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Dumb question: If my cancerous (presumably diseased) kidney is gone, do I have kidney disease?

anmazon
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Hello All.  Someone asked me today if I had checked the kidney disease warning label on my deodorant.  Of course, my response was, "huh?"  So I got home, and sure enough, there is a statement that I should check with my physician before using this particular brand of deodorant if I have kidney disease.

I know this seems completely picayune, but is it safe to use deodorant?

(In New Mexico, during the summer, this is not a small issue)

If nothing else, I'm looking forward to hearing some highly amusing responses to my panicked question.

Warm regards.

Anne

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foxhd
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But all the talk about chilli dogs got to me. So I heated up some pizza. I have excellent blood work so until something shows an issue, I live like I have a thousand years to go. I would go crazy counting calories, watching carbs and fats etc. Those weren't the factors that got me into this mess.

anmazon
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And I hope to someday reach that point, but in the meantime, I'm jumping at shadows and scared spitless of about everything.

 

Except for the night of the Perro caliente con Chile.

 

Annie

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Tillie,

You just gave away your generation when you quoted the old commercial with Bernie Kopell and the anti snore patent medice he pushed!  LOL  Of course so did I just now!

I guess your doctor just demonstrated the accuracy of the old "Peter Principle." A personis promoted to their highest level of inefficiency!

Good luck!

Michael

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I can imagine how brassed off you both are but, in fairness, it's all too easy to miss something you're not looking for in a scan when you see what you are looking for and have limited time for study.

However, it is a stark warning isn't it!  I never realised how little time radiologists are typically allowed to look over a scan and make out a report.  That seems to be what's wrong.  When you know that, you know not to be so trusting, don't you?

A comment to Tillie - yes it's great that chRCC is so slow growing UNLESS AND UNTIL it turns sarcomatoid. That you don't want.  After mine did, the rate of growth increased by 100 times or more, such that a sizeable tumor can grow from nothing in a matter of weeks! 

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Hi Tex.  I got my path report today, and it did say that there was no evidence of sarcomatoid.  That's not all it said, but I'm not sure I'm ready to actually put it down on "paper" just yet.  Suffice it to say, I'm even more p.o.'d at my doctor who didn't tell me the facts than I am at the radiologist who missed the tumor 3 years ago.  Three years pales in comparison to what I'm feeling right now.Sealed

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Whatever else, Tillie, be very glad you don't have any sRCC change. 

Your prospects now are really good and you can go and paint the town red with the likes of Annie; just add in Alexandra and you'd make some terrible trio!

anmazon
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Mr. Wedgie, 

Yeah!  Look out world.  Annie, Alexandra and Tillie!

Triple Trouble!

Annie

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MDCinSC
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THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE!!

Tongue Out

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That's for sure! Lol

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Annie, Alex, and TIllie, oh my... Annie, Alex, and Tillie, oh my..!!  :)

anmazon
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Fuggeddabout lions, tigers and bears, we've got Annie, Alex and Tillie!

Annie

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Laughing  And we are here to stay!

anmazon
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Innocent Yeah!!!

 

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Hi Texas, I know it is easy to miss something on a scan, and it often happens. However in my case they were supposed to be checking the right kidney for a tumour recurrence. The MRI which I had later showed the tumour smack bang on the old site. I was very angry at the time, but there is little point in fretting over it, you just have to deal with it. I consider myself lucky that they found it, albeit belatedly.

Djinnie x

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I wonder if radiologists can be held accountable for malpractice? I know it doesn't help, really. But still, it sounds like malpractice.

Todd

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Of course they can - in principle - but being able to make anything stick is a different matter entirely! 

Moreover, of course, there's a limit to what we should demand, in our own best interests - we don't want to set the bar of personal liability so high that we put prospects off from entering a crucially important medical field, or alternatively make them so frightened of litigation as to inhibit them in expressing their judgements.

I think that our best defence lies in having a well set up system with enough back up to allow adequate double-checking, ideally in the context of the MDT approach - multi-disciplinary teams, giving each case very thorough consideration.

anmazon
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Finally asked my doc about deodorant. I thought this was interesting.  Definitely not going "French" though.

Concerns about antiperspirants and kidney disease were first raised many years ago, when dialysis patients were given a drug called aluminum hydroxide to help control high phosphorus levels in their blood. Because their kidneys weren't functioning properly, their bodies couldn't remove the aluminum fast enough, and it began accumulating. Scientists noticed that dialysis patients who had these high aluminum levels were more likely to develop dementia.

As a result, the FDA requires antiperspirant labels to carry a warning that reads, "Ask a doctor before use if you have kidney disease." Yet this warning is only meant for people whose kidneys are functioning at 30% or less.

In reality, it's almost impossible to absorb enough aluminum through the skin to harm the kidneys. "Unless you eat your stick or spray it into your mouth (DEFINITELY DON”T DO THIS), your body can't absorb that much aluminum," says nephrologist Leslie Spry, MD, FACP, spokesperson for the National Kidney Foundation.

 

 

Since there are probably many alternatives (or you could simply go “French”), I would probably make a change.

 

JD

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I got this new stick deodorant today.  The instructions said remove cap and push up bottom.


I can barely walk, but my farts smell awesome.

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Tongue Out

 

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Or dillusions of grandeur, big time...!!  :)

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You had what they call a Mum Bum Gary:-) I hesitate to ask what you are using on you armpits!!

Djinnie x

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Preparation H

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I am just glad that toothpaste has not entered the equation!! 

Djinnie x

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Laughing

anmazon
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That stinks!

 

Annie

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Innocent

 

anmazon
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Innocent

 

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 Was it the tale about the old man who confused his toothpaste with preparation H?....and cured his hemmorrhoids with Colgate? 

anmazon
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Yeah, then he pushed his deodorant up his bottom...

And then it got really ugly.

Annie

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Texas_wedge
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Huh!!  and Gary and I get called 'the bad boys'!

anmazon
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Innocent

Welcome to the Bad Girls Club.

If you're really nice, we'll make you honorary members.

Annie

 

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Hi ya Annie gal..!!   To me, I am already a joiner... ya see I got this big scar.. and I got opened up... and I delivered an ugly baby... a huge ugly baby...  I now claim I indeed to know what child birth is like...   But I prefer not to rub or spray my pits... that stuff has always had an adverse reaction for me...     Now as far as Gary goes... well.. there is a joke about that somewhere.... something about being in a bar and offering to push in your stool...  ahem...

Ron

anmazon
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Ron, based on your hilarious response, I hereby name you President-For-Life of the Bad Girls Club, with all the duties and honors attendant.

Welcome to the club, girlfriend!

Annie

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Didn't he go on to become the pioneer of 'Being the butt of all the jokes'...:)

 

Djinnie x

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