Why are people compelled to write about their religious beliefs in the specific cancer forums?
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This comment has been removed by the Moderatorherdizziness said:The Amish
Just mentioning, because well, it was brought up, no Amish seen posting.
Having been around the Amish, let me tell you we'll never see an Amish person post here. They um, if you didn't realize, don't believe in electricity, and I've yet to see a natural gas (yes, they will use natural gas)driven computer.
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It was (supposed to be) a jokeherdizziness said:The Amish
Just mentioning, because well, it was brought up, no Amish seen posting.
Having been around the Amish, let me tell you we'll never see an Amish person post here. They um, if you didn't realize, don't believe in electricity, and I've yet to see a natural gas (yes, they will use natural gas)driven computer.
Just mentioning.
I do have an old steam powered computer
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Never Read Itsea60 said:Hey Phil,
did you ever read the book 90 minutes in Heaven?
I know I've read different accounts of people who have "died" and have experienced what they feel was either something heavenly or something hellish.
Although there are many cities deemed "melting pots" here in the U.S., I think there are just a large number of people who believe in Christ, and because of that larger percentage, shouldn't be made to feel like they're monopolizing this site. They're just sharing their feelings much like you.
I'm just saying maybe you'll never really get a good balance of different faiths.
but have heard of it. I have a good friend who had an out of body experience once. It happened during a very bad skiing accident. I believe what happened to him 100%.
I have no problem with people sharing their beliefs. I find it interesting and at times even entertaining. I do not think there will ever be a balance either for many reasons. One being what you said about there being a larger percentage of Christians in the US. As far as monopolizing the site, if they do it in this forum then that's the way the cards fall. My only issue is when the intense feelings and statements (for lack of better words) are present in the specific cancer sections of the site. The religion forum is here so they can be posted here, just like colon cancer posts go in the colon cancer forum, not in the brain cancer forum.
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Holy Holy!unknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
I didn't realize that there was that much diversity within the Christian faith. But I would think that the bottom line is that they all believe that Christ was the Son of God (hence the word Christian). But why all of the diversity I wonder? I've heard similar stories on here about people being told by "friends" that they are going to hell because they belong to the wrong church or that they are not praying hard enough and that's why they either have cancer or are going to hell.
I find that so weird. More frightening really that people truly believe that someone else is of the "wrong faith" and therefore is going to hell or eternal damnation.
Thanks for the post Graci
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powerPhillieG said:It was (supposed to be) a joke
I do have an old steam powered computer
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Fortunately, mine is pedal powered, so I have it hooked up to my exercise bike. It's the only way I get any exercise. The downside, of course, is that file transfers are really slow when I'm tired.
Take care,
Joe0 -
Funny, I see alot of colonPhillieG said:Holy Holy!
I didn't realize that there was that much diversity within the Christian faith. But I would think that the bottom line is that they all believe that Christ was the Son of God (hence the word Christian). But why all of the diversity I wonder? I've heard similar stories on here about people being told by "friends" that they are going to hell because they belong to the wrong church or that they are not praying hard enough and that's why they either have cancer or are going to hell.
I find that so weird. More frightening really that people truly believe that someone else is of the "wrong faith" and therefore is going to hell or eternal damnation.
Thanks for the post Graci
-p
Funny, I see alot of colon cancer people over here... Phil, this is very similar to the whole nutrition debate. Some people believe that diet cured them and anyone with bad eating habits will never recover from cancer. Some people refuse to believe anything they did with lifestyle caused their cancer and it's just bad luck or exercise is the only way to live. There are valid arguments about all of these but they don't have to be arguments. People are permitted to express their method of dealing and fighting cancer regardless of who disagrees. I have to ask, who are you sticking up for anyway when you reply on a religious themed post and say these posts are offensive to people. If you feel something is offensive then flag it and be done. That is how the system is supposed to work. No one needs to be the spokesman of any other group of people stating that other people find something offensive. Your admonishment of someone for posting religious beliefs is as off topic and no different than their original post. You are likewise making a statement that has little to do with living or fighting cancer but simply making a personal statement. I may not have as many years on here as some but in my 1 year here I have never read a reply from a Jewish or Budist or Satanist member that was offended by a religious post. It always seems it's the agnostic or aethiest that is offended and I must ask, where is the tollerance??? It boils down to respecting others and being considerate to the mental state of someone dealing with this disease. Obviously if someone makes a religious themed post they are doing it for themselves and it is one way of handling their own unique situation. Why turn it into controversy? I also notice it is usually newer members that make the type of post you are reffering to and I believe a simple correction from Gretta should solve any questions about the use of the forum.
Well, that's my nicklel worth.
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Umimagineit2010 said:Funny, I see alot of colon
Funny, I see alot of colon cancer people over here... Phil, this is very similar to the whole nutrition debate. Some people believe that diet cured them and anyone with bad eating habits will never recover from cancer. Some people refuse to believe anything they did with lifestyle caused their cancer and it's just bad luck or exercise is the only way to live. There are valid arguments about all of these but they don't have to be arguments. People are permitted to express their method of dealing and fighting cancer regardless of who disagrees. I have to ask, who are you sticking up for anyway when you reply on a religious themed post and say these posts are offensive to people. If you feel something is offensive then flag it and be done. That is how the system is supposed to work. No one needs to be the spokesman of any other group of people stating that other people find something offensive. Your admonishment of someone for posting religious beliefs is as off topic and no different than their original post. You are likewise making a statement that has little to do with living or fighting cancer but simply making a personal statement. I may not have as many years on here as some but in my 1 year here I have never read a reply from a Jewish or Budist or Satanist member that was offended by a religious post. It always seems it's the agnostic or aethiest that is offended and I must ask, where is the tollerance??? It boils down to respecting others and being considerate to the mental state of someone dealing with this disease. Obviously if someone makes a religious themed post they are doing it for themselves and it is one way of handling their own unique situation. Why turn it into controversy? I also notice it is usually newer members that make the type of post you are reffering to and I believe a simple correction from Gretta should solve any questions about the use of the forum.
Well, that's my nicklel worth.
Take care, Chris
Greta did make a correction: she said in one of the posts here that prosletyizing was prohibited. I do not know how much clearer you can get than that.
Historically, christians and muslims have been prompted to spread the word, some denominations more strongly than others in both cases. And so, clearly, it shows up here.
There can be no doubt of that. There IS preaching going on in these boards, and even some of the people who have answered this post know that they are being hypocritical in agreeing that it should not happen, since they are among the ones that make it difficult for others to stay.
Do you realize that for some people being confronted by a strong religious, preaching presence runs them off? Is that even imaginable to you?
Well, it's true.
Is that what you want?
I believe that phil is spot on. I believe that Greta has reminded us of the ground rules. I wonder what the controversy is? It seems plain to me.
If you want to talk about cancer, come to this site. If you want to preach, come to this particular board or build a church.
Take care,
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try this onesea60 said:Hey Phil,
did you ever read the book 90 minutes in Heaven?
I know I've read different accounts of people who have "died" and have experienced what they feel was either something heavenly or something hellish.
Although there are many cities deemed "melting pots" here in the U.S., I think there are just a large number of people who believe in Christ, and because of that larger percentage, shouldn't be made to feel like they're monopolizing this site. They're just sharing their feelings much like you.
I'm just saying maybe you'll never really get a good balance of different faiths.
If you found that book to be interesting try 23 Minutes IN Hell by Bill Wiese.
RE0 -
My thoughts on this
I am pretty sure I know what prompted this post as I commented on it then decided to remove my comment as I felt it best.
Here is my view for whatever it is worth, I am a person of faith and I enjoy sharing my faith with others when it is appropriate. I am a survivor of breast cancer and that message board is pretty open to religion as long as one does not go bonkers with it. We do say I'll pray for you and we ask for prayer but beyond that we mostly support each other in our battle to fight the good fight. I have on occasion quoted a scripture if I know in fact that that person is of my faith and would benefit from the scripture, usually I do this with a private message.
There are sites that are religion based if one wishes to wear their faith on their sleeve, this is not that site and it is pretty clear when one signs up that it is not that site. I will gladly share my faith with anyone here if they ask me pointed questions but I will not overwhelm them or become angry if they do not agree with me. Other’s life and walk with God is something that cannot be forced upon anyone and if they are on the fence so to speak if I were to be aggressive, pushy, angry or intolerant it would surely turn them away from the God I would hope they would find and possibly any and all religion. Since my faith continues to be a huge part of my healing process as my faith gives me great comfort it would be very unkind and even unchristian to cause my brother to stumble. Enough said that is how I see it for what it is worth.
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UMMM, sorry Joe but you maysoccerfreaks said:Um
Greta did make a correction: she said in one of the posts here that prosletyizing was prohibited. I do not know how much clearer you can get than that.
Historically, christians and muslims have been prompted to spread the word, some denominations more strongly than others in both cases. And so, clearly, it shows up here.
There can be no doubt of that. There IS preaching going on in these boards, and even some of the people who have answered this post know that they are being hypocritical in agreeing that it should not happen, since they are among the ones that make it difficult for others to stay.
Do you realize that for some people being confronted by a strong religious, preaching presence runs them off? Is that even imaginable to you?
Well, it's true.
Is that what you want?
I believe that phil is spot on. I believe that Greta has reminded us of the ground rules. I wonder what the controversy is? It seems plain to me.
If you want to talk about cancer, come to this site. If you want to preach, come to this particular board or build a church.
Take care,
Joe
UMMM, sorry Joe but you may be mistaken. Greta did say proselytising is prohibited but she did NOT specify that what was posted WAS Proselytising. If she did then she is incorrect. There is a difference between proselytizing and preaching. Proselytizing involves coersion or force or threats in an attempt to convert someone to anothers belief or to change their opinion. Simple preaching DOES NOT. Proselytizing also shows up in the subject of treatment choices. Many people STRONGLY advocate conventional therapies noting how people they know have died because they didn't do one thing or another. People advocating alternative therapies are sometimes chastised or ridiculed with accusations that there is no solid proof of alternative treatment efficacy and to try them is foolish. Much like agnostics sometimes ridicule believers. I don't see anyone getting flagged for using scare tactics to advocate chemo and radiation but it happens. Why is it when it involves health and medicine it's advise but religion it's preaching?
This is a support forum and everyone will not be pleased all the time. We will all do better if we just say what we think or believe in our own post without confronting someone elses post.( unless the post is in the form of a question)
Joe, I have a very good imagination and I can imagine that bickering and confrontational replies are far more disstressing to people than a religious post. Can YOU imagine that the majority of people do NOT share your animosity toward religion and while they may skip over and just not read a religious post it doesn't actually SCARE them away. Are people sending you or Phil PMs saying different??? Has anyone personaly told you they don't come on here because of an occassional religious post? I have heard people say they stay off because of the arguing and fighting that follows a religious post. Who's fault is that? Also, I hardly call one out of every twenty or thirty posts a STRONG religious presence.
I personaly think Phil couldn't be further from "spot on" but that's just my opinion. The controversy seems clear to me too, some people are confrontational when they see something they don't agree with and want to tell other people what to do and not to do.
Best wishes....... Heathen....LOL
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Gracieunknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
The ones you see driving cars, using electricity are the Minunites (spelled wrong I'm sure) they are a break off of a sort of the Amish (not quite correct anology here)they will drive cars, but if you notice, there are NO radios in the cars. They don't listen to radio, TV, etc.
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Hey, Ya'll......RE said:My thoughts on this
I am pretty sure I know what prompted this post as I commented on it then decided to remove my comment as I felt it best.
Here is my view for whatever it is worth, I am a person of faith and I enjoy sharing my faith with others when it is appropriate. I am a survivor of breast cancer and that message board is pretty open to religion as long as one does not go bonkers with it. We do say I'll pray for you and we ask for prayer but beyond that we mostly support each other in our battle to fight the good fight. I have on occasion quoted a scripture if I know in fact that that person is of my faith and would benefit from the scripture, usually I do this with a private message.
There are sites that are religion based if one wishes to wear their faith on their sleeve, this is not that site and it is pretty clear when one signs up that it is not that site. I will gladly share my faith with anyone here if they ask me pointed questions but I will not overwhelm them or become angry if they do not agree with me. Other’s life and walk with God is something that cannot be forced upon anyone and if they are on the fence so to speak if I were to be aggressive, pushy, angry or intolerant it would surely turn them away from the God I would hope they would find and possibly any and all religion. Since my faith continues to be a huge part of my healing process as my faith gives me great comfort it would be very unkind and even unchristian to cause my brother to stumble. Enough said that is how I see it for what it is worth.
RE
If you scroll up to my "Beefs and stews" post, I posted the
comments that started this latest, continuing debacle.
It was only in that single comment, and it's context, that numerous
people found offensive. That entire thread containing that quoted
comment has since been removed, along with another similar thread.
(and it doesn't matter who that original poster was)
There's a difference between discussing religion, or telling someone
you will say a prayer, and quite another to suggest that one will die
regardless of treatment if one does not believe in a specific religion.
All this arguing and posturing, and claiming that some people hate religion
and religious people, only serves to divide a group that should be bound
together regardless of their religious beliefs or no religious beliefs.
Let's try to keep the debacle to the context of the comments,
and forget about all the banter regarding "oppression and hatred",
it does not exist here.
Confused comments, and misplaced arguments perhaps,
but you will find that on any forum; That's the nature of trying
to put words into text.
Best of health !!
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Hi Chrisimagineit2010 said:UMMM, sorry Joe but you may
UMMM, sorry Joe but you may be mistaken. Greta did say proselytising is prohibited but she did NOT specify that what was posted WAS Proselytising. If she did then she is incorrect. There is a difference between proselytizing and preaching. Proselytizing involves coersion or force or threats in an attempt to convert someone to anothers belief or to change their opinion. Simple preaching DOES NOT. Proselytizing also shows up in the subject of treatment choices. Many people STRONGLY advocate conventional therapies noting how people they know have died because they didn't do one thing or another. People advocating alternative therapies are sometimes chastised or ridiculed with accusations that there is no solid proof of alternative treatment efficacy and to try them is foolish. Much like agnostics sometimes ridicule believers. I don't see anyone getting flagged for using scare tactics to advocate chemo and radiation but it happens. Why is it when it involves health and medicine it's advise but religion it's preaching?
This is a support forum and everyone will not be pleased all the time. We will all do better if we just say what we think or believe in our own post without confronting someone elses post.( unless the post is in the form of a question)
Joe, I have a very good imagination and I can imagine that bickering and confrontational replies are far more disstressing to people than a religious post. Can YOU imagine that the majority of people do NOT share your animosity toward religion and while they may skip over and just not read a religious post it doesn't actually SCARE them away. Are people sending you or Phil PMs saying different??? Has anyone personaly told you they don't come on here because of an occassional religious post? I have heard people say they stay off because of the arguing and fighting that follows a religious post. Who's fault is that? Also, I hardly call one out of every twenty or thirty posts a STRONG religious presence.
I personaly think Phil couldn't be further from "spot on" but that's just my opinion. The controversy seems clear to me too, some people are confrontational when they see something they don't agree with and want to tell other people what to do and not to do.
Best wishes....... Heathen....LOL
Chris
First all, love your posts.
Secondly, well, hmmm, I've tried to reflect on my words, so they aren't offensive to you, I enjoy seeing you, your thoughts, etc.
I though, believe that when I see posts that are strictly religious, continuously religious in nature, that I get, well, I get sort of ticked off. Why is this? Because prayer did not save my first born, yes, I was deeply religious, yes I prayed fervently, yes, I believed that he would not die, all this before they put me to sleep, I awoke, to know he took his first and last breath and I was not there. They buried him while I was still in the hospital, only the Priest and the mortician were there to stand at his grave.
You see the power of prayer didn't save him, no one prayed more then I when I knew he was in distress and needed to be born. Did my prayers save him? Simply, no.
Did this turn me away from God? No.
Did this turn me away from the power of prayer? No.
But I refuse to listen to someone come on the colon network and tell me, that only God can save me. Heck I'm a worthless human being, compared to my innocent son, for whom the most powerful prayers were said for, so I KNOW the power of prayer isn't going to save my sorry arse. And that is why I have objection to it, why, I don't want to just see Bible verses spouted, why I don't want to be told, only God and God alone can save me, because just maybe he doesn't want to save me that day, so I've got to rely on something else to do so.
I want to hear how you are doing, you ask for a prayer, by golly I'm going to say one for you, you didn't ask for a prayer, but you'll get one anyway, but that's doesn't mean I'm going to spout my belief's on to you. Not in my DNA anymore. I was a Bible toting 14 year old, believing every word, even becoming a minister, ministering to the homeless and the poor, now, well, now I'm just me. I pray to a higher being, I'll offer a prayer or two and hope they do some good. I'll take a prayer or two, heck some lady came to my house today and gave one heck of a prayer for me, did I deny her that? Nope, I closed my eyes, I let her pray to her God, and I hoped that a word or two from her might of helped. Did I totally believe in it? Nope. But I won't crush or play lightly with anothers beliefs, to each their own.
But does it bother me to see it on the colon board. Simply, yes.
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This comment has been removed by the Moderatorherdizziness said:Gracie
The ones you see driving cars, using electricity are the Minunites (spelled wrong I'm sure) they are a break off of a sort of the Amish (not quite correct anology here)they will drive cars, but if you notice, there are NO radios in the cars. They don't listen to radio, TV, etc.
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Ah Correctunknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
But the Mennonite's I know in Springfield Ohio area, absolutely NONE have radio's in cars or use any the the blasphemous TV's, Ipod's, laptops etc., and I do mean none in my area of Springfield. They dress as the Amish, bonnet's, vest's, etc.,I remember one wanted a kitty of mine, but I told them he wasn't ready yet, when the time came that he was ready, I didn't know how to get hold of them. So when I was strawberry picking, I saw a Mennonite family and asked them if they knew of the one that wanted my kitty ( no name was mentioned, as I didn't remember their name). They said they knew who it was and would let them know the kitty was ready. Sure enough the next day, they were at my house to pick up the kitty kitty. You have to admire, such close knit "family".
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I had an out of body experience myself oncePhillieG said:Never Read It
but have heard of it. I have a good friend who had an out of body experience once. It happened during a very bad skiing accident. I believe what happened to him 100%.
I have no problem with people sharing their beliefs. I find it interesting and at times even entertaining. I do not think there will ever be a balance either for many reasons. One being what you said about there being a larger percentage of Christians in the US. As far as monopolizing the site, if they do it in this forum then that's the way the cards fall. My only issue is when the intense feelings and statements (for lack of better words) are present in the specific cancer sections of the site. The religion forum is here so they can be posted here, just like colon cancer posts go in the colon cancer forum, not in the brain cancer forum.
(there's an unintentional joke in there somewhere....)
That will wake you up when you have one of those I can tell you. Sure did me.
I have had other experiences that amount to healings and that will cement the fact that God truly exists in someone who has had the great nonour of receiving one. I can't describe it because it would be taken as too religious I would imagin. Actually someone messaged me as she wanted to know what had happened and in the confines of a private chat I described it but what a pity that I feel unable to do that on the boards. I do think that I explained it once when asked, on the boards, before I knew of the policy. So many people might benefit from stories like healing occurances or could have had one themselves and have just felt uneasy about sharing. I have to add that the out of body experience frightened me, the healing did not so I wonder about the sources of each. Just my little humble opinion.
Oh well, everything for a reason I say. Your comment Phil, about a friend who had an out of body experience prompted me to chime in about my experiences.
Take care Phil.
Blessings to all,
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T&Cimagineit2010 said:Funny, I see alot of colon
Funny, I see alot of colon cancer people over here... Phil, this is very similar to the whole nutrition debate. Some people believe that diet cured them and anyone with bad eating habits will never recover from cancer. Some people refuse to believe anything they did with lifestyle caused their cancer and it's just bad luck or exercise is the only way to live. There are valid arguments about all of these but they don't have to be arguments. People are permitted to express their method of dealing and fighting cancer regardless of who disagrees. I have to ask, who are you sticking up for anyway when you reply on a religious themed post and say these posts are offensive to people. If you feel something is offensive then flag it and be done. That is how the system is supposed to work. No one needs to be the spokesman of any other group of people stating that other people find something offensive. Your admonishment of someone for posting religious beliefs is as off topic and no different than their original post. You are likewise making a statement that has little to do with living or fighting cancer but simply making a personal statement. I may not have as many years on here as some but in my 1 year here I have never read a reply from a Jewish or Budist or Satanist member that was offended by a religious post. It always seems it's the agnostic or aethiest that is offended and I must ask, where is the tollerance??? It boils down to respecting others and being considerate to the mental state of someone dealing with this disease. Obviously if someone makes a religious themed post they are doing it for themselves and it is one way of handling their own unique situation. Why turn it into controversy? I also notice it is usually newer members that make the type of post you are reffering to and I believe a simple correction from Gretta should solve any questions about the use of the forum.
Well, that's my nicklel worth.
Take care, Chris
"People are permitted to express their method of dealing and fighting cancer regardless of who disagrees. I have to ask, who are you sticking up for anyway when you reply on a religious themed post and say these posts are offensive to people" IF people read the Terms & Conditions of the site it would be a moot point Chris. They don't. I am more bothered than offended by reading the scriptures that are posted in specific cancer forums. I would also be bothered if in every forum people posted their sexual preference or political affiliation. It's got NOTHING to do with the cancer. I don't care what someone's religious, sexual, or political preferences are at all.
It's not a B&W issue at all which is why it's one of those topics that is best to not be discussed at parties. There are so many opinions on it and it's not an argument that can won or lost. No one knows who created the universe and what happens after we die and all of those great questions of life. People may think they know and maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong.
You're right, my even responding to those who post scripture is off the topic of fighting cancer. There have been times when I have not responded and things snowball into topics such as "Prayers for the week of xxx-xxx". As a person who has access to this public site I am not going to sit back and be silent and let the cancer specific areas become religious forums. Being quiet does not seem to help and flagging has only gotten people to start threads about censorship and/or freedom of speech. Not posts about "Opps, I violated the T&C of the site"
I do disagree with you Chris on this being similar to the diet/nutrition debate. I don't think that saying that one should eat only healthy vegetables is the same as being told that if one does not accept Jesus as their savior that they deserve hell. Or that God gave you cancer because a person was naughty.
I do agree with the respect issue too although you may not think that I do. I respect people enough to not start posts that I know would be offensive to people dealing with their cancer in the specific cancer sections. I'm sure on THIS forum I've offended many so as far as that goes, I am no better than the others.
On another note, the colon cancer forum is second in posts only to the breast cancer forum which is probably why you see so many CC people here. It's all about T's & A's...
Also, the main "blow up" started on there.
be well
-p
PS: just one last thought on this. You say Chris that I could just ignore this (what I feel are overly religious posts) and not respond to them. You could have easily done the same with my post here but you felt strongly enough about the topic to voice your opinion on what I had to say. As you see, it's more easily said than done.
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Hi RERE said:My thoughts on this
I am pretty sure I know what prompted this post as I commented on it then decided to remove my comment as I felt it best.
Here is my view for whatever it is worth, I am a person of faith and I enjoy sharing my faith with others when it is appropriate. I am a survivor of breast cancer and that message board is pretty open to religion as long as one does not go bonkers with it. We do say I'll pray for you and we ask for prayer but beyond that we mostly support each other in our battle to fight the good fight. I have on occasion quoted a scripture if I know in fact that that person is of my faith and would benefit from the scripture, usually I do this with a private message.
There are sites that are religion based if one wishes to wear their faith on their sleeve, this is not that site and it is pretty clear when one signs up that it is not that site. I will gladly share my faith with anyone here if they ask me pointed questions but I will not overwhelm them or become angry if they do not agree with me. Other’s life and walk with God is something that cannot be forced upon anyone and if they are on the fence so to speak if I were to be aggressive, pushy, angry or intolerant it would surely turn them away from the God I would hope they would find and possibly any and all religion. Since my faith continues to be a huge part of my healing process as my faith gives me great comfort it would be very unkind and even unchristian to cause my brother to stumble. Enough said that is how I see it for what it is worth.
RE
I was wondering what you posted then removed. I think you summed up everything with eloquence and all that crap ;-)
I couldn't agree with you more with what you said here.
Thank you for your post/comments.
All the best
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I have ancestors who whereunknown said:This comment has been removed by the Moderator
I have ancestors who where Amish and others were Mennonites. As a child my parents would take me to family reunions of that line and the ladies had their caps on and wore dark dresses.0 -
Actually Chris,imagineit2010 said:UMMM, sorry Joe but you may
UMMM, sorry Joe but you may be mistaken. Greta did say proselytising is prohibited but she did NOT specify that what was posted WAS Proselytising. If she did then she is incorrect. There is a difference between proselytizing and preaching. Proselytizing involves coersion or force or threats in an attempt to convert someone to anothers belief or to change their opinion. Simple preaching DOES NOT. Proselytizing also shows up in the subject of treatment choices. Many people STRONGLY advocate conventional therapies noting how people they know have died because they didn't do one thing or another. People advocating alternative therapies are sometimes chastised or ridiculed with accusations that there is no solid proof of alternative treatment efficacy and to try them is foolish. Much like agnostics sometimes ridicule believers. I don't see anyone getting flagged for using scare tactics to advocate chemo and radiation but it happens. Why is it when it involves health and medicine it's advise but religion it's preaching?
This is a support forum and everyone will not be pleased all the time. We will all do better if we just say what we think or believe in our own post without confronting someone elses post.( unless the post is in the form of a question)
Joe, I have a very good imagination and I can imagine that bickering and confrontational replies are far more disstressing to people than a religious post. Can YOU imagine that the majority of people do NOT share your animosity toward religion and while they may skip over and just not read a religious post it doesn't actually SCARE them away. Are people sending you or Phil PMs saying different??? Has anyone personaly told you they don't come on here because of an occassional religious post? I have heard people say they stay off because of the arguing and fighting that follows a religious post. Who's fault is that? Also, I hardly call one out of every twenty or thirty posts a STRONG religious presence.
I personaly think Phil couldn't be further from "spot on" but that's just my opinion. The controversy seems clear to me too, some people are confrontational when they see something they don't agree with and want to tell other people what to do and not to do.
Best wishes....... Heathen....LOL
Chris
I had been lurking about on another cancer discussion board and some people were talking about the CSN site and how they stopped coming here because it was too religious and if they wanted preaching or scripture they'd go to church. I was quite shocked because I didn't think someone would leave for that reason either and at the time I didn't see that many religious posts. But I have to believe it now. When you don't feel well lots of things will scare you away that you'd be stronger to deal with if you were well.0
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