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hewhositsoncushions
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It is well wierd over here. Online people are bricking themselves. Outside in RL people are going alomng like nothing is happening. "Its just the flu" is all I hear.

Georges Calvez
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Hi Hew,

I have written to Vasco on this subject this morning.
Things were very quiet in France but last night we had a broadcast from Macron which closed schools, universities, banned large gatherings, etc.
According to Georgina things have now moved up a gear this morning with people doing long term shopping.
We do not have a lot locally but that could change quite rapidly.
We are in the phoney war stage; things could escalate, on the other hand they might not.
Governments are obviously hoping to control it until the warm weather arrives and that might slow down or halt the spread.
Hopefully for prostate cancer patients that are not in an advanced stage, old or immunosuppressed due to treatment, etc, they should have the same chance of surviving as the majority of the population which is very good.
Anyone who says it is just the flu is labouring under a serious misapprehension, it is a lot more infectious and a lot more lethal.

Best wishes,

Georges

Chaunceym
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Staying home mostly, pretty lonely and gives me.roo much time to think about it

 

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Yes, we are coping with the event.

They named the virus causing the CoVid-19 disease as SARS-CoV-2, which provides a better clue of its malignancy. This is an aggressive bandit among the coronavirus family, causing the well known Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome that can lead to kidney failure.

In Portugal we got 80 cases confirmed, being 5 of them detected in people living in a town 25 Km far from my place. These belong to a group of people that visited Italy for the Carnival festivities. Yesterday I was in Lisbon and noticed nothing in special suggesting that the folks are worried. But saw that people is not educated enough in terms of public hygiene manners. I saw many coughing frequently without using a mask or using an handkerchief to hold the spread of their cold (which is another coronavirus). Easily this monster will spread in crowed places in my country.
Today here in the south, we found a rush to the supermarkets which follows yesterday's Prime Minister Speech informing about the closing of schools, museums, bars/disco and sport events, including the prohibition of cruise ships from approaching Portuguese ports. They have requested restaurants and shops to serve only 1/3 of the clientele to distant the people in closed ambient. For those that have to stay at home in quarantine to look for their children or due to the disease, the government has guaranteed 50% salary pay to help the employers.

I am not so concerned but more careful. My wife and I are visiting Madeira island next week, staying ten days, however, we may become stranded in the island if the local governor decides to prohibit planes from getting there, which action has been implemented by the Acores island governor (closer to Madeira) to avoid any contagious from outside. They are clean at the moment.

Closing the country like the Americans did is on the list too. It wouldn't surprise me if Boris Johnson decides to close the the whole UK instead of closing the schools and football events.

Best

Georges Calvez
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Hi there,

I have just been for a trundle round the supermarket and no panic yet, plenty of everything and no queues.
However this is Brittany, they are more susceptible to panic in Paris, incidentally many locals where I live maintain that Parisians are not French!

Best wishes,

Georges

Steve1961
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Just outside of San Francisco and it's getting really ugly people are in a full-blown panic UCSF came out with an article that scared the but Jesus out of everybody warning everybody is going to be worse than the Spanish flu this and that it's definitely not good businesses are closing all the schools are closed all the high schools are closed all the colleges are closed all the sports or shut down it's definitely not good We shall see what happens next personally just washing my hands and we are staying home a lot not going to any place that has crowd that's all we can do right now

Clevelandguy
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Hi all,

Went to a local big chain grocery store today near Cleveland, Ohio to pick up a couple of things to eat, took a tour down the toilet paper aisle and it was completely empty. The rest of the store seemed pretty well stocked with food and supplies minus Purell and any other kind of hand sanitizer.  Crazy people panic buying. Have to start saving large leaves from the backyard in case we run out of toilet paper, LOL.....

Dave 3+4

Georges Calvez
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Hi there,

At my wife's insistence I have bought 72 rolls of toilet paper and 50 litres of cat litter, this is now stocked up in the loo.
There is still plenty of loo roll and cat litter at the supermarket!
If things get bad there is plenty of sand on the beach for the cat and we have some old newspapers we could cut up for us.
I was planning on taking the wife and cat on a special holiday this summe, it looks like that plan is dead in the water.
Lots of things like football and rugby matches are being cancelled, some of the clubs are going to lose a lot of money.
The most devastating effect will be on the economy linked to tourism, hotels and restaurants are going to go bust by the thousand.

Best wishes,

Georges

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Here is a very useful publication with lay suggestions from  Stanford University given to me by a dear friend and member of this forum. 

Stanford University Internal COVID-19 Notice

The new Coronavirus or COVID-19 may not show signs of infection for many days. By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill the entire virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon. 

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT – CORONAVIRUS:

1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold 

2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose. 

3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.

4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne. 

5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. 

6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. 

7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice. 

8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.

9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice. 

10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water! 

THE SYMPTOMS 

1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days 

2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. 

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. 

4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

 

 

VegasMike
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I am scheduled to have my robotic surgery on March 28.  Nervous about having my prostate surgery at the peak of coronavirus outbreak in the USA. Hopefully if the hosptials get filed with sick people, I will even be able to have my surgery. UGH :( 

Chaunceym
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Had mine last November, outstanding doc and quick recovery. You are exactly the person who needs to be able to have your surgery and not have to worry about catching anything else while there. Wish u all the best and a speedy recovery, it's very important to keep a good mental attitude throughout. If talking about it helps let me know

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I hope your surgery goes as scheduled and that it is successful without issues. I recall when in hospital for my surgery (2000) that there was an infectious disease caused by virus in a room at the same floor where I was recuperating. They completely isolated the zone for a couple of days and clean up were done. The operation theater is totally safe so you do not need to be worried.

Unfortunately to the many expecting to enjoy the beginning of spring, restrictions in free movement are now imposed in almost all European countries. Yesterday it was announced that tourists cannot enter into Portuguese territory by road. Travel to the coast line and laying by the beach, which is typical by this time in Portugal, are also restricted and prohibit. My trip to Madeira is over too. Fortunately  some guys got cured already and we still have no CoVid-19 deaths in Portugal.

Hopefully this bandit is stoped at its track for good.

VG

 

Georges Calvez
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Hi Vasco,

I went for a drive on Sunday afternoon and there were large numbers of Bretons walking in the countryside.
Finistére is large and we do not have a lot of people, outside Rennes and Brest, there are no large conurbations.
Quimper where we live is very small, although it has a huge cathedral which is a testament to Catholic piety but pilgrimage was a very poular activity until quite recently so it was a money making enterprise!
Macron will be on the television tonight so I guess we might be banned from walking in the park, etc, maybe even banned from leaving our homes except for essentials.
We have a technician coming round today to upgrade us from ADSL to fibre but we cannot go and buy a can of paint from the hardware shop but we can buy it in the supermarket so go figure.
The commerces will be screaming soon about the unfairness of the situation and in France they have a habit of making their voices heard.

Best wishes,

Georges

hewhositsoncushions
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Recommended lockdown viewing / reading:

 

  • The Andromeda Strain
  • Contagion
  • 93 days
  • The Book of Eli
  • The Walking Dead
  • I am Legend
  • A Canticle for Liebowictz
  • Zombieland (I/II)

 

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hewho,

Nausea, by Jean-Paul Sartre is timely.   War and Peace gives long-term occupation.  Grapes of Wrath is always inspiring.  The Dead Zone is a great, under-rated film by Stephen King, starring Christopher Walken.   A political work by Max Nordau, The Conventional Lies of Civilization, is one of my all time favorites.

Also, 1984 and Animal Farm never fails to describe current events.  You will leave Animal Farm wondering:  Did I just read that in the book, or hear it on the BBC ?

 

Georges Calvez
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La Peste aka The Plague by Albert Camus is enjoying a modest revival!
It is also a book by a Nobel Laureate so it is no light read

Josephg
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The Stand, by Stephen King.

hewhositsoncushions
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I cannot believe I missed that :)

 

I'll add The Dark Tower. Not sure the Shining fits but have it anyway :)

Georges Calvez
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Download the application on your computer or get a tablet, etc so you can download and read electronic books.
Save trees and the supply could be more reliable! :-)

 

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Yes, the Stand. It's raison d'être is still used as the means to justify virus outbreaks including the CoVid-19.

However, one shouldn't forget about the Spanish flu (another Corona virus pandemic) that killed over 50 million at the beginning of the last century. This sort of virus behind seasonal flus still leads to the death of many every year, even though it is well known. CoVid-19 could be compared to the Spanish flu as it involves a virus little known. For the moment one may just wonder how many are going to die for the wide spread in almost 150 countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/09/spanish-flu-pandemic-centenary-first-world-war

hewhositsoncushions
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Serious note

Mega dosing Vitamin D - definitely

Mega dosing Vitamin C - still trying to find out

DO NOT USE NSAIDS LIKE IBUPROFEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Georges Calvez
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Hi there,

Here are are in full lock down in France, each time we want to go outside for a range of permitted shopping, doctor's visits, etc we have to fill in one of these forms and take it with us.
https://mobile.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du-Ministere/Attestat...

Best wishes,

Georges

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Three days ago the Portuguese President declared Portugal in a state of emergency giving the power to the government to apply strict measures to hold the CoVid-19 disease.

Now people has restrictions in movement or even have to work to keep the economy going at 30% and to provide the essential services and supplies. Factories, supermarkets, banks and pharmacies are to be kept open. Shops and restaurants should be closed but can serve customers by takeaway. People older than 70 and those with chronic diseases must stay in their residences (I can't tend my orchard). Sick people should call a CoVid-19 number or be attended at their local health center instead of the local main hospitals.

No people is allowed to be on the streets unless those commuting to work, for shopping or walking the dogs. Flights were cut to less than 2% and traveling by road became prohibited in certain areas.

Portugal has become a ghost country and will be like that for a period of 15 days that can be extended by the President if out-of-laws arise.

Meanwhile the Chinese have produced already a vaccine and the Japanese managed some success in holding the SARS-CoV-2 with a modified flu drug.

Hope is in the air but so are the bad news, miss information or lay opinions (as above).

 

Georges Calvez
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Hi everybody,

I am having a calming G & T after a fraught trip round the supermarket.
Things are not too bad yet but holes are beginning to appear.
People are stocking up on flour, yeast, butter, tinned goods, cat litter and pet food.
The big shops have massive warehouses and a formidable supply chain but if this carries on for more than a few weeks some shelves will empty.

Cheers,

Georges

hewhositsoncushions
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You should be here.

Bread, rice, pasta, all the ususal stuff gone.

There is a stink over NHS shift workers going shopping and finding empty shelves to be sorted.

Top tip - if you local supermarket is short, try a local ethnic supermarket as they will not get the same footfall.

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The increase of CoVid-19 cases in Europe is very alarming. Portugal takes now the 13th place in confirmed cases and I predict it to get higher as the health system is now testing more people. Though the majority of Portuguese have been responding to the appeals of the government in keeping civil hygiene and manners approaches and staying at home there are critical situations that have not been predicted by the authorities. They have not requisite in time enough personnel and equipment to attend the crises started one month ago. Our minister of Health commented that the case is new and that she is learning from other countries results, but I think that she meant countries with similar culture that are now having a hard time.

Yesterday, a dead man waited 11 hours in a street to be retrieved and taken away by the emergency units. His wife told that he was alive after having a stroke and called the ambulance but nobody come to attend him because he demonstrated to have CoVid-19 symptoms, which we almost all have at this time of the year. This is a shame.

CoVir-19 deaths are few still with 12 numbers (double in one day) but I believe these to increase to the rates of Spain and Italy for our sort of social cuddling culture. Many guys cannot dispense their daily espressos (strong coffee) and procure places where it is served just to have a conversation with other folks. I hope that people in Europe understands the grave situation we are confronting.

There will be millions of dead in the world like it happen with the Spanish flu.

 

hewhositsoncushions
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As it bites, the idiots will go home and hopefully the case growtrh will play out the lag.

We just have to hope that the antiviral research pans out soon or they decide to take risks with it.

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This CoVid-19 monster is leading to the EU disintegration and probably to the Euro's abolition. The bureaucrat system of the European Union is slowing the decision processes to take action when comparing with the speed of the virus in propagation. Some countries like Italy and Spain are feeling the pinch for such slow responce by the European Commission which is the executive branch of the European Union. All what has been instructed by the executive (Ursula von der Leyen) was like "brushing" the issue by saying to the many "Save Yourselves".

The European Council that regulates the interests of each EU government did not specify anything in particular that would oblige the the Commission to take the lead. In reality, nobody from the EU has stepped forward to help affected countries but instead we could see the so "Save Yourselves" into action in the attitude taken by some of the countries. It has been informed that the Checks postponed the supply of medical equipment to Italy just to be prepared for what is coming to them. In fact what we see is help arriving to Italy and others from third countries like China, Russia and Cuba. Where is the Union?

The same situation can be seen in the economic matters. To curb the spread of the virus, restrictions have been imposed in peoples movement which will lead to an economic crises worse than the one of 2008th that only recently has been overcome by the EU members. Again, the Commission has given freedom to each country to deal the issue by spending/injecting money into the affected businesses but the action cannot simply be extended to a long period for the lack of available money in circulation along the period of curfew that has no predicted end. Very little is sold in a low consuption environment. I see nobody buying a car or property if they cannot drive it or see it. Italy is one of the "bigs" in the EU that most probably will enter into bankruptcy by July 2020, due to the high deficit that can be compared to the situation of affected countries in 2011 (Greece, Ireland, Spain and Portugal). This will start a chain reaction when the smaller ones see themselves with empty hands. I do not predict other big ones entering in the scenery when they may be in resection too.

Collapse can be predicted. Meanwhile folks ! .... just Save Yourselves.

VG

Georges Calvez
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Hi there,

I think it will be a transformative event, things will change radically as a result of this.
The world after coronavirus will not look like the world before.
Things will recover but whole sectors of the economy will be thinned out or obliterated.
How quickly will the whole entertainment, tourism, industry with its associated businesses like airlines take to recover?
I am not sure the EU will collapse, maybe they will huddle closer together, there is strength in numbers.

Best wishes,

Georges

Grinder
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The News is not good from here in the States... many people, especially the young are not taking it seriously.

- Students in spring break are traveling to beaches anyway and when interviewed  just scoff and laugh the virus off.

- Pranksters are taking video of themselves licking the products on the shelf at Wal-Mart calling themselves the Walmart lickers in defiance of pandemic rules.

- An NBA player wiped his sweat from his body and jersey all over the microphones and podium during a press conference in defiance of virus rules. He later discovered he has the Covid19 virus, and gave it to a teammate. Shortly after the NBA suspended the season.

- Our politicians in government are all trying to set up the other party for blame of the spread of the virus... and trying to claim success for any advancement made to curb the virus... when it is the medical science community that will make the advances. The politicians are acting like spoiled children filling the virus legislation with pet projects like cutting emissions standards for airlines to fight global warming... at a time when airlines are struggling to stay solvent. I kid you not.

There are a lot of good people making sacrifices and many Americans are being appropriately conscientious... But with the puerile response of many Americans, we may need the Grace of God to get through it.

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I was right when saying that the CoVid-19 monster may lead to the EU disintegration. "Repugnant" was the word spelled by the Portuguese minister to the media after the video-conference of the finance ministers of EU countries during their EU Council meeting. Instead of discussing unified measures to hold the crises the Dutch minister proposed an investigation to verify/confirm the reson that led Italy to an economic break down. You can read it here;

https://www.portugalresident.com/repugnant-pm-costa-launches-extraordinary-attack-on-dutch-finance-minister/

It is appalled that no one EU member has come forwards to help responding to the appeal from Italy for providing medical protective materials (masks, gloves, suits, etc). The EU Commission that looks for the interests of all EU citizens did not plan or organize an unified system to deal with the medical means reagrding the procurement of equipment and materials to fight the disease that is now a common affair not just in Europe but in all countries around the globe.
Death in Portugal has reached already to 76 among 4,300 positive cases. In the region where I live (the Algarve) there are 96 reported cases with one dead.
We stay indoors but many people from the north are driving to the south running away from the most affected region close to Porto city.

Many guys with chronic diseases are avoiding visiting hospitals for their scheduled consultations for worries with any contagious. My PCa consultation is scheduled for June which will coincide with the expected pick of CoVid-19 cases treated in hospitals. I am really worried too. I hope they delay the consultation at least 6 months.

Best to all.

VG

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"Many guys with chronic diseases are avoiding visiting hospitals for their scheduled consultations for worries with any contagious. My PCa consultation is scheduled for June which will coincide with the expected pick of CoVid-19 cases treated in hospitals. I am really worried too. I hope they delay the consultation at least 6 months."

 

After spending some time weighing various treatment options for my Gleason 6 (later upgraded to Gleason 7 (3+4) after surgery), I finally decided on a prostatectomy. Had the surgery on February 25. It's only now that I'm realizing that I may have been lucky and just slipped under the wire and that hospitals may be starting to postpone performing prostatectomies at least for relatively low grade cases like Gleason 6.

 

Grinder
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It looks as if the European Union provides little or nothing useful for its member states in a crisis like this. The EU Emperor has no clothes and this pandemic has exposed it, especially with the tragedy in Italy.

Here the mainstream media was caught airing footage of Italy's crowded Covid wings and claiming it to be New York. There was also footage from a pandemic movie being shown as the conditions in New York.

These networks must know when millions watch someone might catch them on it... but in their hubris, they disregard such consequences... They do, after all, monopolize the public airwaves to a degree.

And updating... politicians are still trying to blame the other for any pandemic failures while taking credit for any pandemic victories.

So far as I can tell, the most successful response has been South Korea... as they already had pandemic preps in place from the SARS outbreak... plus their culture honors and cherishes their elderly highly. My wife taught HS math for 40 years and all her South Korean students were remarkably different than many Western students in that regard.

Of course, Sharia countries like Iran and Communist countries like China will not reveal their real numbers or their failures, and will exaggerate their successes.

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Grinder,

Yes: the EU is essentially Soviet Bloc-governing lite.   Bless Great Britian for demanding they regain their freedom and self-determination.  I hope Poland follows Britian's lead soon.    Currently, 30% of the counties in the US have no (zero) confirmed cases.  

I have read more than once that SWEDEN has virtually no social restrictions, but extremely low infection rates.  I have not reasearched this to confirm.   We were mentioning fitting entertainment programming a few weeks ago.   The British classic "The Prisoner" has got to be the absolute perfect choice.    Patrick McGoohan is trapped in a psychotic, thought-controlled camp, and can't get out.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnQYtbbsJzM

 

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hewhositsoncushions
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The EU was a great idea but the problem was that it's purpose got corrupted into one of political gain fro each member state rather than collaboration and support. The move from economical support and reform to the idea of an EU Federal government was the end of the Great Plan as everyone vied to become the Great Leader.

There is still hope in the ashes as long as we rise up and crucify our leaders across the world for incompetence, corruption and greed that has been writ large by all this.

 

Grinder
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The Prisoner was a great series...

"I am not a number, I am a free man!"

Been a while since I watched it... I may check if it's on DVD.

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Grinder,

The beautiful part is the end, when the judge says "On Behalf of us all, we thank you."  Glad you could come by and speak your mind !

Reminds me of every form response I've ever got from a customer service department or government official's hack spokesperson.

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Here is a YouTube site that you might find worthwhile 

https://youtu.be/sjDuwc9KBps 
interesting way to handle food.

Georges Calvez
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Hi there,

France has a similar pattern of cases to most places including the USA.
Paris is pretty bad, intenational travel hub so there is a lot of cases there, the Grande Est which is close to northern Italy so that is looking pretty bad.
Up in my region we have a few hundred cases for a population of 3.3 million.
Yesterday a special train arrived full of sick Parisians to take up the ECU beds that we have waiting in an act of national solidarity.
We are only at the beginning of this adventure, there are plenty of surprises waiting down the road!

Best wishes,

Georges

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Georges, et al:

Here in America, mortality rate estimates change radically, on a DAILY basis.  Most continue to say that the death rate will eventually be proven at below 1% . It is also the prevailing wisdom that far fewer than half of all victims ever show any symptoms whatsoever.

Britain famously had a model (the 'Imperial' Model) a week or two ago that estimated 2 million deaths there, later revised down to 200,000 -- one-tenth.   US casualties so far remain far lower than the number of flu deaths in the US over the last year, and a tiny, tiny fraction of heart disease deaths.

I advise people to NOT watch TV news, since it is psychotically hysterical.   Read a responsibe online newspaper once a day -- much calmer.

As Doris Day sang in the 60s, "What will be will be.  The future is not ours to see......

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The CoVid-19 will be remembered in history as the monster that killed thousands but it will be remembered too in the EU as the virus that spoiled the dream of unionism. There are no doubts that the EU after these crises will not be the same as it was in the last 27 years since foundation. This monster has demonstrated that the facts that separated EU countries in the past are still present today and that history is not forgotten. EU patriotism is low and the "Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno" immortalized by Alexander Dumas in the novel "The Three Musketeers" doesn't exist. It is more like one for himself than the "One for all, all for one".

Madame Ursula von der Leyen, the president executive of the European Commission, finally contacted the many saying that the Union will use economic measures to help the most affected EU countries (maybe Spain, Italy and France). It is directed to those that have lost business/income/salary. The idea is to avoid layoffs by an instrument to help in short-time-work. Spain already responded that they cannot support the bill alone for much longer. Meanwhile, Japan, Luxemburg and Lithonia have responded with help in medical supplies.

Portugal has now 8,000 confirmed cases and 187 deaths. The quarantine system is leading to a lesser accentuated curve of infected people, moving towards a plateau before starting to go down. This shows that lesser patients are arriving at hospitals alleviating congestions, as we saw in Italy and Spain 's hospitals. However, it also means that the crises will be extended for a much longer period of confinement now estimated to last till the end of May or longer till a vaccine is available. Portugal is heading to bankruptcy too.

Sweden is the only country in EU that has not adopted the quarantine system. They preferred to reserve confinement to the older people and those in high risk for dying of the disease. Testing has also been done among this cohort of population. Schools and shops weren't closed and factories are in full swing. They have now about 5,000 confirmed positive patients and 252 deaths. I believe that they will have a higher number of deaths but one knows that the older will go first. In fact this is what is done in Spain and Italy (and surely in Portugal and other countries) when the choice of patients to use available ventilators is decided by the doctors treating them. The older are kept in hospitals with no IC units. Sweden will be the first country reaching the end of the pandemic in Europe.

Let's keep our camaraderie here in the forum. let's look after each other, mate.

Best

VGama

Grinder
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Just to add another wrinkle to what was just said...

Better to peruse these posts with civilized comrades than suffer the slings and arrows of social media... which is often more alarming than network newscasts. Social media such as Facebook has gotten so divisive... even opinions of this pandemic are in extreme camps...

1) It is all a government conspiracy and it's no worse than a bad cold

2) Apocalypse Now

I figure the truth is somewhere in between... the question is, which side is the truth more heavily weighted toward. I don't doubt politicians in all countries will take advantage of this crisis. And I don't doubt, like Max says, the networks are using this pandemic as their crisis-du-jour to get ratings and revenue, not to mention a bloated sense of self-importance.

I am guessing nearly everyone in this forum is over 50, putting us all in the higher risk categories... that being said, I have greater concern as my beloved wife is 67 with past bronchitis issues... making her very high risk... not so much to contract the virus but the greater danger of mortality. So we have taken greater precautions to avoid the first group I mentioned who do not take it seriously and can be asymptomatic carriers.

But at the same time we will be smart about it. I recall the Y2K hoax 20 years ago where many were expecting a complete grid crash from computers unable to handle the century reboot from 1999 to 2000. That shall go down as the great panic hysteria and prepping panacea of modern history.

On the other hand, we are also afflicted with "normalcy syndrome", recalling the lyrical talents of Frank Zappa and his song "It Can't Happen Here".

 

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50 - 60 is slightly higher risk and hen it gets exponentually highr.

Medical conditions are the biggers concern particularly cardiovascular ones.

I fought hard to lose a stone and a half (still some to go) and get my BP down to 115/75. The rest of my issues are all in my head :)

Losing weight, eathing healthily, stayiong positive and generally looking after ourselves are things we should be doing as cancer patiences anyway but are more important now!

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The CDC in the US advises anyone with a compromised immune system or over 65 to get a Pneumococcal-23 vaccine, and a booster every 5 years thereafter.

Got my booster today.    Most Covid patients who die die of pneumonia...    P-23 prevents bacterial pneumonias, but not viral ones. Bacterial is usually secondary to an earlier viral infection, my doctor told me this week.

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Good advice, Max.  Any thing we can do to strengthen our systems may turn out to be very useful.

Eric

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The Globe and Mail

European Commission apologizes to Italy for lack of solidarity in tackling coronavirus pandemic

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-european-commission-apologizes-to-italy-for-lack-of-solidarity-in/

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Can we imagine or consider a cell that has been infected by the “sars cov2” a parasite?

If yes, then Artemisinin together with an antiviral drug could become the way to fight covid-19.

The antiviral drug Favipiravir, which is a derivate from the Pyrazinamide drug that treats tuberculosis, has been in use in China and some European countries to fight Covid-19 symptoms. Favipiravir is not new and is used in Japan to treat common flu but it has also demonstrated to be efficient in newer coronavirus types. The problem with sars cov2 is that it creates havoc in invaded cells making these to produce several copies of the virus rapidly invading neighbor cells, which speed doesn’t match the effects of the antiviral drugs. Artemisinin is capable of delaying the infection by reducing the number of parasites (the poisonous biomass), allowing antivirus drugs to catching up in time to treat and eliminate the disease.

The State of Emergency in Portugal has been extended for more two weeks. People like me with cancer are now obliged to get tested for the virus before getting the periodical consultation or treatment. Mine is scheduled for June, which may coincide with the peak and havoc in hospitals dealing with covid-19. This is a worrisome situation that I want to avoid. Meanwhile the number of cases in my area is now 39 with 2 deaths (295 in the whole country). We just have to keep ourselves indoors. Fortunately, that we live in the countryside surrounded by empty fields where we walk the dogs and get some bodily activity. I recommend the many to get healthy diets at home now that one can avoid those highly processed fast food with large amounts of carbohydrates, sugar and salt.

Unfortunately, the United States has become now the center of Covid-19 in the world with the highest number of infected patients, reaching more than 300,000. Surely this is a small percentage of the total population but the death rate is high and needs fast resolution to stop the increase. Several fronts are now aligned to develop a vaccine that can take over one year to do, leaving behind the researches on antiviral drugs already well developed. I believe that Asia again will be supreme in the fight against flu, which also kills thousands each year, and it will become the saviour of the pandemic afflicting all us.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/03/japanese-drug-making-waves-treating-coronavirus-will-it-come-to-us.html

Best wishes to all my comrades.

VGama

 

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This is an interesting finding that supplements my lay opinion on the use of Artemisinin in fighting SARS Cov2. After all, this monster is not as strong as it seems to imply. The problem is how we should tackle it, encircling it into a corner and eliminating it for good. A vaccine for Covid-19 may not be as effective as a drug can be in the long term to cure it straight.

The success was found in vitro studies showing the drug's capability in increasing the permeability of the virus protective membrane paralyzing the monster and killing it. However, when applied in humans the effect may be conditional to the timing in propagation. Inactive virus, at the start of infection can be eliminated at once but once cells are invaded by the monster the parasite drug needs some help from a compound like an Artemisinin derivate that delays the infection. This is what saved thousands of military men stricken by malaria during the Vietnam war.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/cattle-wormer-ivermectin-can-kill-coronavirus-538649

Finally I see scientist in the right direction to tackle the monster.

What's your opinion mate?

Best,

VG

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Hi Vasco,

It may be possible to find a drug therapy that would partly control the disease, this would be an advance as it would mean we would not need so many ventilators. Some places are now in a situation where there is a severe shortage of ventilators.
Long term I think we need a vaccine that raises a strong immunomogical response, this would build up a reservoir of immunity in the population that would slow down the spread and eventually stop the disease.
However I think this is some time off so we are going to have to live with coronavirus for some time yet.
The good news for me is that the number of new cases in Finistère seems to be levelling off.

Best wishes,

Georges

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"It may be possible to find a drug therapy that would partly control the disease, this would be an advance as it would mean we would not need so many ventilators. Some places are now in a situation where there is a severe shortage of ventilators."

 

I havent been following the issue of ventilators closely, but from a news article I read it sounds like the use of a ventilator on a patient is sort of a "last ditch" effort to try to save a patient whose lungs can't get enough oxygen for the body (and can't expel enough carbon dioxide as well?). The article mentioned that the invasive nature of the ventilation procedure in which the patients can neither speak nor eat and have to be artificially fed means that they normally have to be put into a medically induced coma throughout the duration of the treatment. Recovery from such a long-term ventilator treatment can be very long and arduous. So I think that everyone would agree that ventilators are no panacea for new viruses such as coronavirus, and that we definitely want to focus on things like being able to quickly produce drug therapies and vaccines and accurate tests when there are future virus outbreaks.

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There is no real shortage of ventilators in the US.  One location, NYC, has had some worrisome delays.  Ford and GM are both now manufacturing ventilators, and the govenor of California a few days ago volunteered to send thousands of surplus vents to NYC.  My own local hospital recently made news by devising a way for one vent to provide support to multiple patients; I do not know exactly how that is possible, but it has been in the news, and reportedly is as effective as individual units.  Hysterical predictions of widespread, nationwide shortages were based on earlier models that massively overestimated critical cases.  Each US mortality estimate has lessoned mortality calculations, and it is (in the best estimates) well under 1% of known CV19 positives, except in the 'hot spots' like NYC.  Of course, mortality for the aged, or those with comorbities, is much higher.  I do not follow European statistics very closely, and do not know their estimates.

I was on a vent for 16 days in 1986, following a collapsed chest cavity in an auto crush injury ('paradoxical chest' or 'flail chest'; 13 rib fractures).  Clinically, any patient on the machine is 'critical.'  While it does not require induced unconsciouslness, it does require sedation and powerful muscle relaxers.   And as such, it requires ICU levels of care, and that is the real problem.   

In 1986, doctors said that 14 days was about the maximum length of time that patients can ordinarily be expected to ween from the machine after pulmonary function is restored, because the chest muscles start to atrophy.   They were quite concerned to get me back to spontaneous breathing.

A vent does not really 'cure' anything, it just gives the patient time to recover from the inability to breath, which almost always involves pneumonia.  "Suctioning," or drawing out fluids from the lungs periodically via a vaccum tube threaded down the vent, is necessary many times during the day.  I was conscious during my entire 16 days.   Being on a vent is a horrific thing, I must say.  If necessary for more than three days, ICU psychosis or delirium is routine.  I had serous ICU psychosis, with out-of-body experiences and unimaginable hallucinations.  But most of my time was lucid.

 

 

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