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Steve.Adam
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I need to start a new lifestyle thread.

I would be very interested in everyone's idea of a healthy diet for cancerv(and life generally).

I will do some reading about it but I'm sure some of you have already studied this in detail.

Steve.

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Hi, Steve

For me it comes down to simple moderation.  I'm careful what I eat and am purposeful in eating a balanced diet with fruits and fresh vegtables.  I do indulge in some desert, but not a lot.  My weakness is potato chips, but I try not to overdo it.  I'm not sure of my calorie intake compared to output, but it has to be balanced.  My weight hasn't changed in 20 years.  I exercise regularly with both running and weight lifting.  Like I said--to me a healthy diet is one with moderation.

Stub

Thuvia
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HI Steve, Great thread!

I have lost 48 pounds in the last year. That was before this nightmare began. I did it by cutting out all sugar and cutting down on carbs. (all the white stuff) Cut out added sugar, high fructose corn syrup and for awhile all fruit. My body doesn't like the sugar. All things have changed now. I will soon be seeing a Nephrologist for the medical side of this including diet and medications not to take. All in the name of kidney preservation.

I think a lot for diet will depend on whether one needs to lose weight, maintain, or lose. I need to lose 15 more so will throw in about weight loss. I was told not to do calorie restriction at this time. (I'm only 3 weeks PO radical left nephrectomy-having issue with sugar cravings so he's checking my electrolytes) I do use MyFitnessPal and plan to do a 40%/35%/25%. My menopausal body hates carbs.

A diet should be well rounded with fresh veggies, fruit and grains. (for grains I use this term lightly because what we have here in the US is not what I consider good grains. Spent some time in Europe over the summer. They don't allow GMO's. Breads were so different there)  

Lower sodium is a must and I've followed that as much as possible along with the no sugar.  Pinterest is a wealth of great recipes for every kind of diet need.

My Urologist said he will also send me to a Registered Dietician since I am very interested in making sure my diet is cleaned up.   Lucinda

 

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Who posted on here and wrote a book (or at least a PDF file) about diet for people living with cancer. I never got a copy of his work, but someone on here must have.

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didn't likely lead to our kidney cancer. Changing diets now is too late. Just eat healthy. Besides my time is limited. And when I'm on my anti-carcinogens, I'm lucky to eat anything. I'm currently on a bit of a drug holiday and all food tastes great. I'm eating all the pasta and pizza I can stuff down my throat. Followed with handfuls of holloween candy. I need to consume as many calories as possible. I've been a good 40 pounds under weight now for about 3 years.

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I'm in an in-between period right now. My tumour has not even been diagnosed. It could turn out to be anything.

So I had 6 or 7 weeks before seeing the urologist. What should I do in that time? I decided to do everything I can, but that doesn't leave many choices, really. Diet and exercise are my only real options. My diet was already fairly healthy, I think. But I'll try to improve it.

I really want to avoid being in your situation. Maybe that s not possible and maybe diet, fasting, etc. won't help but I think it's worth a lot of trouble and even some risk  to take whatever action I can now to maximise my chances.

I feel like something will work and that things will be ok for me. I don't know where that comes from but it is a strong feeling. 

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Learn to make Kate and Sidney Pie before you inflict it on your sister.

KillItWithFungus
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I highly recommend picking up the book Fungal Pharmacy. There are hundreds of edible mushrooms that contain tumor fighting properties among other health benefits. Some of them, such as Chaga, Reishi, Hen of the Woods and Turkey Tail, are highly potent! I drink about a cup or two of Chaga tea and a few drops of Reishi tincture everyday to lessen chances reoccurence. You can buy these mushrooms online in the form of pills but I prefer to venture into the northwoods of Wisconsin and collect them myself.

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I think it depends on the goal. My dietitian suggest a well balance diet, with only one to two serving of meat. He also recommend to introduce more lentils to my diet and the goal is to maintain my weight and BMI.

If the goal is to minimize recurrence, dietary treatment doesn't seems to be effective based on the studies, but it will definately help us to prevent other disease in a long run. The only thing that doctors are supporting is excrecise.

Many type of mushrooms demonstrate anti-cancer property but we will need to consume a large amount daily in order to benefit from it. I am taking AHCC (from  4 types of mushrooms) as a supplement just to reboost my immune system after my surgery.

 

KillItWithFungus
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I have a hard time believing diet is ineffective in helping prevent recurrence. Are we talking recurrence of kidney cancer or all types?  And what kind of dietary treatment is being observed in these studies? There are a wide variety of diets that claim to prevent cancer and not all are created equal.

 

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There's also a wide variety of cancers, including a variety of kidney cancers.  Also, so many variables in what's a part of our bodies, lives, and environments. 

Right now, I'm eating a perfect diet that guarantees I won't get prostate cancer.  Oh, wait.  I'm not a guy. THAT's what guarantees I won't get prostate cancer. In fact, an extra-large GMO nitrated pepperoni pizza with the works, a side of anchovies and candy corn, washed down with a six-pack of -- oh my gosh -- Olde Frothingslosh, and I'm still safe. 

I suspect that some people simply aren't as cancer-prone, although not so obviously so as my "perfect diet" / "oh wait" example. I also think our immune system components have their "SQUIRREL!" moments, and that's when the cancer scampers in (from the other direction). Or something like that. But I'd hate to be the one to have to design and oversee a study to try to determine if eating "X" results in (or even is associated with) a higher incidence of "Y" cancer. 

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I am reffering to kidney cancer only. Those studies focus on the popular alernative treatments such as ginseng, reishi mushrood and etc. But there are studies also showing these treatments are effective on preventing multiple types of cancer or even improve overall survival of the patient (such as AHCC on liver cancer).

Also, healthy diet is proven to prevent new cancer but recurrence is not consider new cancer. In terms of the dietary suppliments, it is another story. For example, Fucoidan shows a very promising anti-cancer property but we have to consume over ~3.5 kg of seaweed daily in order to achieve the effive dose. Interestly, a research that I know told me in one of their study regarding the efficay of Yun Zhi (Coriolus versicolor). ~27% of the colon cancer patients who received placebo shows improvement compared to patients receiving standard care.

You can goto NCBI's website for more information if you are interested. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?

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I'm on it!

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That's a lot. I'd have to live bobbing around in a kelp bed with the sea otters.  As for the Yun Zhi, perhaps the placebo patients got to chew on old Birkenstock insoles instead. If it's anything like lots of other shelf fungus, that stuff's tough. Or maybe it was Birkenstock insole extract and shelf fungus extract.  Still...

I wonder who thinks up this stuff (lots of good "what if" going on here and there).  Heck, I'm impressed with the first person who way back decided to cook up a mess of nettles.  Just for fun (or out of desperation). 

Thuvia
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I agree about the "goal." For me my goal is to get the remaining 15 pounds off and prevent diabetes to protect my remaining kidney. And also to keep my BP down. The 48 pounds lost helped a lot. Came down from in the lower 140's/ 80's to running now at about 118.756... give or take.

I agree with the comment that bad diets didn't necessarily lead here...sure didn't help either.

 

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Everyone online who talks about 'anti cancer' diets stresses vegetables.

I'll never be a raw vegan, but I will most likely eat smaller meals with more vegetables and less meat/protein.

I'll also stick to low carb options and probably avoid most dairy food.

I will continue to do some intermittent fasting and generally only eat when I am hungry. This last one is difficult because life has routine patterns and eating has to fit in with them so routine eating habits develop naturally.

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Hmmm, let's see --

I've eaten fiber-rich plant foods (organically grown or typically of the "clean 15" -- low pesticide residue -- and non-GMO variety), very little meat (and usually just organically raised or wild caught / lower mercury), absolutely no nitrates or nitrites, and am basically a tea-totaler (although in reality it's more like 10% tea and 90% coffee) for about 2/3 of my life. I eat carbs, but mostly veggies and whole grains. When I eat bread, it's of the sprouted variety.  Yeesh. I'm a regular wheat-germer (Figuratively, not literally:  I can't remember the last time I ate wheat germ :-D )! 

Yet here I am.  I think this RCC is more the "luck" of the draw. 

Jerzy

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It must have been that salami you ate when you were 16. (Don't ask me how I knew about it.)

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It was Blutwurst and Schwartenmagen. I was 15. And I should probably count the Mettbrötchen when I was 10 or 11.

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Sad to see such an innocent young thing led so badly astray.

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It could have been wurst.

 

 

 

I'll get my coat.

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