my weird experience
All tests and bloodwork came back normal in the hospital, so it's probably the bp meds.
I've got a real sensitive body system that faints easily. I've fainted at least a dozen times or so in my life. One time it was at school where I taught in a classroom full of first graders! So, a weird, stupid thing! I'll call my primary care doc tomorrow & let her know everything.
Tomorrow's also the day I'm supposed to hear back from Health Net on what they're deciding about my appeal to their denial of the gemcitabine (Gemzar).
On the positive note, it is absolutely a gorgeous sunny southern California day- the high here today was 78. Our great weather always perks me up. I spent some time just sitting in the sun in the yard today. Take care, everyone!
Lisa
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it was high
Actually, my blood sugar was 185 when they tested it, which is pretty high considering I had only a yogurt and a granola bar about two hours prior. I did pop a few tic tacs in walmart thinking maybe it was low blood sugar, but i don't think just that would have spiked it up that high.
I will mention all these things- I've often thought I had hypoglycemia, but my bloodsugar is always w/in the normal range when I get it checked. Usually in the low 70's after fasting on bloodtests.0 -
Hypoglycemia
Low blood sugar. You said you didn't eat that day. Just a thought. This happened to me, light headed, dizzy, woozy, shaky and feeling like you are going to faint about 15 years ago or so. After it happened a few times I went to the doctor and he knew immediately what it was. Gave me that 8 hour glucose test where you have to drink the sugar stuff and they take a blood test every hour and the doc was right. A few weeks of a high protein low carb diet, then gradually adding food back to your diet got everything back to normal, had to watch diet for while, watch carbs, still do. For some reason you produce too much insulin. Tina0 -
Its wierdlisa42 said:it was high
Actually, my blood sugar was 185 when they tested it, which is pretty high considering I had only a yogurt and a granola bar about two hours prior. I did pop a few tic tacs in walmart thinking maybe it was low blood sugar, but i don't think just that would have spiked it up that high.
I will mention all these things- I've often thought I had hypoglycemia, but my bloodsugar is always w/in the normal range when I get it checked. Usually in the low 70's after fasting on bloodtests.
It has not happened since that time many years ago. I remember blood sugar being something like 45. I remember friends telling me I am headed for diabetes but doc said nonsense. Diet did the trick, no type of medicine was needed. Doc just said follow this diet and give it 3 to 4 weeks to work. Good luck and I think of you often. Tina0 -
Lisalisa42 said:it was high
Actually, my blood sugar was 185 when they tested it, which is pretty high considering I had only a yogurt and a granola bar about two hours prior. I did pop a few tic tacs in walmart thinking maybe it was low blood sugar, but i don't think just that would have spiked it up that high.
I will mention all these things- I've often thought I had hypoglycemia, but my bloodsugar is always w/in the normal range when I get it checked. Usually in the low 70's after fasting on bloodtests.
normal blood suger is 80 to 120 so 70 would be alittle low and if it gets like that it can bottom out very fast. I am a brittle diabetic and take 4 shots a day and 2500 mg of oral meds to try to control mine and if I get to 100 I better eat or I will be in the ER so keep an eye on it and be careful...0 -
could be your BP pills- do
could be your BP pills- do you take a directic? Could be dehydration Lisa- when I was taken via ambulance to the hospital, bp was very very very low- I was also very dizzy, things spinning around me like crazy- could not keep my body upright. I was day 4 in a chemo cycle- turns out I was very dehydrated. I was in the hospital a week that time- that was also the last time I got oxi. I know you aren't on chemo- but curious if you have been keeping your water level up and/or if you are on directics for the bp- like lasix (think that is what it is called), cause that will pull the fluid right out of you.
I keep tic tacs and a bottle of water on me at all times-0 -
what is that about greatkimby said:Dehydration?
Lisa,
I started passing out about 3 yrs ago. I have a condition that increases my risk of dehydration. When that happens my bp drops and so do I! If you didn't eat, did you drink water? Just another thought for you.
Kimby
Outwit. Outplay. Outlast.
what is that about great minds??
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Low or high?Patteee said:could be your BP pills- do
could be your BP pills- do you take a directic? Could be dehydration Lisa- when I was taken via ambulance to the hospital, bp was very very very low- I was also very dizzy, things spinning around me like crazy- could not keep my body upright. I was day 4 in a chemo cycle- turns out I was very dehydrated. I was in the hospital a week that time- that was also the last time I got oxi. I know you aren't on chemo- but curious if you have been keeping your water level up and/or if you are on directics for the bp- like lasix (think that is what it is called), cause that will pull the fluid right out of you.
I keep tic tacs and a bottle of water on me at all times-
Re:
"I was just in ER 5 weeks ago for dangerously high blood pressure!
My primary care doc upped my BP meds and so I guess now they were
working too well & made the BP way too low. "
Wow. From BP to Bee Pee.
It's amazing to me, that there's such a tremendous amount of people
on BP meds, and more getting prescriptions for them every day.
It's become all the rage! And now that the industry has again lowered
the BP standard, there should be hundreds of thousands more taking
the BP meds!
High blood pressure is a symptom of an underlying problem;
It has always been a -symptom- of an underlying problem.
Sometime in the 1950s, it started to change from a symptom,
to an actual "cause". The meds that took BP down went from
being a temporary fix, to a permanent solution. And over time,
the BP standards continued to drop, so more and more people
were being considered "at risk", and placed on BP meds.
A stroke is when the brain does not receive enough blood.
An aneurysm is not caused by high BP.
An aneurysm does not rupture due to high BP
Arterial plaque does not get dislodged due to high BP.
Liver, Kidney, and Renal failure are caused most often due to
toxicity of the blood, and usually a result of pharmaceutical products.
BP meds all have side effects that damage other organs.
For years and years, and to this day, med schools teach that
a patient with high BP should take 6 to 9 months to attempt
to get it under control through diet, exercise, etc.. and if/when
all else fails, the physician should then try to resolve the problem
by a thorough diagnosis to locate the cause of the high BP.
A doctor I had never met before, who had absolutely no
records of my health status, saw that my blood pressure
was high on that one, isolated visit, and began writing a
prescription for a blood pressure med.
That is what the health care industry has come to; that is
how incompetent the industry has become.
If you have a fever, you know it is a symptom, and you might
take aspirin to lower it, but you find the reason for the fever
and cure that cause of the fever; you do not take aspirins
forever to keep the fever low, and allow it's cause to
go unattended.
Yet..... that's what they're telling you is the right thing to do
about high blood pressure.
And so, so many individuals follow along, frightened from
the mantra of those in the industry, handing over their lives
to practitioners that should know better.
Ugh. Thank you for allowing me to rant.
I just wanted to give at least one reader something to think about;
a reason to use their common sense...0 -
insurance issues AGAIN!
I can't believe your insurance company dictates which hospital you can go to as well! it's not like you had a choice as to which hospital the ambulance took you to! I would have taken the ride to the hospital that WAS in my network. Heck, when I was having so many infections after the IPHC procedure, I went to every ER in the area! And twice took an ambulance ride from my local ER to Baptist to get fixed up! It was better than having my daughters drive me AGAIN all that way! Yet another example of why our health system needs to be fixed. Seems you are a walking billboard for what cancer survivors shouldn't have to deal with on top of everything else; I am so sorry you are having such a tough time of it. I bet your family was scared by the time they got back into town. I hope you are resting easy and get your meds straightened out soon.
mary0 -
When I needed to go to ER back in Sept,msccolon said:insurance issues AGAIN!
I can't believe your insurance company dictates which hospital you can go to as well! it's not like you had a choice as to which hospital the ambulance took you to! I would have taken the ride to the hospital that WAS in my network. Heck, when I was having so many infections after the IPHC procedure, I went to every ER in the area! And twice took an ambulance ride from my local ER to Baptist to get fixed up! It was better than having my daughters drive me AGAIN all that way! Yet another example of why our health system needs to be fixed. Seems you are a walking billboard for what cancer survivors shouldn't have to deal with on top of everything else; I am so sorry you are having such a tough time of it. I bet your family was scared by the time they got back into town. I hope you are resting easy and get your meds straightened out soon.
mary
I told EMTs not to take me to local hospital five minutes away but to the one my surgeon and cancer docs are affiliated with, don't bother me with the costs, I;ll die at my local hosp.
Sometime after that I got a bill from FDNY for around $500 for the twenty minute ambulence ride. I returned the form to them with my insurance info and am still awaiting response (which I'll probably get in the mail tomorrow telling me to pay up). As for feinting,one time was a few years ago when vet cut cat and I passed out over the blood. I take a cane with me since op so if I feel weak for anyreason I have some support.
Hope you're feeling better Lisa, you've been thru more thanyour share.....steve0 -
I'll watch itlcarper2 said:Lisa
normal blood suger is 80 to 120 so 70 would be alittle low and if it gets like that it can bottom out very fast. I am a brittle diabetic and take 4 shots a day and 2500 mg of oral meds to try to control mine and if I get to 100 I better eat or I will be in the ER so keep an eye on it and be careful...
I will watch the blood sugar. I don't think that was really my problem this time or what caused the blood pressure to drop, though. I've mentioned concerns w/ blood sugar before to my doc. I should bring it up again. I do know that if I get overly hungry, that I start to go into a fog and can't even think straight, not to mention that I get a headache and really shakey. I do always keep tic tacs or something like that on hand in case I start to get hungry (or have bad breath- lol)0 -
good pointkimby said:Dehydration?
Lisa,
I started passing out about 3 yrs ago. I have a condition that increases my risk of dehydration. When that happens my bp drops and so do I! If you didn't eat, did you drink water? Just another thought for you.
Kimby
Outwit. Outplay. Outlast.
Good point, Kimby. I had a water bottle in my car and did have some of it before I went into the store, so I don't think that was the issue- at least not this time.
Thanks for pointing it out, though.0 -
PatteePatteee said:could be your BP pills- do
could be your BP pills- do you take a directic? Could be dehydration Lisa- when I was taken via ambulance to the hospital, bp was very very very low- I was also very dizzy, things spinning around me like crazy- could not keep my body upright. I was day 4 in a chemo cycle- turns out I was very dehydrated. I was in the hospital a week that time- that was also the last time I got oxi. I know you aren't on chemo- but curious if you have been keeping your water level up and/or if you are on directics for the bp- like lasix (think that is what it is called), cause that will pull the fluid right out of you.
I keep tic tacs and a bottle of water on me at all times-
Pattee,
My bp pills do not include a dieuretic. The only thing I take that could dry me out is a daily antihistamine Zyrtec, for allergies. I am always thirsty and always drinking water. It seems like I can never get enough water & then sometimes I don't drink as much as I'd like to because I'd have to go to the bathroom too much when I'm out in the stores. Maybe there's something to why I'm always thirsty- maybe that has to do with me actually being dehydrated even after I drink some water. Hmmm... maybe something still to do w/ the blood sugar. I think I'll ask my primary doc if I can get tested for that.0 -
Mary- re. insurancemsccolon said:insurance issues AGAIN!
I can't believe your insurance company dictates which hospital you can go to as well! it's not like you had a choice as to which hospital the ambulance took you to! I would have taken the ride to the hospital that WAS in my network. Heck, when I was having so many infections after the IPHC procedure, I went to every ER in the area! And twice took an ambulance ride from my local ER to Baptist to get fixed up! It was better than having my daughters drive me AGAIN all that way! Yet another example of why our health system needs to be fixed. Seems you are a walking billboard for what cancer survivors shouldn't have to deal with on top of everything else; I am so sorry you are having such a tough time of it. I bet your family was scared by the time they got back into town. I hope you are resting easy and get your meds straightened out soon.
mary
Mary,
Yup- here with the gemcitabine denial and now dictating which hospital I can go to. I had a few issues with Aetna, but I never knew what an HMO can be like until we were switched to Health Net Jan. 1st. On top of all this, I've got to call them because they just sent me an EOB for my daughter's counseling appts, that they're not being paid. There was no explanation, so I have to call. I went to this counselor before we changed insurance, but once we changed I checked to make sure they were still providers for health Net and yes, they were listed. So, I have no idea what the problem is- very maddening! I imagine this means they're going to reject every single thing there is and, for this, we pay $1491 a month for our family! Our alternative is to go with my husband's work's insurance, which is Anthem Blue Cross, and would cost us about the same. I wonder if anyone has them out there & what they think. According to my oncologist, they're the absolute worst in rejecting meds he tries to get for his patients.0 -
JohnJohn23 said:Low or high?
Re:
"I was just in ER 5 weeks ago for dangerously high blood pressure!
My primary care doc upped my BP meds and so I guess now they were
working too well & made the BP way too low. "
Wow. From BP to Bee Pee.
It's amazing to me, that there's such a tremendous amount of people
on BP meds, and more getting prescriptions for them every day.
It's become all the rage! And now that the industry has again lowered
the BP standard, there should be hundreds of thousands more taking
the BP meds!
High blood pressure is a symptom of an underlying problem;
It has always been a -symptom- of an underlying problem.
Sometime in the 1950s, it started to change from a symptom,
to an actual "cause". The meds that took BP down went from
being a temporary fix, to a permanent solution. And over time,
the BP standards continued to drop, so more and more people
were being considered "at risk", and placed on BP meds.
A stroke is when the brain does not receive enough blood.
An aneurysm is not caused by high BP.
An aneurysm does not rupture due to high BP
Arterial plaque does not get dislodged due to high BP.
Liver, Kidney, and Renal failure are caused most often due to
toxicity of the blood, and usually a result of pharmaceutical products.
BP meds all have side effects that damage other organs.
For years and years, and to this day, med schools teach that
a patient with high BP should take 6 to 9 months to attempt
to get it under control through diet, exercise, etc.. and if/when
all else fails, the physician should then try to resolve the problem
by a thorough diagnosis to locate the cause of the high BP.
A doctor I had never met before, who had absolutely no
records of my health status, saw that my blood pressure
was high on that one, isolated visit, and began writing a
prescription for a blood pressure med.
That is what the health care industry has come to; that is
how incompetent the industry has become.
If you have a fever, you know it is a symptom, and you might
take aspirin to lower it, but you find the reason for the fever
and cure that cause of the fever; you do not take aspirins
forever to keep the fever low, and allow it's cause to
go unattended.
Yet..... that's what they're telling you is the right thing to do
about high blood pressure.
And so, so many individuals follow along, frightened from
the mantra of those in the industry, handing over their lives
to practitioners that should know better.
Ugh. Thank you for allowing me to rant.
I just wanted to give at least one reader something to think about;
a reason to use their common sense...
Hi John,
I hear ya- that all too often drs want to just put a bandaid on the problem instead of discovering and dealing with what's causing it. Here I'm about to go on chemo again, though and that has always interfered w/ my bp. So, we may get it regulated now & then it'll get messed up again. I've read about some natural blood pressure controllers. Don't remember what they are, offhand, though. Do you have any natural supplements as suggestions for blood pressure regulation, other than of course exercise?
I'd like to be able to regulate it naturally, but in the meantime, I need to keep it under control too so it doesn't go so low that I pass out and that it doesn't go so high that I have a stroke.0 -
Anthem/Blue Crosslisa42 said:Mary- re. insurance
Mary,
Yup- here with the gemcitabine denial and now dictating which hospital I can go to. I had a few issues with Aetna, but I never knew what an HMO can be like until we were switched to Health Net Jan. 1st. On top of all this, I've got to call them because they just sent me an EOB for my daughter's counseling appts, that they're not being paid. There was no explanation, so I have to call. I went to this counselor before we changed insurance, but once we changed I checked to make sure they were still providers for health Net and yes, they were listed. So, I have no idea what the problem is- very maddening! I imagine this means they're going to reject every single thing there is and, for this, we pay $1491 a month for our family! Our alternative is to go with my husband's work's insurance, which is Anthem Blue Cross, and would cost us about the same. I wonder if anyone has them out there & what they think. According to my oncologist, they're the absolute worst in rejecting meds he tries to get for his patients.
Lisa,
Anthem Blue Cross is the carrier my sister has. They do not approve ANYTHING that is not FDA approved specifically for colorectal cancer. They denied my sister three times for SIR Spheres, and I do think had she had that back in September, she may not be in the state she is in now (just my biased view who knows). I also googled them for other procedures and can find lots on the internet of stuff they don't cover (HIPEC is another one).
Anyways, that is just my advice. I do think you need to stay hydrated and eat grazingly all day to make sure your blood sugars are stable.
Sorry about the insurance troubles! That is the last thing you need on top of everything else you are dealing with.
Marie0 -
Take care
First, so very glad there was someone to catch you when you fainted.
So sorry that you had that problem and were alone.
Very glad that it appears to be the bp meds...some times it is hard to get them regulated.
Take that bp often.
To better days and better health,
Marie0 -
Thank You for your CLEAR, HONEST, FEEDBACK!John23 said:Low or high?
Re:
"I was just in ER 5 weeks ago for dangerously high blood pressure!
My primary care doc upped my BP meds and so I guess now they were
working too well & made the BP way too low. "
Wow. From BP to Bee Pee.
It's amazing to me, that there's such a tremendous amount of people
on BP meds, and more getting prescriptions for them every day.
It's become all the rage! And now that the industry has again lowered
the BP standard, there should be hundreds of thousands more taking
the BP meds!
High blood pressure is a symptom of an underlying problem;
It has always been a -symptom- of an underlying problem.
Sometime in the 1950s, it started to change from a symptom,
to an actual "cause". The meds that took BP down went from
being a temporary fix, to a permanent solution. And over time,
the BP standards continued to drop, so more and more people
were being considered "at risk", and placed on BP meds.
A stroke is when the brain does not receive enough blood.
An aneurysm is not caused by high BP.
An aneurysm does not rupture due to high BP
Arterial plaque does not get dislodged due to high BP.
Liver, Kidney, and Renal failure are caused most often due to
toxicity of the blood, and usually a result of pharmaceutical products.
BP meds all have side effects that damage other organs.
For years and years, and to this day, med schools teach that
a patient with high BP should take 6 to 9 months to attempt
to get it under control through diet, exercise, etc.. and if/when
all else fails, the physician should then try to resolve the problem
by a thorough diagnosis to locate the cause of the high BP.
A doctor I had never met before, who had absolutely no
records of my health status, saw that my blood pressure
was high on that one, isolated visit, and began writing a
prescription for a blood pressure med.
That is what the health care industry has come to; that is
how incompetent the industry has become.
If you have a fever, you know it is a symptom, and you might
take aspirin to lower it, but you find the reason for the fever
and cure that cause of the fever; you do not take aspirins
forever to keep the fever low, and allow it's cause to
go unattended.
Yet..... that's what they're telling you is the right thing to do
about high blood pressure.
And so, so many individuals follow along, frightened from
the mantra of those in the industry, handing over their lives
to practitioners that should know better.
Ugh. Thank you for allowing me to rant.
I just wanted to give at least one reader something to think about;
a reason to use their common sense...
Hi John...
Just a quickie to let you know how much I appreciate your insightful and accurate (in my opinion) SHARING! It's a GREAT REMINDER TO ME TO BE VIGILANT IN BEING PRESENT FOR WHAT MEDICINE IS TEACHING US TODAY and to be VERY INVOLVED in DECISIONS about take care of my own body. I'm getting too old for all this WORK!
MaryJane0 -
How scary an experience for you!lisa42 said:I'll watch it
I will watch the blood sugar. I don't think that was really my problem this time or what caused the blood pressure to drop, though. I've mentioned concerns w/ blood sugar before to my doc. I should bring it up again. I do know that if I get overly hungry, that I start to go into a fog and can't even think straight, not to mention that I get a headache and really shakey. I do always keep tic tacs or something like that on hand in case I start to get hungry (or have bad breath- lol)
Hi Lisa...
HOPE YOU'RE DOING BETTER AND I'M SO SORRY YOU GO THRU SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!
maryjane0
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