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Just saw a vegan alternative doctor.
We spent a few hours going over the story.

She was pretty happy with me, and said lets call this pete vegan project.

so the 100grams a day of animal and my beloved organic freerange poached eggs are now in my food museum.

the wife is ok with this, so the whole family is going vegan.

doing markers on tomorrow and then again in 4 weeks.

besides the protein, she stressed the amount of sleep i get.

so 10pm in bed every night for a solid 8 hours sleep.

supplements dropped iodine picking up kelp
vit d down to 1000ui down from 5000ui which is down from 10000ui a month ago.
dropping vit c for 3 weeks.

if i can get the natural food form a vitamin, thats where its going to come from

we are off camping on the beach for about 3 weeks with friends ( not vegans )
so we will live on organic veg and fuit and some nuts.

the only supplement i am boosting is b12.

planning on lots of surfing and meditation and no internet, to that end i will not take the laptop. i may take a few good books.

goto dash to yoga.

this doctor was pretty happy with my health, she did a skin test for cartononoids and mine were excellen. the beetroot, celery and carrot juices have helped.

most of my supplements have been reduced as i am in good levels across all my tests.

sleep is the number one priority now.

hugs,
Pete

ps i will do the test, but i won't get the results until i get back
pps don't try anything that i do, its just a big fun experiment for me!

UPDATE

so my cea yesterday is 30, up by 3 over 4 weeks.
saw my onc she is kind of positive that is the marker stabilises at this level it is a good prognostic indicator. so i am happy, my onc is pretty conservative.

so was concerned about my vegan diet, and i offered her the deal that i will be 90 kg of muscle only in 2 more months or i will see her nutritionist.

i have also dropped vitamin C for the last 4 weeks as i was away in the bush and on a vehan retreat.

the theory is that if it is a recurrance then either the vit c has caused a small reduction or the vegan diet has caused a small increase. A movement of a point up or down is within the tolerance of the tests, so basically my cea is stable for the last 2 months with no conventional treatment.

I am seeing now possiblity of adding back the vitamin c, the accuptuncture as well as keeping the vegan lifestyle going using the sledgehammer diet from misty mountains and the interval traing and sauna based therapy at the gym.

goto run , literally right now.

my digestion is rock solid, perfect results from the latest indicans test, and my motions appear good. one lingering problem is the lack of production of stomach acid, ie weakness in digesting proteins. i am supplementing these. i need to get the stomach cells manufacting hcl asap naturally. of course, i am still taking a vast array of key supplements.

I am sleeping very well in bed religiously 10pm and waking 5am most days refreshed. The sun is rising here. another beautiful day. I bit sad today as dave and dave passed away recently one was in my bowel cancer support group and the other the meditation support group. as you know with my mind set these deaths only serve to motivate me more.

it is a really glorious sunrise downunder, my family is committed to the vegan experiment to keep dad alive, i asked the kids principle about pulling the kids out of school to go on another advanced gawler couples retreat, she said yes, so did the wife.. so the family is driving 3000km round trip in a few weeks to visit friends and family on a farm and in the mountains and then develop our meditation skills further.

I also asked about pulling the kids out of school for 2 terms and going to live on the health retreat where i have been offered a job helping to develop their organic garden.

I thought i woul;d share my good news. I am feelign positive and looking forward to today and the relay for life tomorrow which should be interesting.

hugs,
Pete

ps i still have to see my teams of naturopaths and doctors and doing more tests and awaiting many results. i am still keen to start chelation therapy, in the interim i am doing a couple of colonics a week, with enemas on the non colonic days. the focus is on keeping the vegan diet and nutrition at optimum levels while still pushing selected anti cancer alternative therapies like bi card, b17, avemar, mcp, sfn, vitc ? artemether, genistan etc etc etc. as the alternative/complementary window is still open for me to experiment as conventional has nothing to offer me at present. I pray these strategies work everyday and maybe i will just have to leave conventional medicines bigs loaded in the top draw. hopefully that draw can stay closed and i can stay here.

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Hey Pete,

Welcome to my world. No meds, No supplements then only vit D and juicing, plus Monaviejuice, green gold and purple alternately.
I will have fish and some chicken, but I am mainly vegan.
Love my protein powder in the fruit smoothies. I have lots of energy.
Works for me, onc says I am healthier then ever, doing CT scan on may 7, first after dx and resection.
I declined the chemo and radiation, MY decisission and I am glad I did.
I hope it works for you also.
i read the book Natural Cures from Kevin Trudeau I don.t know if you know this book.
Lots to ponder about in that one.
Enjoy your vacation, make lots of memories for later so you can look back on them.

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I just hope the vegan approach works and keeps us well, I will get the book.
Hugs,
Pete

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I am mostly vegan too. It wasn't really a concious decision. Evan though I still crave meat I can't bring myself to eating it or dairy. I think it is my survival instinct wanting to do everything I can to beat this beast.

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this hard core vegan doctor, insisted that the 150 grams of chicken and fish a day was responsible for acid environment, she has succeeded in other cases of marker increase, so i said i am yours for 3 months.

the family is following also, if it works i am vegan for life, if not well we are all going to die someday.

still plenty of more things to try if the vegan approach fails, but i am optomistic, its a geneitc failing of mine.

i am just glad i am not embarking on this solo. i sincerely appreciate the support. its a big commitment. i have just spent $600aud on vegan nuts berries and others for our family camping holiday over 3 weeks.

hugs,
pete

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We eat mainly a raw whole food plant diet.
There is so much information out there about the health benefits.
Former president Clinton eats a vegan diet to protect his heart.

Video on Clinton's diet
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/fitness-food/diet-nutrition/story/2011-08-23/Bill-Clinton-declares-vegan-victory/50111212/1

Two videos among many on eating a whole food plant diet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNCGkprGW_o&feature=related
Forks over knives....can view on Netflix

Right now my husband is ned...would like to keep it that way.

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my friend who turned vegan was very low, without realizing!!! Green leafies...like...oh, I don't know....Kohl!!!! And Endive!!!

Knuffels, Kathi

(BTW, The Netherlands is banning all but free-range eggs...all of the big egg farms are being dismantled. Result? Immediate price hike...gotta love the enterprising Dutch, not all eggs are freerange yet, but all are sold at the higher prices...*smile*)

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It's important with a plant based diet to eat
a variety of foods especially greens.
After eating a plant food diet my husband's blood
numbers improved. His Hemoglobin which was always
on the low side for over a year improved to normal.

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I eat 3 salads a day and mix kale in with my morning carrot juice.

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UPDATE

so my cea yesterday is 30, up by 3 over 4 weeks.
saw my onc she is kind of positive that is the marker stabilises at this level it is a good prognostic indicator. so i am happy, my onc is pretty conservative.

so was concerned about my vegan diet, and i offered her the deal that i will be 90 kg of muscle only in 2 more months or i will see her nutritionist.

i have also dropped vitamin C for the last 4 weeks as i was away in the bush and on a vehan retreat.

the theory is that if it is a recurrance then either the vit c has caused a small reduction or the vegan diet has caused a small increase. A movement of a point up or down is within the tolerance of the tests, so basically my cea is stable for the last 2 months with no conventional treatment.

I am seeing now possiblity of adding back the vitamin c, the accuptuncture as well as keeping the vegan lifestyle going using the sledgehammer diet from misty mountains and the interval traing and sauna based therapy at the gym.

goto run , literally right now.

my digestion is rock solid, perfect results from the latest indicans test, and my motions appear good. one lingering problem is the lack of production of stomach acid, ie weakness in digesting proteins. i am supplementing these. i need to get the stomach cells manufacting hcl asap naturally. of course, i am still taking a vast array of key supplements.

I am sleeping very well in bed religiously 10pm and waking 5am most days refreshed. The sun is rising here. another beautiful day. I bit sad today as dave and dave passed away recently one was in my bowel cancer support group and the other the meditation support group. as you know with my mind set these deaths only serve to motivate me more.

it is a really glorious sunrise downunder, my family is committed to the vegan experiment to keep dad alive, i asked the kids principle about pulling the kids out of school to go on another advanced gawler couples retreat, she said yes, so did the wife.. so the family is driving 3000km round trip in a few weeks to visit friends and family on a farm and in the mountains and then develop our meditation skills further.

I also asked about pulling the kids out of school for 2 terms and going to live on the health retreat where i have been offered a job helping to develop their organic garden.

I thought i woul;d share my good news. I am feelign positive and looking forward to today and the relay for life tomorrow which should be interesting.

hugs,
Pete

ps i still have to see my teams of naturopaths and doctors and doing more tests and awaiting many results. i am still keen to start chelation therapy, in the interim i am doing a couple of colonics a week, with enemas on the non colonic days. the focus is on keeping the vegan diet and nutrition at optimum levels while still pushing selected anti cancer alternative therapies like bi card, b17, avemar, mcp, sfn, vitc ? artemether, genistan etc etc etc. as the alternative/complementary window is still open for me to experiment as conventional has nothing to offer me at present. I pray these strategies work everyday and maybe i will just have to leave conventional medicines bigs loaded in the top draw. hopefully that draw can stay closed and i can stay here.

pss everyday i am touched by kindness, today the naturopath in my local health shop gave me a complimentary jar of arnica cream to rub on my thigh where its swollen when i fell through this bridge. i am getting ready the relay for life. And yesterday an old business friend Dan who is one of australias largest coffee roasters and importers gave me a big bag of organic coffee. he knows what its for, and i might have my own blend named after me. pete's blend specially for enemas. i think that kind of a hoot!

pps my vit d has crashed down to 127 from 256. i have dropped my daily dose down to 1000ui from 10000ui. over the last month i have done as much sunbaking as possible. i suspect i will be upping the dose to 5000ui, but i will stick at 1000ui until i get a conses from naturopaths and doctors about whats a good target level.

ppps doing colonics and infrared saunas. the guy, his name is guy kindly through in the sauna when i come for a colonic. i won these about 6 months ago. i needed a letter of clearance from my gp about being ok to have colonics. its a year today when i was reconnected. thats a strange anniversay if their was everone. the recoonection blues are as vivid as ever. not something i would go through again if i had a choice in it.

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Ik heb je rug (direct translation from English...I have your back)....

Beste, Kaatje

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Hi, Pete!

Congratulations on becoming Vegan! I feel much better being vegan. When you are saying you are boosting B12 - does that mean you are taking it or you are not? I know that B-12 is the only thing that is missing from a Vegan diet but there is a data that B-12 is not good for colorectal cancer. If you are taking B-12 please do some research to determine if you want to continue with that.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding but did you say the Vegan diet can raise your CEA levels without there being cancer?

Wishing you the best, Pete! I am very happy for you!

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Good for you for becoming even more committed to a healthy lifestyle and your own special path of getting there.
Glad to hear you family is with you this round...I mean, that's what it's all about, living that is. Love, and being with our loved ones.
A Vitamin C toast to you Pete!
Take care~

lauragb
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Pete, How is your bowel functioning on this diet? I know you said your digestion is good. I'm due for a takedown pretty soon and after post-op period want to move more towards a vegan diet but I am curious about how you and others "function" with this diet, and with juicing too. I notice when I have a lot of greens in my juice the ostomy output is fast, so curious about that after takedown too.

Sounds like you keep on keepin on.
Have a great trip, sounds like so much fun.
Laura

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hugs,
pete

ps will reply to the others in 24 hours going for the relay for life marathon in 15 minutes.

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One wonders, my husband of 6 years is 67 and he was a big meat eater still loves it but I wont let him have much. I on the other hand have almost never like any meat my whole life vegtables are my favorite food. I have had digestive problems all my life but no cancer. I tend to think had I been a big meat eater I would have cancer of the colon.
My husband was 4 years cancer free but now has 2 nodes swollen and is doing Chemo. Cea has gone from 46 to 17. Good to see you can do the things you love.

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i hope your husband's health improves.
its nice to hear from other vegetarians , not to many on this board.

I am new to the vegan life, its getting easier day by day.

hugs,
pete

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Pete,
Glad to hear you have found eating healthy, local, fresh is better than supplements we do not know what has been added or how they are manufactured. The nutritionists say food better than supplements, local in season picked fresh is best.

My husband and I are transitioning to a more local seasonal vegan diet.
NB

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As a family are doing the vegan experiment.

As long as the cea is stable and my health improves I am sticking to the vegan life and selected therapies.

Saving alot of money on supplements on hold and alternatives.

It's nice to have a few vegans here on csn.

I have another scan and cea in 6 weeks.

So I will see how the sulphorapane and glisodin supplements work.
As of today I am dropping alpha lipoic acid and activated qercetin and trying to get these from diet.

Hugs,
Pete

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Hi, Pete... I turned full vegan in January. You mentioned something about the vegan diet effecting CEA levels. Please let me know what you found out about that. Also, about the B12, because I know the vegan lifestlye is missing it but I had heard that B12 wasn't good for colorectal cancer. I am new to the vegan way so an insight would be great. Thank you!

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I am new to this as well , let's share our vegan tips and tricks.

Get 24 hours urine results today. They are important focusing on all sufficiencies.

said I am yours for 3 months, my focus is the diet, it's detailed,
Focus on legumes, vegetables and then nuts and seeds.

B12 is essential, will ask doctors, I used to get it meat now I get it sub lingually.

Can you post issues for colorectal and b12.

My focus over next 2 months is gaining muscle.

Hugs,
Pete

Ps doing green smoothies, juicing. Got organic kale yesterday.

Pps praying like he'll something works, I hope with a large H that something gets my cea down. The miracle of our biology.

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He said onc about small rise, he wants a fall like the earlier month which had 4 vit c per month.
So adding back vit c and some my original supplements to the vegan healthy lifestyle.

My urea and creatinin is good considering vegan diet.

Meditating to find peace given conflicting opinions of alt doctors

Hugs,
Pete

Ps started reading clean ,green and lean by Walter Clinton. He wad the keynote speaker at the us seminar I went to.
I cannot put it down

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Sorry you have a new worry with the CEA rise.
Keep up the good work--it's helping in untold ways.

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I am not going completely vegetarian, but I never have eaten much meat. A good burger now & then about all I eat. They say if it had a mother dont eat it. There is a group of people who live this life style they are what is called a blue group. They Live to be close to 100, fruits, vegtable, nuts, beans etc. Pretty rigid.

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I tried twice. But failed to be a vegetarians. It is really difficult for me...

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I'll be interested to read more about how this goes!

*hugs*
Gail

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Hi, Pete... See if you can get a hold of the documentary "Forks Over Knives." My doctor recomended I watch it and I was an instant Vegan. Its not easy in the beginning but once you figure out what you can and cannot eat, it becomes much easier. I feel good, I feel "lighter" if that makes sense and I do not miss any of my old favorite foods.
Its not easy but it is worth it. A lot of people confuse being a vegetarian with being vegan. Vegan is much more strict - no animal products at all.

Good luck, my Vegan friend!

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I am trying to be mostly vegan. Organic eggs once a week and organic meat once every 6 to 8 weeks. Other than that strict vegan diet. I have been feeling weak and dizzy lately. I am going to start taking B-12. Hopefully that will help. Dont know if the diet or the chemo is causing it. Maybe both.

Jeff

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Vicki, your doctor recommended watching this documentary?? Which doctor, I'm curious, your onc., regular physician, or naturopath??

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My surgeon. He didn't say I had to do it just suggested I watch it. Have you seen it?

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No Vicki I haven't see it, but I do find it interesting your doctor brought it up to you.

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Just got 24 hour urine and bloods back.
All good , liver enzymes ast, get, alg improved, zinc crashed, vit d crashed.
Cancer screws with our digestion enzymes, basically we need tests and advice about results.

So back to 5000 UI vit d, to get levels at 150.
Zinc trying liquids not picolinate form. I suspect my heavy metals are blocking zinc absorption or some lingering gut issues around stomach acid or digestive enzymes.

Have spent my time praying fr peace of mind and meditation than researching, heaps u want to learn, but not enough hours to prepare foods, juices, smoothies, teas and care for kids. The house well, bomb site is what I think.

Jeff, I say get tested, it's hard to do the vegan thing well, given cancer maybe ffffcking our metabolism.
My strategy is to back of tests until the are all perfect, so it's monthly for me until further notice.

I am more interested in my vitd and zinc and crp and urea than cea.
But that's me.

Hugs,
Pete

Ps not been on here as much as I want, but survival First and friends second. I do remember you all in my prayers and they are vilumous.

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Loved your initial post on this thread and am learning to be able to make sense of your writings- as a Kiwi I always found Australians a little hard to understand! Good news about your tests and general well being.

I am interested in how you involve your family in much of what you do and clearly they are very supportive and engaged with the lifestyle you live. I have two young children (4 and 7) and struggle to know how much to tell them and involve them in aspects of my illness and its management. In truth I try to keep them away from it as much as possible- especially any aspects that are uncertain eg prognosis. I would be interested to hear more of how you manage this part of your life and I think having this illness whilst in this stage of life with young children is a particular challenge.

Steve

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4 and 7, what great ages, I say love them intensely as much as I fight to survive.
My boy 6 plays with my enema kit, it's fair as I use his potty. He is 6 going on 21.

They no about all aspects of cancer, life death, treatments, they are off all milk, wheat and sugar. We all are.

The kids and wife love me more passionately as my presince is not guaranteed.

Wife and I going on 5 day vegan cancer retreat in Victoria mountains, kids getting 6 Days off School and we aredoing 3000 km round trip adventure. Kids staying with cousins in Melbourne, while wife and I get couple time.

Got to have lots of fun on journey, might as well get some positives out of cancer.
The families health and fitness is much better since diagnosis.

The vegan thing may help me beat this.it cannot hurt.

No guarantees.

Hugs,
Pete

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It's essential methylation , managing homocystwine.
Need it daily.
Hugs
Peye

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Thanks Pete. I just started taking it on Monday.

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I watched Forks Over Knives and was impressed by the information presented. However, when I tried to go vegetarian the first week I ate kale for the first time and had a severe allergic reaction -- painful welts all over my body. Had no idea I would be allergic to it. So that was discouraging.

Kim

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So i got the results of stools samples analysis, full bloods and 24 urines.

Many pieces of the vegan/cancer puzzle are falling into place and just at this point the picture i see is not as good as i would have hoped.

It seems going away camping/going on the misty mountains retreat cost me a few kilograms of muscle. Despite the healthy foods and exercise. if you don't have the digestive enzymes you don't get protein broken into amino acids and then into your blood supply

i was doing a similar juice and protein powder in a shake.
i slackened off as i hoped the vegan diet would compensate, trying to get the protein from whole foods.

it turns out my muscle levels have halved in the last 4 months despite weight training.
thats measured by creatinin levels.

given that i have been eating enough protein, the question is why i have not been absorbing it ? and why therefore my body had to go chasing it down from the next most accessible form muscle.

well i got an interesting test result from 6 weeks ago yesterday that said lipase the digestive enzyme responsible from protein absorption in my stools is low, is dangersously low. the test was from doctors data, called parasitology x 3 and a few others.

i now qualify for creon which is an enterically coated digestive enzyme with lipase in it. i guess i am flagging this as something to check.

just thought i would mention it, as i was taking the protein powder but not taking the enzyme with it. if its not an issue for you then don't worry, but if it is, then ask your doctor about digestive enzyme support.

lipase being difficient in cancer and pancreatic distress is associated.
hence the corresponding muscle wasting. we can fight this with good diet and enzymes.

also keep in mind that a good supply of protein is essential for good detox from heavy metals, drugs like chemo, other toxins being ingested or stored. its used in stage 2 or 3 of the liver detox process.

i am erring on the side of excess enzymes as no side effects by going over, but significant issues going under with digestive enzymes and then running into the old muscle catabolism cycle.

i hope this makes some sense. it does to me, alas. the benefit of having all these tests, and lots of doctors to discuss them with means i get answers and explanations with real insight based on previous experience. I ordered most of these tests myself, of which i am proud as they backup my intuition about aspects of my digestion and metabolism that even my doctors miss. now they have the test results it makes lots of sense.

finally my blood marker crp went from 0.7 to 6 very low the very high over the 6 weeks. I stopped taking many of my supplements inlcuding fish oils while camping. just wondering if the reduced supplements caused this and not the vegan diet. also my zinc, calcium and potassium crashed.

so i would have liked to share the vegan experience, its not easy getting great biological markers, it takes alot of work and effort and testing and retesting.

for me its a work inprogress that i am committed too and working towards perfect results over the next few months. On the positive side my liver markers all improved considerable. i also expect my homocyteine levels to have dropped as is common with vegans which is good for your health, but was not tested this time.

if you followed this and the china studies advice about low protein and avoiding animal protein, you may notice that my burning muscle we assumed was due to inadequate digestive enzyme. so the issue is that for the last 5 weeks of the vegan experiment, in adervtently i have been on a very low protein diet, my cancer marker cea still went up 3 points. not sure what this really means, just that this type of low protein is supposed to be associated with decrease in cancer markers. that what i was praying for anyway.

this has been shared so that anyone doing vegan diet can get blood markers checked by a supportive vegan gp if possible, mine are being done monthly.

hugs,
pete

ps so the biological targets this month are to continue vitamin c, to keep the vegan diet going targetting 110grams protein daily over all meals and shakes with digestive enzyme support. also i have some results about probiotics and my candida that i am focused on.

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Creon is a pancrelipase, special pancreatic enzyme formulas with extra lipase that are only available by prescription in the US and that the pharmas greatly overcharge for. Lipase splits fat and oil molecules, proteases break protiens down into peptides and amino acids. Pancreatins are not vegan products, either.

The inexpensive supplements in the US are pancreatin, with less lipase. Lipase, in great excess, can cause real problems. So getting it right is a consideration. Some protein sources, like milk whey, are easier to digest than others.

Although I think more vegatables are important, I'm a little shy about vegans replacing things like chicken liver and perhaps other organ sources. Liver packs in active vitamins and important near vitamins, like vitamin K2, methyl-B12, coQ10, lipoic acid, and D3, as well as a careful budget for vitamin A. Since sugar is an issue, I look for some fruit extracts to reduce fruit intake and fruit sugars, as well as some fruit displacement with vegetables.

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Always great suggestions, my creon is free here on our PBS scheme if you got cancer and low enzymes. I qualify. This six, but I am grateful to have test results that give me a project to focus on. Point taken about livers. I am vegan is, but not strict, it's medically based and I know creon cones from pigs.

Got one more day on this relaxing vegan meditation and healing retreat.

Believe it or not I feel I am the most obsessive and in some ways focussed cancer patient on the retreat.
Still being a pain in the *** to the organisers. Even these vegan experts don't push b12 or other foods that make it easy to be a super healthy cancer fighting vegan

Hugs,
Pete

Ps been chasing kangaroo's through the Bush when noone was looking. Lots of fun and a great workout.
None of these committed cancer fighters are jogging with me, or sprinting up mountain sides to the point of exhaustion.
They don't get the exercise message here, I just do my thing, I am leaving it up to the gawler facilitators to deliver the exercise message. Something they have failed to achieve this course, alas. Something my intuition says will cost lives, that my guts feeling. No tears though, just beads of sweat. Just one life to save. The meditation and all the lectures have been exceptional.

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Maybe add some turmeric/pepper to what you're taking. D
Excellent anti-inflammatory.

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Will try the pepper.
Hugs,
Pete

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I take bioperine with tumeric. It is the part of black pepper that helps the body absorb tumeric.

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