Anyone else tried MMS ?

steved

steved said:

Good summary of issues
Safety and legal issues:
The Guardian has described MMS as "extremely nasty stuff, and the medical advice given is that anyone who has this product should stop using it immediately and throw it away. In Canada it was banned after causing a life-threatening reaction."[13] In 2009, an American woman travelling in Vanuatu took MMS as a preventative for malaria. Within 15 minutes she was ill, and within twelve hours she was dead. The island nation's public prosecutor, Kayleen Tavoa, did not press any charges as there were no specific laws banning the importation of MMS, but advised, "While every case is assessed on its own merits, I advise that any person who misuses MMS in Vanuatu in the future would be likely to face prosecution for potentially serious criminal offences. No person should ever give MMS to another person to drink without advising them of what it is they are drinking and of the serious risks to health that may arise if they decide to drink the mixture."[14][15]

In 2008, a 60-year-old Canadian man was hospitalized after a life-threatening response to MMS.[16] Following a May 2010 advisory which indicated that MMS exceeds levels deemed to be safe by a factor of 200,[17] a Calgary based supplier briefly stopped distribution. A February 2012 warning, which resulted in one website shutting down, advised: "There are no therapeutic products containing sodium chlorite authorized for oral consumption by humans in Canada."[18][19] In the UK, the Food Standards Agency also has released a warning, following the initial warning from Health Canada and a similar warning from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, in which they stated that "MMS is a 28% sodium chlorite solution which is equivalent to industrial-strength bleach.[2] When taken as directed it could cause severe nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea, potentially leading to dehydration and reduced blood pressure. If the solution is diluted less than instructed, it could cause damage to the gut and red blood cells, potentially resulting in respiratory failure."[20][21]

In December 2009, an alert was issued by the Belgian Poison Control Centre to the European Association of Poisons Centres and Clinical Toxicologists. In response, an evaluation was performed by the French "Comité de coordination de toxicovigilance" in March 2010, warning about a dose dependent irritation and possible toxic effects. They also warned that patients affected by serious diseases could be tempted to stop their treatments in favour of this alternative treatment.[22] A similar notice was released in July 2010 by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warning that the instructions for preparing the solution by mixing it with an acidic solution, or even orange juice, would produce chlorine dioxide, "a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment." Because of reports including nausea, vomiting, and dangerously low blood pressure as a result of dehydration following instructed use, the FDA has advised consumers to dispose of the product immediately.[8]

MMS is not approved for the treatment of any disease and according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency, chronic exposure to small doses of chlorine dioxide could cause reproductive and neurodevelopmental damage.[23] A short term study found no effects in hematological or urine chemistry or in physical symptoms in human volunteers over a period of 84 days.[24] While studies of chlorine dioxide effects in humans are rare, studies on animal subjects are more common; chlorine dioxide has been shown to impair thyroid function and reduce T4 cell count in monkeys after 6 months.[25] Another study in rats resulted in reduced red blood cells count when exposed to 100 mg/L of chlorine dioxide concentration in their drinking water, after 3 months.[26] The United States Department of Labor restricts occupational exposure through inhalation of chlorine dioxide to 0.1ppm since concentrations at 10ppm resulted in deaths in rats, after 10 days while a case where a worker was accidentally exposed to 19ppm resulted in death.[27] According to the same organisation "chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in humans".[27]

[edit] JudgementsMMS was a cure touted by an Australian couple targeting the Seattle area. They ran websites using fake testimonials (accompanied by sexy vignettes), photographs, and Seattle addresses, to promote downloadable books touted as containing secret cures as well as selling bottles labeled "water purification drops" with a brand name of "MMS Professional".[28] The Washington State Attorney General's Office filed suit, and in conjunctions with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC), secured a settlement of more than US$40,000 for at least 200 residents.[29][30] In the ACCC legal action, the presiding judge described the cures as quack medicine and found the claims on the websites "false, misleading or deceptive".[28][31]

A woman from north Mackay, Australia, without qualifications to practice, charged up to A$2,000 to inject patients with MMS in her garage which lacked proper facilities for sterilization, and went as far as advising a person to avoid proper medical treatment. The Queensland Office of Fair Trading got a court order prohibiting her from "making any claims she is able to treat, cure, or benefit any person suffering from cancer" and she was charged court costs of A$12,000.[32][33]

My opinion
I wanted to post my opinion separate from the data above to keep opinion and fact separate. I do think this is different from the fact that chemo as well as many other drugs have significant and serious side effects. The main difference is that drugs under go rigorous testing through scientific procedure that records and documents benefits and side effects. These are then published in peer reviewed journals and included when you take the drug. It is only if the opinion of experts is that the benefits outweigh the side effects that the drug is licensed. None of these fact apply to something like MMS. The pharmaceutical industry is far from perfect but it is heavily regulated.

We all make our own judgements in how to fight this illness and all do so as adults. I therefore fully respect people's choices to take approaches that are totally different from mine and also lie outside my own values and principles. People are free to take industrial bleach if they wish. Pete is also clear that he is NOT promoting other people should do so which is vital- when people take more extreme approaches to fighting this illness they should be respected but they should also be cautious of promoting it to others especially on sites that include a lot of vulnerable and desparate people.

Personally my opinion is there is nothing that equates to significant evidence of benefit from MMS and lot of evidence of harm. This is opinion, not fact.

steve

PhillieG

When Making Omlets
you have to crack some eggs (or buy eggbeaters but then someone else cracked the egg).
We're trying to kill cancer, not worts so it's fairly obvious that many of us are ingesting toxic chemicals in order to do so. Whether it's a synthesized chemical or a natural one, they are still harmful to some extent or they probably wouldn't kill cancer cells.

Back in March of 2005 I was part of an Associated Press story on the High Cost of Drugs and whether or not they are "worth it". The drugs in question were Avastin and Erbitux, both of which I used. Avastin, I firmly believe, saved my live because it caused the tumor in my liver to shrink and make me operable. Erbitux, I'm still on...(getting the rash back too since I'm in the sun more and in the pool) and has been keeping my lung mets in check.

My point, if there is one, is that at the same time AP did the story on me in 2005, another guy from Montana was profiled for his use of Avastin. He was stage IV colon cancer too. For some (morbid) reason I googled him over the weekend and saw he died in Nov 2005, I had my successful liver surgery in Sept of 2005.
Why did it work for me on not him???

Could what Pete and others are doing work for them and not me? Sure!
Could what helped me help Pete and others? Sure!
Could either scenario NOT work? Sure!

Cancer's a mystery, wrapped in a puzzle, dipped in wheat grass, rolled in bacon, and aged like wine...

manwithnoname

steved said:

Good summary of issues
Safety and legal issues:
The Guardian has described MMS as "extremely nasty stuff, and the medical advice given is that anyone who has this product should stop using it immediately and throw it away. In Canada it was banned after causing a life-threatening reaction."[13] In 2009, an American woman travelling in Vanuatu took MMS as a preventative for malaria. Within 15 minutes she was ill, and within twelve hours she was dead. The island nation's public prosecutor, Kayleen Tavoa, did not press any charges as there were no specific laws banning the importation of MMS, but advised, "While every case is assessed on its own merits, I advise that any person who misuses MMS in Vanuatu in the future would be likely to face prosecution for potentially serious criminal offences. No person should ever give MMS to another person to drink without advising them of what it is they are drinking and of the serious risks to health that may arise if they decide to drink the mixture."[14][15]

In 2008, a 60-year-old Canadian man was hospitalized after a life-threatening response to MMS.[16] Following a May 2010 advisory which indicated that MMS exceeds levels deemed to be safe by a factor of 200,[17] a Calgary based supplier briefly stopped distribution. A February 2012 warning, which resulted in one website shutting down, advised: "There are no therapeutic products containing sodium chlorite authorized for oral consumption by humans in Canada."[18][19] In the UK, the Food Standards Agency also has released a warning, following the initial warning from Health Canada and a similar warning from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, in which they stated that "MMS is a 28% sodium chlorite solution which is equivalent to industrial-strength bleach.[2] When taken as directed it could cause severe nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea, potentially leading to dehydration and reduced blood pressure. If the solution is diluted less than instructed, it could cause damage to the gut and red blood cells, potentially resulting in respiratory failure."[20][21]

In December 2009, an alert was issued by the Belgian Poison Control Centre to the European Association of Poisons Centres and Clinical Toxicologists. In response, an evaluation was performed by the French "Comité de coordination de toxicovigilance" in March 2010, warning about a dose dependent irritation and possible toxic effects. They also warned that patients affected by serious diseases could be tempted to stop their treatments in favour of this alternative treatment.[22] A similar notice was released in July 2010 by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warning that the instructions for preparing the solution by mixing it with an acidic solution, or even orange juice, would produce chlorine dioxide, "a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment." Because of reports including nausea, vomiting, and dangerously low blood pressure as a result of dehydration following instructed use, the FDA has advised consumers to dispose of the product immediately.[8]

MMS is not approved for the treatment of any disease and according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency, chronic exposure to small doses of chlorine dioxide could cause reproductive and neurodevelopmental damage.[23] A short term study found no effects in hematological or urine chemistry or in physical symptoms in human volunteers over a period of 84 days.[24] While studies of chlorine dioxide effects in humans are rare, studies on animal subjects are more common; chlorine dioxide has been shown to impair thyroid function and reduce T4 cell count in monkeys after 6 months.[25] Another study in rats resulted in reduced red blood cells count when exposed to 100 mg/L of chlorine dioxide concentration in their drinking water, after 3 months.[26] The United States Department of Labor restricts occupational exposure through inhalation of chlorine dioxide to 0.1ppm since concentrations at 10ppm resulted in deaths in rats, after 10 days while a case where a worker was accidentally exposed to 19ppm resulted in death.[27] According to the same organisation "chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in humans".[27]

[edit] JudgementsMMS was a cure touted by an Australian couple targeting the Seattle area. They ran websites using fake testimonials (accompanied by sexy vignettes), photographs, and Seattle addresses, to promote downloadable books touted as containing secret cures as well as selling bottles labeled "water purification drops" with a brand name of "MMS Professional".[28] The Washington State Attorney General's Office filed suit, and in conjunctions with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC), secured a settlement of more than US$40,000 for at least 200 residents.[29][30] In the ACCC legal action, the presiding judge described the cures as quack medicine and found the claims on the websites "false, misleading or deceptive".[28][31]

A woman from north Mackay, Australia, without qualifications to practice, charged up to A$2,000 to inject patients with MMS in her garage which lacked proper facilities for sterilization, and went as far as advising a person to avoid proper medical treatment. The Queensland Office of Fair Trading got a court order prohibiting her from "making any claims she is able to treat, cure, or benefit any person suffering from cancer" and she was charged court costs of A$12,000.[32][33]

The 'protocol' I was told about
Is the 7th edition, seems to be through the skin only, combined with DMSO + frankincense and cinnamon essential oils.

This is what the Dr. is giving his patients. Some of them are refusing to die ;-)

I can totally understand the choice of oils, both have studies behind them in killing cancer.

Now I understand everyones scepticism on this, I was too. I would not have touched this until the oncologist mentioned it.

rickburn

I took MMS when I had cancer in about 2009.I had no insurance when I found our I had it. While trying to find an oncologist who would work with me I took MMs daily after reading online what it would do. It did what it said. I found an ocologist after a few months and had chemo and radiation therapy, but I took MMs, oleander extract DMSO externally(rubbed it on my thighs, and even baking soda mixed with maple syrup to get it down up until the day before I started chemo. I think it helped clean my blood like it said it would. I was diagnosed with stage 4 Nasopharyngeal carcinoma when I saw my oncologist, but I knew before hand when I went to an ear, nose , and throat guy who looked at me like I was a walking deadman when I walked into his office and said you need to go to an oncologist before I even sat down because of my swollen lymph nodes in my neck. I went thinking I had a bad ear infection or something, but after that I started doing research online and found them, MMs,Oleander extract, DMSO, and the baking soda, thinking I had to do something while looking for an oncologist. I'm still alive and I think MMs helped.