Just to compare figures and pricing!

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pepebcn
pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
I know is difficult to evaluate but, which would be the price for a liver resection in a first rated hospital in the US? l mean from the first day in the hospital ,to the last one inc everything, Docs, surgeon ,operating room ,meds, and let's say 2 days in intensive care and 7 days in the hospital?.
Just to compare with prived hospitals here!.
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  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
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    not necesary Kerry but
    Any body got an idea about? really iterested on it!
    Hugs!
  • Lovekitties
    Lovekitties Member Posts: 3,364 Member
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    pepebcn said:

    not necesary Kerry but
    Any body got an idea about? really iterested on it!
    Hugs!

    It all depends
    A lot depends on what hospital and what doctor as to how expensive it is.

    While I had different type of surgery and different hospital stay than you want info about, my surgeons (2), anesthesiologist, hospital, labs, lab readings, etc. cost about $90,000, and I am in what I consider a medium cost area.

    Given what you are looking for, I would expect you to be looking at the 'high rent' district in surgeons and hospital, so I would expect it would be considerably more.

    Marie who loves kitties
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
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    Lovekitties said:

    It all depends
    A lot depends on what hospital and what doctor as to how expensive it is.

    While I had different type of surgery and different hospital stay than you want info about, my surgeons (2), anesthesiologist, hospital, labs, lab readings, etc. cost about $90,000, and I am in what I consider a medium cost area.

    Given what you are looking for, I would expect you to be looking at the 'high rent' district in surgeons and hospital, so I would expect it would be considerably more.

    Marie who loves kitties

    Thks Marie,
    Very kind of you! by the way which part of the states are you?
    Hugs,regards to the cat!
  • mukamom
    mukamom Member Posts: 402
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    liver resection $$$$$$$
    $800,000 for liver resection, 4 days intensive care, 1 day regular room...hospital accepted about 120,000 from insurance and the rest was written off(minus our portion). Pretty ridiculous, charging that much to start with. A person with no ins would get billed the full amount and probally could negotiate a lower cost, but I bet it wouldn't be 120,000.
    We live in Talladega, AL, outside Birmingham and this was Princeton Baptist Hospital.
  • Lovekitties
    Lovekitties Member Posts: 3,364 Member
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    pepebcn said:

    Thks Marie,
    Very kind of you! by the way which part of the states are you?
    Hugs,regards to the cat!

    You are welcome
    I live in Virginia.

    By the way, two kitties...Smokey and Sweety.

    Hugs,

    Marie who loves kitties
  • pepebcn
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    mukamom said:

    liver resection $$$$$$$
    $800,000 for liver resection, 4 days intensive care, 1 day regular room...hospital accepted about 120,000 from insurance and the rest was written off(minus our portion). Pretty ridiculous, charging that much to start with. A person with no ins would get billed the full amount and probally could negotiate a lower cost, but I bet it wouldn't be 120,000.
    We live in Talladega, AL, outside Birmingham and this was Princeton Baptist Hospital.

    That difference is possible?
    Hugs!
  • mukamom
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    pepebcn said:

    That difference is possible?
    Hugs!

    yep
    Insurance only pays x amount of dollars for a particular service. When a hospital or doc is a provider for that ins, they agree to accept that x amount as payment in full. The patient may owe a portion depending on his or her particular policy. The doc or hospital then writes off the rest. Pretty crazy to charge so high when they are just going to write off most of it huh?? That's about how it works...simplified.

    Angela
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
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    mukamom said:

    yep
    Insurance only pays x amount of dollars for a particular service. When a hospital or doc is a provider for that ins, they agree to accept that x amount as payment in full. The patient may owe a portion depending on his or her particular policy. The doc or hospital then writes off the rest. Pretty crazy to charge so high when they are just going to write off most of it huh?? That's about how it works...simplified.

    Angela

    Ok but what about if you don't get insurance and you are
    determined to pay it by your self? 800.000 sounds nonsense !
  • pepebcn
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    Lovekitties said:

    You are welcome
    I live in Virginia.

    By the way, two kitties...Smokey and Sweety.

    Hugs,

    Marie who loves kitties

    So .....
    greetings to both of them, I like them!
    Have fun!
  • mukamom
    mukamom Member Posts: 402
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    pepebcn said:

    Ok but what about if you don't get insurance and you are
    determined to pay it by your self? 800.000 sounds nonsense !

    yes it is nonsense
    Most of the time you can negotiate for a lower amount and there are patient advocates who can help find funding, aid, prescription help...but it is a lot of legwork and hoop jumping. Some people pay on a huge medical bill every month with no hope of ever paying it all...some people's medical bills are so huge they file for bankruptcy. Some people decide not to get treatment for whatever is wrong, because they just can not afford it. Its a total mess, if you ask me. I think hospital services are way overpriced(not so much dr, I think). They were billing the operating room at 45 minute increments....recovery room @ so many $$ per hour. Prescription meds from the hospital are way over on what you would pay at your local drugstore.

    Sorry to rant...

    Best to you
    Angela
  • pepebcn
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    mukamom said:

    yes it is nonsense
    Most of the time you can negotiate for a lower amount and there are patient advocates who can help find funding, aid, prescription help...but it is a lot of legwork and hoop jumping. Some people pay on a huge medical bill every month with no hope of ever paying it all...some people's medical bills are so huge they file for bankruptcy. Some people decide not to get treatment for whatever is wrong, because they just can not afford it. Its a total mess, if you ask me. I think hospital services are way overpriced(not so much dr, I think). They were billing the operating room at 45 minute increments....recovery room @ so many $$ per hour. Prescription meds from the hospital are way over on what you would pay at your local drugstore.

    Sorry to rant...

    Best to you
    Angela

    nonsense at all, I'm interested just to compare as have choosen
    our social security and I'm very happy with it,but before I coos them l asked at MdAndersons Madrid the only MD Andersons Hospital Out of the States,they service from here to the whole European Union and they told me ...........from 60 to 100 thousand € (estimation depending of complications and unforeseen) ,so there is no sense for such a difference between Europe and the US unless they are robbing the inssurance ,and then the insurance is charging all this costs to you.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
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    mukamom said:

    liver resection $$$$$$$
    $800,000 for liver resection, 4 days intensive care, 1 day regular room...hospital accepted about 120,000 from insurance and the rest was written off(minus our portion). Pretty ridiculous, charging that much to start with. A person with no ins would get billed the full amount and probally could negotiate a lower cost, but I bet it wouldn't be 120,000.
    We live in Talladega, AL, outside Birmingham and this was Princeton Baptist Hospital.

    WHAT?
    I think you're missing a decimal point. Over 3/4 of a million dollars?
    Does that come with the Brooklyn Bridge?
  • pepebcn
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    PhillieG said:

    WHAT?
    I think you're missing a decimal point. Over 3/4 of a million dollars?
    Does that come with the Brooklyn Bridge?

    Phil is it to me?
    l mean 60.000 to 100.000 euros ! Don't know the exchange today but in dollars around a 25% more
  • Lori-S
    Lori-S Member Posts: 1,277 Member
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    pepebcn said:

    nonsense at all, I'm interested just to compare as have choosen
    our social security and I'm very happy with it,but before I coos them l asked at MdAndersons Madrid the only MD Andersons Hospital Out of the States,they service from here to the whole European Union and they told me ...........from 60 to 100 thousand € (estimation depending of complications and unforeseen) ,so there is no sense for such a difference between Europe and the US unless they are robbing the inssurance ,and then the insurance is charging all this costs to you.

    Pepe
    My colon reseaction with 2 weeks in the hospital, no insurance, cost me over $175,000 total.
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
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    Lori-S said:

    Pepe
    My colon reseaction with 2 weeks in the hospital, no insurance, cost me over $175,000 total.

    tks Lori
    Where was it ?
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
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    pepebcn said:

    Phil is it to me?
    l mean 60.000 to 100.000 euros ! Don't know the exchange today but in dollars around a 25% more

    It's not you
    I was responding to mukamom's post. She said the asking price was US $800,000. I don't know the exchange rate but the 60,000 - 100,000 seems more reasonable, even in euros
  • Lori-S
    Lori-S Member Posts: 1,277 Member
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    pepebcn said:

    tks Lori
    Where was it ?

    Not a major cancer center
    Just a local hospital in Las Vegas NV
  • Lori-S
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    Lori-S said:

    Not a major cancer center
    Just a local hospital in Las Vegas NV

    Pepe
    My resection would have cost 124,857 EUR here
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
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    PhillieG said:

    It's not you
    I was responding to mukamom's post. She said the asking price was US $800,000. I don't know the exchange rate but the 60,000 - 100,000 seems more reasonable, even in euros

    That's what I think Phil but look to Lori,s post
    175.000 just for colon resection not other organs envolved !May be worth to come to Anderson,s Madrid! they got the same surgery facilities on surgery, not with chemo as most of the US trials are not approved yet by EMEA in this we got a big delay compared with the US.
  • mukamom
    mukamom Member Posts: 402
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    omg!!! typo
    Sorry to freak everyone out...typing skills lack sometimes as proofreading too!! Robert's liver resection was 180,000 after all was said and done(drs, drugs, room board,etc)..NOT 800,000!!!! Ins ended up paying 120,000.

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