Healthy diet

HI Steve, Great thread!

I have lost 48 pounds in the last year. That was before this nightmare began. I did it by cutting out all sugar and cutting down on carbs. (all the white stuff) Cut out added sugar, high fructose corn syrup and for awhile all fruit. My body doesn't like the sugar. All things have changed now. I will soon be seeing a Nephrologist for the medical side of this including diet and medications not to take. All in the name of kidney preservation.

I think a lot for diet will depend on whether one needs to lose weight, maintain, or lose. I need to lose 15 more so will throw in about weight loss. I was told not to do calorie restriction at this time. (I'm only 3 weeks PO radical left nephrectomy-having issue with sugar cravings so he's checking my electrolytes) I do use MyFitnessPal and plan to do a 40%/35%/25%. My menopausal body hates carbs.

A diet should be well rounded with fresh veggies, fruit and grains. (for grains I use this term lightly because what we have here in the US is not what I consider good grains. Spent some time in Europe over the summer. They don't allow GMO's. Breads were so different there)  

Lower sodium is a must and I've followed that as much as possible along with the no sugar.  Pinterest is a wealth of great recipes for every kind of diet need.

My Urologist said he will also send me to a Registered Dietician since I am very interested in making sure my diet is cleaned up.   Lucinda

didn't likely lead to our kidney cancer. Changing diets now is too late. Just eat healthy. Besides my time is limited. And when I'm on my anti-carcinogens, I'm lucky to eat anything. I'm currently on a bit of a drug holiday and all food tastes great. I'm eating all the pasta and pizza I can stuff down my throat. Followed with handfuls of holloween candy. I need to consume as many calories as possible. I've been a good 40 pounds under weight now for about 3 years.

I think it depends on the goal. My dietitian suggest a well balance diet, with only one to two serving of meat. He also recommend to introduce more lentils to my diet and the goal is to maintain my weight and BMI.

If the goal is to minimize recurrence, dietary treatment doesn't seems to be effective based on the studies, but it will definately help us to prevent other disease in a long run. The only thing that doctors are supporting is excrecise.

Many type of mushrooms demonstrate anti-cancer property but we will need to consume a large amount daily in order to benefit from it. I am taking AHCC (from  4 types of mushrooms) as a supplement just to reboost my immune system after my surgery.

lobbyist0724 said:

The goal

I think it depends on the goal. My dietitian suggest a well balance diet, with only one to two serving of meat. He also recommend to introduce more lentils to my diet and the goal is to maintain my weight and BMI.

If the goal is to minimize recurrence, dietary treatment doesn't seems to be effective based on the studies, but it will definately help us to prevent other disease in a long run. The only thing that doctors are supporting is excrecise.

Many type of mushrooms demonstrate anti-cancer property but we will need to consume a large amount daily in order to benefit from it. I am taking AHCC (from  4 types of mushrooms) as a supplement just to reboost my immune system after my surgery.

 

I have a hard time believing diet is ineffective in helping prevent recurrence. Are we talking recurrence of kidney cancer or all types?  And what kind of dietary treatment is being observed in these studies? There are a wide variety of diets that claim to prevent cancer and not all are created equal.

Steve.Adam said:

Doing all I can

I'm in an in-between period right now. My tumour has not even been diagnosed. It could turn out to be anything.

So I had 6 or 7 weeks before seeing the urologist. What should I do in that time? I decided to do everything I can, but that doesn't leave many choices, really. Diet and exercise are my only real options. My diet was already fairly healthy, I think. But I'll try to improve it.

I really want to avoid being in your situation. Maybe that s not possible and maybe diet, fasting, etc. won't help but I think it's worth a lot of trouble and even some risk  to take whatever action I can now to maximise my chances.

I feel like something will work and that things will be ok for me. I don't know where that comes from but it is a strong feeling. 

Learn to make Kate and Sidney Pie before you inflict it on your sister.

KillItWithFungus said:

I have a hard time believing

I have a hard time believing diet is ineffective in helping prevent recurrence. Are we talking recurrence of kidney cancer or all types?  And what kind of dietary treatment is being observed in these studies? There are a wide variety of diets that claim to prevent cancer and not all are created equal.

 

There's also a wide variety of cancers, including a variety of kidney cancers.  Also, so many variables in what's a part of our bodies, lives, and environments. 

Right now, I'm eating a perfect diet that guarantees I won't get prostate cancer.  Oh, wait.  I'm not a guy. THAT's what guarantees I won't get prostate cancer. In fact, an extra-large GMO nitrated pepperoni pizza with the works, a side of anchovies and candy corn, washed down with a six-pack of -- oh my gosh -- Olde Frothingslosh, and I'm still safe. 

I suspect that some people simply aren't as cancer-prone, although not so obviously so as my "perfect diet" / "oh wait" example. I also think our immune system components have their "SQUIRREL!" moments, and that's when the cancer scampers in (from the other direction). Or something like that. But I'd hate to be the one to have to design and oversee a study to try to determine if eating "X" results in (or even is associated with) a higher incidence of "Y" cancer. 

KillItWithFungus said:

I have a hard time believing

I have a hard time believing diet is ineffective in helping prevent recurrence. Are we talking recurrence of kidney cancer or all types?  And what kind of dietary treatment is being observed in these studies? There are a wide variety of diets that claim to prevent cancer and not all are created equal.

 

I am reffering to kidney cancer only. Those studies focus on the popular alernative treatments such as ginseng, reishi mushrood and etc. But there are studies also showing these treatments are effective on preventing multiple types of cancer or even improve overall survival of the patient (such as AHCC on liver cancer).

Also, healthy diet is proven to prevent new cancer but recurrence is not consider new cancer. In terms of the dietary suppliments, it is another story. For example, Fucoidan shows a very promising anti-cancer property but we have to consume over ~3.5 kg of seaweed daily in order to achieve the effive dose. Interestly, a research that I know told me in one of their study regarding the efficay of Yun Zhi (Coriolus versicolor). ~27% of the colon cancer patients who received placebo shows improvement compared to patients receiving standard care.

You can goto NCBI's website for more information if you are interested. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?

lobbyist0724 said:

I am reffering to kidney

I am reffering to kidney cancer only. Those studies focus on the popular alernative treatments such as ginseng, reishi mushrood and etc. But there are studies also showing these treatments are effective on preventing multiple types of cancer or even improve overall survival of the patient (such as AHCC on liver cancer).

Also, healthy diet is proven to prevent new cancer but recurrence is not consider new cancer. In terms of the dietary suppliments, it is another story. For example, Fucoidan shows a very promising anti-cancer property but we have to consume over ~3.5 kg of seaweed daily in order to achieve the effive dose. Interestly, a research that I know told me in one of their study regarding the efficay of Yun Zhi (Coriolus versicolor). ~27% of the colon cancer patients who received placebo shows improvement compared to patients receiving standard care.

You can goto NCBI's website for more information if you are interested. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?

That's a lot. I'd have to live bobbing around in a kelp bed with the sea otters.  As for the Yun Zhi, perhaps the placebo patients got to chew on old Birkenstock insoles instead. If it's anything like lots of other shelf fungus, that stuff's tough. Or maybe it was Birkenstock insole extract and shelf fungus extract.  Still...

I wonder who thinks up this stuff (lots of good "what if" going on here and there).  Heck, I'm impressed with the first person who way back decided to cook up a mess of nettles.  Just for fun (or out of desperation).