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muckdown
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If Iam not mistaken one of the female techs did say take everything off put on clinic supplied pants(draw string) oh leave on your T shirt and socks I I was instructed how to lay on the table under the IMRT thing (I.ll get the name down) and put your legs in the mold.One of the girls getting you ready says pull yor pants down under your bottom(What???) anyway there is a descrete towel held in place while your doing this. The purpose here I think is to expose the dots that are on you to line up the imrt machine (sorry) I will get the terms right) You absolutly feel like it doesn,t really matter about hiking your pants down infront of these female techs (descrete towel in place) because it doesn,t mean a hill of beans to them.There just trying to get your dots lined up for the treatment.
After the 5th or 7th time in your modesty goes away and the pants come down without being told. It s pure bussiness .Iam still shy about it.Anyway the female tech comes back after your finished getting zapped and you pull up your pants and your outs there. Very fast

Kentr
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Muck Your post did make me laugh (not AT you but WITH you).

When I had my brachytherapy and woke up the nurse (young and VERY attractive) asked me if I had to urinate. I said, in a foggy state, there's no urine in my system given I haven't had anything to drink for about 24 hours. She said, "Well, I'll have to insert a catheter." I said, "Do what you have to do." 30 years ago I would have felt uncomfortable but at this stage who cares? :)

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califvader
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i just finished IMRT in June. 36 treatments, 36 times pulling down the pants. for me the first couple of times were a little embarrassing, but when you think about it those techs see around 30 to 35 patients everyday. they are so used to it they could care less. sometimes i had male techs but most of the time they were female tech's. young ones to i might add. didn't bother me. hang in there buddy. make sure you use the aquaphor. i really does help. it will be over before you know it. filling the bladder up everyday bothered me the most.

Mark E
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I can't believe you guys aren't willing to stand up for male dignity in medicine. Women have the guts to demand same gender care and are given much greater respect.  A man should have the same rights as a woman when it comes to modesty and respect. Since men typically don't have the guts to speak up they will continue to be disrespected and abused. 

Mark

hopeful and opt...
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Use a blindfold to cover your eyes during the procedure.

Trew
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Now that is good.

After surgery, hormone therapy and radiation I seem to be about half the man I used to be. that part is embrassing, too. sort of like an Everly Brothers song, "Hello PC, Good-by...." well, doesn't quite fit. but the idea is there.

hopeful and opt...
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All of us...every single one of us has some sort of disability.....none of us are perfect....it's attitude....look at the donut, not the hole

With the way things are going on this thread, not only should we be blindfolded, but we also need to turn the lights off.

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Disrespected and abused? Abused? Are you serious? Sounds like a bit too much drama here.

My primary concern when treating my cancer was to have the absolute best medical team available. The gender of the specialist (or staff) was never a priority nor should it be in my opinion. During my prostate cancer journey I have been examined by both male and female doctors and never have I been abused or shown disrespect. In fact, I can't recall any of those conditions whenever I have visited a doctor on any occasion PCa notwithstanding. And one thing I learned was that female doctors have smaller fingers which could be important to some during their DRE.

These attitudes are from the dark ages or, sadly, areas of the world today where an uneducated populace, religious, or cultural taboos stymie the delivery of quality medical care. Of all the things to worry about with this disease, this shouldn't even be in the discussion.

I agree with with Hopeful & Optimistic; if you are worried about it, wear a blindfold.

K

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Kongo: Sounds like a 1st post troll to me and it would be best to just ignore him if he posts again.

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Kongo
Your avatar just convinced me that the Martini you drink is as good as my red wine. LOL
I love it and it fits.
VG

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Kongo
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Vasco,

Thanks. I have this little stuffed monkey that travels with me and lives in my roll-aboard suitcase. His name is Kongo. I used to put Kongo in different places and take pictures of him and send them to my granddaughtes and it evolved to where Kongo now has his own blog and twitter account! (Google: Kongo travel monkey and you can find him) Anyway, that's the background behind the moniker.

I've always wondered about your VascodaGama nickname. I get the Portugal part (my wife's family is from the Azores) but you are such a kind, gentle, and helpful person it always makes me wonder since the real Vasco da Gama was one of the most ruthless and brutal of all the early explorers, destroying native cultures and slaughtering the locals while acquiring great wealth for himself and Portugal. You seem the exact opposite.

Raising my glass back at you.

K

Mark E
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Hey Guys,

I made my first post from a phone and it came off terse. I didn't mean to upset anyone.

Kongo – This thread is about IMRT not about doctors. When you are at this stage, everyone has selected the doctor they feel is the best for them. For IMRT therapy you most likely have a technician not a doctor and treatment was hopefully mapped out by your doctor.

So, since I want care not only for my medical procedure but also my dignity and emotional state, I selected my doctor based on that. Yes my doctor is a man. I also don't want to be surrounded by a sea of female nurses/technicians that don't respect my dignity either. I have to work with my doctor to have my dignity requests met but they were. I got world class care and was treated in a way I wanted.

Not everyone desires modesty in their treatment but many do. I didn't initially realize that I did until I had some unprofessional treatment that left me humiliated, embarrassed and violated in my discomfort with the procedure. It didn't have to be that way. So I request same gender care. If I have been in a car crash, yes survival comes first. For my level of cancer I am not in a such a rush that I don't take time to understand fully what will be done, how I will be covered and who will be there. If I don't like it, I tell them. If they can't or won't fix it, I go somewhere else. One poster said he had both male and female technicians, so it would have been easy to accommodate his desire for a male technician if he had wanted.

My point is, men don't ask for respectful treatment and so don't get it. Men should ask for what they want and they will get it. It has worked for women and it will work for men.

Mark

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Mark,

I hear and understand your point. I just don't agree with it. I also had radiation treatment (CyberKnife) and although my procedure did not require anything other than slipping on a pair of hospital trousers, during the many consultations I went through I met with many male and female physicians and male and female staff. A female held my hand during the biopsy and the last time I had a colonoscopy there were three females present.

I've never been in a situation where I was humiliated or treated with any disrespect. If that ever happened I wouldn't tolerate it and would be seeing patient advocates, hospital administrators, doctors, and whomever else in the chain of command that was responsible for the people involved. Most institutions have clearly posted and serious "patient rights" statements and many state laws require it. If a single incident occurred then I think you deal with the people involved and move on without painting too broad a brush across the entire female gender.

The women (both doctors, nurses, and staff) that I have had the pleasure to deal with during my journey have been the epitome of professionalism, decorum, and respect. I am sorry that you have had negative experiences.

I believe that a successful outcome requires that the patient and his medical team form a partnership with a common goal. When you indicate that you you dictate who can be present, how you will be covered, and so forth that you are setting the stage for an adversarial relationship instead of a partnership.

Of course, that's just my opinion. You're certainly entitled to yours. But I just feel that keeping a healthy sense of humor is important in life and general and with prostate cancer in particular. I believe that the medical staff I am dealing with is highly vested in the successful treatment of my cancer, not childishly hung up on body parts.

Sorry if I came on strong. I do welcome you to the forum and hope that you will share your story with us in how you discovered your cancer, how the diagnosis shaped your treatment decisions, and your progress in survivorship.

Best,

K

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....so as I understand, when qualified medical personnel(especially if they if they have a different expertise than a doctor, for example; nurses and various techs) provide treatment and care, your dignity is insulted if the person is of a different sex. I wonder if there are also other restrictions that you place on personnel such as race, religion, sexual orientation, age, etc...this occurs and has occured in some societies.

.....that you are willing to make an exception if you are really sick, and "have no control, or would you complain afterward about not being respected.

Frankly Mark, we live in an enlightened society where we look for the best qualified regardless of demographic qualities.

Beau2
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Hey Mark,

Welcome aboard, sorry about your need to be at a PCa forum.

When I had my last PSA check, I also had a DRE. Because I was early for the appointment, I was given the choice of seeing the doctor, who would be in later, or seeing the PA immediately. I chose the PA.

I had never seen the PA (a female) before. She was very professional and said that she had done many DREs and would do my DRE if I wanted; however, she also said she would understand if I wanted her to bring in a male to do the DRE. I thought this was very considerate ... and made me think the clinic put my interests first. I liked it.

Having said this, I guess I am also a Troll living in the past, because I expect a service provider to give me what I want. It makes business sense to offer what your customer wants ... in your case dignity. Certainly with the amount of PCa advertiseing I see the doctors want your money ... and they are very willing to ask for it. I can see no reason not to ask for dignity if that is what you want. If I don't like the service I'm getting I let them know (which apparently you did) and if they don't respond, I move on.

Thanks for starting a very interesting thread ..... best wishes as you move forward.

caseyh
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Leaving our dignity at the door should not be a requirement or expectation of the institution treating our disease. It need not be that way, and in many treatment centers, it is not that way. I have completed two rounds of IMRT (39 TX ea.) and both times I was treated respectfully. There are certain procedures where it was difficult, if not impossible, to avoid some patient discomfort regardless of who administers the procedure. Patients often joke about these procedures in small groups while waiting for their daily treatments. Nobody is comfortable in these situations. This isn't about being enlightened or prejudicial, and its not about not being aware that treating the disease is our first priority. It is about treating each other respectfully, and that should be our expectation. Radiation centers that set high standards for their staff do a pretty good job at this, so it can be done.

hunter49
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Right on Kongo. A little too much wining about nothing. I would not care if the doctor who treated me was a Martian as long as it/he/she gave me the best possible care.

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Kongo

Thanks for the beautiful words.

I was surprised in knowing that apart of Yokosuka, we may have stepped on each other’s foot prints along our journeys. I have a similar “World Red-Flags Map”.
Some of the flags match and some relate to locations I’ve been that are in your list of priorities, and vice versa.
Three of those are from the impressive places I greatly admired in my globe-trotting “life”: The Silk Road’s Xian/Bishkek/Samarkand/Bukhara; Incas’ Nazca (Lines)/Cuzco/Machu-Picchu; and Mon Khmers’ Angkor Wat.

My nickname comes from my globe-trotting past and the willingness in helping other comrades of our PCa boat, when “navigating” along their journeys. I try to guide as an explorer when they grasp the wooden wheel.

My long stay in Asia took me to realize that balancing things are needed. The “Yin and Yang principle” (a central axis concept) and the “Qi”, the underlying principle in traditional Chinese medicine, are behind the choice in my avatar. The guitar represents the “Fado”, a compassionate Portuguese form of music and popular song, signifying destiny (now listed as an UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage). Azores people love it for sure.
The tunes and lyrics in Fado match well and imply mercifulness, balancing the act of a “ruthless explorer”. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l43763QTdEE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jApnqH-TWE&feature=related
http://paginas.fe.up.pt/~fado/eng/index-eng.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcurfK5yntA&feature=related

Wishing you health and continuous eventless outcomes.
I celebrate raising my glass with a good Portuguese red.

VG

007Keiko
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thank u so much for the sermon.

If modesty shouldn't be part of the discussion then why are females afforded more than males. That in itself would prompt some type of conversation. 

I'm 57, weight lifter, artist and modest guy just beginning a journey of male problems, both front and back and have read lots of post, seen pics and experienced enough so far to feel real shock, embarrassment, anguish and humiliation. I've read that after 30+ times, "you get used to it." So can I assume the first 29 times were anguishing, embarrassing and humiliating until whatever modesty you may have had is eventually killed or stolen from you, and now, "you just don't care." GREAT! I can hardly wait to lose this valuable part of my soul.

i believe the medical industry, administrators, schools, doctors AND nurses are completely indifferent and tone deaf to the needs of their male clients (paying customers)when it comes to intimate care or perhaps they fully know and fully realize ... How do you explain to a man at his most frighten and vulnerable (in every way) moment that, oh yeah, and you'll have to be ***-up, junk out, exposed to innumerable numbers of women, aides, observers and who knows who else, time and time again? Who on earth thinks this is a good idea!? It's a very bad idea and the only reason to perpetrate a bad idea is to fulfill a bad agenda.

 

Mark E
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Once again, this thread is about about the sea of people men are exposed to at the hospital but not about the doctor they have selected. This is the technicians, nurses, cna, etc. that you typically have no choice in. It is about the modesty most men have and how the medical system does not consider it. It is about the choice of the gender of those who support our doctors during intimate procedures but it is also about the concern about our dignity. Are your genitals left exposed even though they are not involved in the procedure, it's not hard to cover a man. Is there an unnecessary group of people watching the procedure? Have you been introduced to all of these people and told why they are there?

Kongo – You got to wear trousers? If I understand, the worst humiliation you had was a colonoscopy, a biopsy and several digital rectal exams?

Kongo - I did write to and had a meeting with the hospital CEO, chief executive nurse, head of radiation oncology, patient advocate and a radiation oncology doctor. During my discussion I was told that when a woman is treated, her modesty is at the front of their minds. When a man is treated, his modesty is at the back of their minds if they consider it at all. Both get the same level of treatment but considerations are different. I am not sure why this is but I know it doesn't change because men do not speak up. If no one is complaining then full speed ahead.

Kongo – You wrote, paraphrased, that there needs to be a partnership between the patient and the medical team and my demanding of what is important to me hurts the success of the team. If you have a partnership, each partner has a say. If you won't speak up for what matters to you then its not a partnership. If you won't speak up, how can there be success but what the doctor deems is success.

Beau2 – You are not a Troll because you expect to have your provider care for you needs, both physical and mental. I think you would be a Troll if you didn't care or tried to make others believe their feelings were wrong.

I have an 18yr old daughter that was recently in a serious car crash and was in the hospital for 5 days. During the initial days she was not able to leave her bed. There were 20-35 year old male nurses on the floor and luckily no body thought her best possible care would include personal care from these men. Do you guys think we risked her level of care by not including them in her personal care? I hope not! Well the same thing is true for men. I am not risking my life by wanting respect for my modesty.

I am surprised the regulars on this forum are trying to deny my thoughts of male dignity in medicine by name calling, implications of bigotry and accusations of being uneducated. I am done with my treatment but my heart goes out to men when I know what they are in for. In addition many men, estimated to be as high as 50%, don't seek treatment. It is speculated that many of them are avoiding the humiliation of men in a female controlled system. Is this good? No of course not. The life span difference between men and women is increasing and lack of heath care is a big part of that.

It will change if men will just demand it. Does your wife go to a male mamographer? Most likely not because most women demand same gender care. Those men who care need to speak up for those who come after us!

Mark

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Mark
I believe that male dignity is kept by each one when confronted with a similar situation as that of Muckdown.
You can request to be attended as you like and such “dignity” would only be confronted if the request wasn’t attended. As many in this forum I have pulled down the pants many times. My dignity was never confronted and I never felt it to be infringed.

I recall the morning of the day after surgery when a young female nurse come to my room and bathed me all over including my penis and testis in front of my wife. She did it naturally unnoticed (probably bathing many patients before me and thereafter) but it was acceptable to me even if the action seem awkward to me.
I believe that those professionals treat your nudity simply as “another corpus” but they care if you feel pain or if their way of doing things is bothering you. They try to get to the purpose of what is needed not of what they can see.
Surely not all of them give the same “value” to “male dignity” but infringement may be assumed rare.

Look into my comment to Muckdown in this link; http://csn.cancer.org/node/226238#comment-1122245

I am infringing his male dignity and I am not a nurse caring for him.

You can follow the links in this article which deals the case from the nurses side point of view.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21207825

The Best.
VGama

Mark E
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VGama - I am glad that you didn't have to check your dignity at the door. Unfortunately you don't speak for all men. I know I find it up setting and, if your willing to listen, you will hear many other men expressing the same feeling of disregard.

You talk about how the nurse feels. For me it's not about her, it about how I feel.

If you want a different point of view on nurses, read the allnurses.com blog where over 500,000 nurses blog. Many have professional comments. Others talk about such things as "Nine things nurses don’t want you to know." The number one item is, "Yeah, we look..." The site seems to have tighten log-on requirements so you can look at http://patientprivacyreview.blogspot.com/2011/12/nursing-violations-of-patient-privacy.html

I don't see why people are arguing against men who have dignity concerns wanting choices? Why shouldn't we be allowed to have the same options women are given? Someone answer that instead of telling me my feelings are wrong.

Mark

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I have a long history of dropping troussers and have never felt uncomfortable. My experiences with IMRT were very professional from the female techs.

I routinely dropped my pants to the ankle before lying down on the table. The cover was sufficient for the techs to do their job and for my modesty. Getting up from the table involved waiting for them to lower it for me to get up, then having to bend over to retrieve my pants. If anyone was looking, I didn't notice or care.

One day the table's automatic adjustment was faulty. After several attempts to fix it, I found myself lying there with about 6 additional people in the room. One of the techs placed a sheet over me immediately. I was able to slide off the table while they repaired it.

Half way through my treatments, I had my first male tech. He suggested that I only drop my pants to the thighs. This gave me the opportunity to pull my pants back up while still lying down, before the techs returned to the room to lower me.

I appreciated the advice, which was a timesaver. It also would help anyone who is more modest than I.

Why the male tech gave me the suggestion and not the females? One could argue that the male was more considerate for my modesty. Or he didn't like the view. (lol)

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It's not that many of us are telling you that you are wrong (wrong-headed maybe) its that we see this as a trivial diversion from why we are here which is to learn about prostate cancer and support fellow sufferers.

Dignity is something only you can give away. Nobody can take it from you unless you are a willing accomplice. Others may show you respect or not but you have absolute control over your own dignity.

Are you really concerned about losing your dignity because of a blog where some nurses might say yeah, they look at you? Good grief. This goes back to the whole education and maturity thing. You missed something along the way.

What if your male doctor or nurse was gay? Do you worry about them "checking you out?". Are you going to start sexuality checks in addition to interrogating your medical team about how they are going to cover you up? It doesn't sound as if you ever served in the military. You lose your false or misplaced modesty very quickly, but you never lose your dignity.

Mark E
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Kongo – No I didn’t serve in the military. I am way too young for Vietnam and way too old for the current conflicts. ;-)

Thank-you and thanks to the other men on this forum who have served and sacrificed for our great country!

Mark

SPT
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allnurses.com deleted that thread, too close to the unspeakable truth.

Here's the first of the nine things, verbatim:

1) Yeah, we look......and no, we're not above whispering to our co-workers, "Psst! Did you get a peek at the guy with the foot-long whatsis in 216?" There, I said it. We DO check out patients with unusual physical characteristics, mainly because we've seen so many naked bodies that one derriere looks like every other after a while. But not to worry: HIPAA is alive and well, and the secret of your "nonconformity" is safe with us.....at least till we get to the break room.

SPT
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Addressed to a hypothetical patient, here are a few things we see and talk about among ourselves that would appall the general public if such knowledge became widespread. On the other hand, it just might give them a reason to treat us with a little more respect the next time they find themselves on the receiving end of nursing care........

First, a disclaimer: If you're a patient who really doesn't have any curiosity about nurses, it's best to stop reading right here. You probably won't like what you see......or get why it was necessary to write this piece in the first place.

If, however, you wonder about what makes us tick---and you wouldn't be here on a site called Allnurses if you didn't---here is a brief list of some of our darkest secrets.....things we don't want you to know lest it dispel the popular image of us as angels in white who live to fluff pillows and bend straws.

 

1) Yeah, we look......and no, we're not above whispering to our co-workers, "Psst! Did you get a peek at the guy with the foot-long whatsis in 216?" There, I said it. We DO check out patients with unusual physical characteristics, mainly because we've seen so many naked bodies that one derriere looks like every other after a while. But not to worry: HIPAA is alive and well, and the secret of your "nonconformity" is safe with us.....at least till we get to the break room.

2) A lot of us would really rather do something else, but nursing pays the bills. I'll be the first to admit I was one of those idealists who believed nursing was a calling for the first 10 years I was doing it; now I know better. And while I do like my current job, I like being able to eat and make the house and car payments in the same month even better......and if I could do it while working at something less stressful and demanding I'd be outtahere in a New York minute.

3) We are here, in no small part, to keep doctors from killing you. I'm only half-kidding. Doctors may have more formal education than we do, but some of them get too big for their britches, and there are too many of 'em who haven't the faintest clue that the patient is a person and not a diagnosis. They act like little tin gods, and seem to believe we lowly nurses should bow and scrape and obey their commands to the nth degree. To which the average nurse says: PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTH.

4) Patients we despise, in no particular order:a) abusers of all stripes; b) drug-seekers; c) middle-aged females with intractible nausea/vomiting/abdominal pain for which no cause is EVER found; d) anyone with a hovercraft family that criticizes everything and is prone to "fire" nurses. Just try pulling that stunt at the airport and see how much "service" you get.....!

5) Sometimes, even we crusty veterans have to go cry in the bathroom. We may look professional, we may remain rather unemotional and say all the stuff we're supposed to say when the code goes south.......but on the inside, we're almost as torn up as you are, and on top of that we're angry because we couldn't save your loved one.

6) Speaking of anger, sometimes you REALLY twerk us off. And we are not going to like taking care of you if you don't want to help yourself, if you're verbally or physically abusive, if you demand more than your share of our attention and act as if it's your birthright to treat us like slaves. We are not little emotionless robots; we are human beings just like you, with feelings as sensitive as your own. Deal with it.

7) The vast majority of us are not interested in dating outside our species. 'Nuff said.

8) The candy and flowers are nice...but I personally would rather have a nice thank-you letter, preferably sent to my boss so it can be placed in my personnel file (next to the write-up I once got for calling in sick when I caught the Norwalk virus and puked up my toenails for two days).

9) No, we are most certainly NOT angels or "naughty nurses". Please get those stupid stereotypes out of your head right now, and understand that we are professionals deserving of respect. Sure, we make mistakes; we occasionally forget that we are glorified waitresses and fail to bring your Coke right away; we may not answer your call light within 30 seconds; sometimes, we even give you the wrong medication (and pray to God you're okay so that we don't wind up going before the state board of nursing to defend our license).

Truth is, every single one of us worked hard to get where we are, and I can tell you straight up that nursing is one of the most difficult jobs there is. It's gritty, it's dirty, and at times it's positively frightening.......definitely not a job for sissies. We see people at their best, but more often at their worst; we see life begin, and we see it end---sometimes tragically. Yet through it all, we nurse because it's more than what we do, it's literally who we are. No matter how much some of us may wish that weren't the truth.......and that's something this nurse REALLY didn't want you to know.

SPT
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LIke quality of life and informed consent, dignity and respect are just words to far too many doctors and medical staff.

When a person is being treated for a terminal illness making some effort to preserve their modesty and dignity is a small thing to ask of paid staff, and a potentially very large benefit to some patients.  Cancer rips away sex, mind, mood.  It destroys marriage, strains finances, and causes depression.  Why is it necessary to further humilate this man who has already lost so much of his life?  How can you expect him to trust that his team actually cares for him when they refuse to offer him the respect they would automatically grant to a homeless person?

You may not care if young women handle or see your man bits, but some men do.  Women are never put into that situation.  Why is that?  Are the feelings of female cancer patients more valuable, more relevant to their treatment and well being than those of male patients?

Mark E makes another good point: nothing will change if no one speaks up.  This may not be your fight, but show some respect for the people who care about it.

FinishingGrace
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"Women are never put into that situation."

I agree with everything you have said here except for the above quote. Women are put into that situation every single day. Male nurses, male doctors, male surgeons, male imaging techs, not to mention OB/GYNs that are all up in our business more times than I care to remember.

This is not a male versus female problem as both genders have long had to suffer indignities in a medical setting. This is, like you said, about preserving the modesty and dignity of those suffering from any given condition.

SPT
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I'll concede that when I wrote "Women are never put into that situation"  I may have overstated the case.  Never is too strong a word.

But Mark E's point is a good one, and matches my experience.  Women are much more likely to be offered the choice of same gender care, and many women seem much more willing than men to demand it.

I've never understood why any male OB/GYN has any patients at all, but everyone gets to choose.  My wife will only see a female OB/GYN and I understand and support her choice.  I would still support her if it were the opposite, but that would surprise me.

You're quite right that this is really about preserving the modesty and dignity of people who are already suffering.  In many cases the additional effort is small to trivial.  There really is no excuse for the blatant disrespect shown to patients throughout our medical system.

Clevelandguy
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I know of a guy that on his last radiation treament for testicular cancer taped a bag of un- popped pop corn on his groin.  The radiologist got a big kick out of it.  You guys are right most people like nurses, doctors, ect has seen it all so it no big deal.  It's usually the patient that has the modesty problems.  Kinda of hard to pull down the pants and show your junk to someone you don't know, at least it is for me.

 

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Trew
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I was just back into the OR a week ago to get returning scar tissue removed from the urethra up close to where the AMS is.

 

Before the AMS I was scoped every 2 months for a year to see if the scar tissue (removed by surgery by a good female doctor) was returning.  Once that year was up, AMS installed, no more problems for 6 years.  Now, scar tissue is back. doc scoped the urethra to confirm the cause of a smaller urine stream and back to surgery I went.  No scapal this time- doc said it was too close to wehre the AMS  was and he just deactivated the AMS and used the old file method.  

 

I remember thinking, "hey, I got past this modesty thing before, I can do it again."  I did.

 

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bassoneman
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Those dots can be hard to see sometimes I guess..  I was on about my 20th treatmnet out of 40 and this new nurse came in to do the line up..  The problem was she was I guess really far sighted..  When you feel breath.. it is too close...  I said to her hey thats close..  she laughed.. she said.. just trying to line up the dots...  loved the humor... the nurses I had were fun but I don't take things too seriosly either.. I had another experince just before doing radiation a bout 3 or four months before I was having a colonoscopy and the female nurse is near my butt as I am lying on the table..  She starts talking to me..  Now My butt is in the open and I am lying on my side..  As she is talking she puts her hand on my butt cheek as we are conversing like putting your hand on a chair or something..  I don't think she realied she did it..  She kept it there while she was talikg to me..  Then i went down for the count..

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