get frozen if I come to something that take a lot of thought but as soon as I advance toward it I get unstuck and can go gang busters for a while ;) 

    I get the not wanting to exercise thing- last thing we want to do is move our sore, tired body but I agree with everyone else- it sure feels good to accomplish it and my body feels better for doing it.  I have my 2 doggies that have to go out so it's an adventure - I love seeing their fresh excitement at every little thing.  I laugh while I watch them wag their tails and get on the trail of some extra good smell.  I sit when I need to and then get up and go more- sometimes we've had to turn back- that's ok too.  Keep at it :D

    Prayers and (((HUGS))) for a better day <3

  • Scotgirl
    Scotgirl Member Posts: 31
    edited October 2016 #19
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    MAbound said:

    Trust

    I think they don't necessarily tell us all of the possibles like the drug commercials do because we all react differently to chemo and telling us everything that might happen would only serve to increase our anxiety beforehand needlessly. Also, different doctors, different philosphies and preferences for treatments. That can be the value of this discussion board, you learn things that you can ask about, so that you can make the most of your face time with caregivers.

    I agree completely

    MAbound, yes, these discussion boards are helping me to ask the right questions when sympthoms show up and catch me unaware. Thank you.

  • janaes
    janaes Member Posts: 799 Member
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    Scottgirl,  Im so sorry you

    Scottgirl,  Im so sorry you have had so many side effects  I did get bone pain.  It did seem to be worse on the first infusion.  I remember it was in my head too.  I did get constipatio but i started taling myralax the day of my infusions and for a few days there after and mt next ones werent as bad for that.  I hope you get a hold of the nurse to give you some options.  I know it doest feel like it but youll make it through. 

    For me, i went to the store on saturday with my friend and i got me a chair back support the gives me better support.  I feels great especially in my car.  It doest nessesarally take my pain away but it helps me feel supported.  I bought me foam roallar that i hope to use today for my stretches.  It was so nice to be with my friend saturday as it gave me something to do and that helped me be motivated. 

    Thanks Janae

  • Nellasing
    Nellasing Member Posts: 528 Member
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    janaes said:

    Scottgirl,  Im so sorry you

    Scottgirl,  Im so sorry you have had so many side effects  I did get bone pain.  It did seem to be worse on the first infusion.  I remember it was in my head too.  I did get constipatio but i started taling myralax the day of my infusions and for a few days there after and mt next ones werent as bad for that.  I hope you get a hold of the nurse to give you some options.  I know it doest feel like it but youll make it through. 

    For me, i went to the store on saturday with my friend and i got me a chair back support the gives me better support.  I feels great especially in my car.  It doest nessesarally take my pain away but it helps me feel supported.  I bought me foam roallar that i hope to use today for my stretches.  It was so nice to be with my friend saturday as it gave me something to do and that helped me be motivated. 

    Thanks Janae

    janaes

    SO GLAD you had fun with your friend and it brought you joy and motivation :D  Excited that you found some back support and that roller- hope they both do their job and continue helping you <3<3  (((HUGS)))