Lemonade?
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I love citrus fruits and
I love citrus fruits and live where they grow like weeds. (NW of Los Angeles) We also eat various citrus fruits all year long in abundance, and yet I still had cancer.
I could not stomach citrus fruits when I was on chemo at all. A small sweet variety tangerine I could stomach. (Cuties or Tangeolos) A half of a glass of citrus juice and I was running to the toilet. Now that Chemo is over I am eating oranges and even had a glass of Grapefruit juice. I have not dared to eat a lemon yet. (I love the miller lemons.)
Best Always, mike0 -
Different strokes for different folks
One thing to keep in mind, since we all react to individually to things...the reaction one person has to a treatment may be entirely different than another will experience. To me, it makes sense to try things on your body that seem likely to be helpful and non-harmful even if there is not consensus on the efficacy...it might work for me
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Charles HugginsSisterSledge said:Different strokes for different folks
One thing to keep in mind, since we all react to individually to things...the reaction one person has to a treatment may be entirely different than another will experience. To me, it makes sense to try things on your body that seem likely to be helpful and non-harmful even if there is not consensus on the efficacy...it might work for me
Was a young Urological surgeon at University of Chicago in the late 1920's. Having no real experience with operating on bladders, kidneys, genitals or the prostate, he was having difficulty finding patients, so he set up a lab to study prostatic fluid, which he extracted from the prostates of dogs.
He noticed that if the dog was fixed, the prostrate was shriveled, but that if he injected the animal with testosterone it revived to its full glory.
Many of the dogs came to him with cancer of the prostate (something that only happens in humans, dogs and lions) and initially, since all he wanted was the fluid, he thought these useless. However, he tried castrating one of the animals he found that the cancer shriveled with the prostate!
In the 1890's George Beatson had noticed something similar with breast cancer (it was actually something he garnered listening to the local dairy farmers discussing their cattle, he just decided to see if his human patients reacted the same way). If the uterus is removed almost 2/3rds of the time the cancer dies. Of course at this time no one knew what estrogen was, and the experiment was quickly forgotten.
Turns out there are at least two kinds of breast cancer, ER positive and ER negative (ER stands for Estrogen Receptor) that is why it did not work for all the patients. In 1962 a patent was filed in England for what was supposed to have been a birth control pill, however, instead of the intended effect of enhancing Estrogen, it stopped it cold, and was considered of no use as a drug, until its creators remembered the bit about ER Positive tumors and wondered if it could be used in the fight against cancer... Thus was born Tamoxifen, the first drug to target a specific pathway in the tumor itself rather than a general cellular poison that destroyed indiscriminately.
So yes, you are correct that there are differences. Even those who seemingly have the same cancer, in the same location can have differences, and what works for one may not work for another.0 -
Have always loved citrus
My mother was amazed that I loved lemons as a baby. All my life I have eaten a lot of lemons, limes, and grapefruit. Unfortunately I still got colon cancer. I stopped eating red meat at age 17. I had a huge organic garden and froze and canned most of what we ate out of season. Non-smoker. Never overweight. Moderate to heavy exercise all my life.
I don't think citrus can hurt at all. And I still have as much as I can tolerate. But I don't think it can be a cure for me. Might work for someone else though. We all react differently.0 -
"However, the best that can
"However, the best that can be said at this point is that citrus fruits may potentially harbor anti-cancer properties that could help ward off cancer. No reputable scientific or medical studies have reported that lemons have been found to be a "proven remedy against cancers of all types," nor has any of the (conveniently unnamed) "world's largest drug manufacturers" reported discovering that lemons are "10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy" and that their ingestion can "destroy malignant [cancer] cells." All of those claims are hyperbole and exaggeration not supported by facts. "0 -
This comment has been removed by the Moderatorthxmiker said:I love citrus fruits and
I love citrus fruits and live where they grow like weeds. (NW of Los Angeles) We also eat various citrus fruits all year long in abundance, and yet I still had cancer.
I could not stomach citrus fruits when I was on chemo at all. A small sweet variety tangerine I could stomach. (Cuties or Tangeolos) A half of a glass of citrus juice and I was running to the toilet. Now that Chemo is over I am eating oranges and even had a glass of Grapefruit juice. I have not dared to eat a lemon yet. (I love the miller lemons.)
Best Always, mike0 -
Miller Lemonunknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
Miller Lemons have thick skins similar to a grapefruit and the are the size of an orange. They have a really bright yellow skin and are much sweeter and have larger pulp then normal lemons. Millers are a popular citrus tree in SoCal for a private yard. There are some commercially grown, but a small percentage of the overall commercial lemon crop.
Best Always, mike0 -
?PGLGreg said:zest
The first part of the article (as far as I read) attributes anticancer activity to lemonene, which it says is in lemon zest. Unless you make lemonade in an unusual way, that doesn't imply that lemonade would be helpful in fighting cancer.
--Greg
The title is a play on words, nothing more.0 -
thanks blake and graciunknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
i'll add some lemon to my jiucing when i get home.
i was advised to have a lemon jiuce every morning by naturopath #3 but never rely got into it.
its tasty and does not hurt and my father in law has a lemon tree.
hugs,
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lemonsunknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
Hi Gracie,
I think they're Meyer Lemons, they grow out here in California. Really nice, not as bitter/sharp tasting as regular lemon.
http://meyerlemontree.com/0 -
limonenePGLGreg said:zest
The first part of the article (as far as I read) attributes anticancer activity to lemonene, which it says is in lemon zest. Unless you make lemonade in an unusual way, that doesn't imply that lemonade would be helpful in fighting cancer.
--Greg
Sorry, I should have written "limonene" for the agent in lemon zest said to be therapeutic.0 -
Sir,PGLGreg said:limonene
Sorry, I should have written "limonene" for the agent in lemon zest said to be therapeutic.
Given the day, I think you can consider yourself forgiven.
Hopefully you are having a happy Easter. Though the weather is nice here in So Cal, it would be nice to be there in Hawaii!
Blake0 -
TamoxifenBuckwirth said:Charles Huggins
Was a young Urological surgeon at University of Chicago in the late 1920's. Having no real experience with operating on bladders, kidneys, genitals or the prostate, he was having difficulty finding patients, so he set up a lab to study prostatic fluid, which he extracted from the prostates of dogs.
He noticed that if the dog was fixed, the prostrate was shriveled, but that if he injected the animal with testosterone it revived to its full glory.
Many of the dogs came to him with cancer of the prostate (something that only happens in humans, dogs and lions) and initially, since all he wanted was the fluid, he thought these useless. However, he tried castrating one of the animals he found that the cancer shriveled with the prostate!
In the 1890's George Beatson had noticed something similar with breast cancer (it was actually something he garnered listening to the local dairy farmers discussing their cattle, he just decided to see if his human patients reacted the same way). If the uterus is removed almost 2/3rds of the time the cancer dies. Of course at this time no one knew what estrogen was, and the experiment was quickly forgotten.
Turns out there are at least two kinds of breast cancer, ER positive and ER negative (ER stands for Estrogen Receptor) that is why it did not work for all the patients. In 1962 a patent was filed in England for what was supposed to have been a birth control pill, however, instead of the intended effect of enhancing Estrogen, it stopped it cold, and was considered of no use as a drug, until its creators remembered the bit about ER Positive tumors and wondered if it could be used in the fight against cancer... Thus was born Tamoxifen, the first drug to target a specific pathway in the tumor itself rather than a general cellular poison that destroyed indiscriminately.
So yes, you are correct that there are differences. Even those who seemingly have the same cancer, in the same location can have differences, and what works for one may not work for another.
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"the first drug to target a specific pathway in the tumor itself
rather than a general cellular poison that destroyed indiscriminately. "
More research would have indicated otherwise. Tamoxifen is apparently
unable to "target a specific pathway", but rather it "blocks the effects of
the estrogen hormone in the body."
Tamoxifen isn't without it's cautions and hazards, since it can't
isolate (target) cancer cells specifically. It can cause indiscriminate
damage to our body, just as any other toxic chemical can!
It should also be noted, that Tamoxifen is a known carcinogenic,
and is responsible for many "second cancers", or cancers that
are not related to the initial dx.
Here's some easy reading about Tamoxifen from the Mayonnaise Clinic
Be well; stay well.
John0
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