Cancer is where our fight should be....NOT GOD!!!

dasspears said:

What??
This a cancer board? Who knew?

Irish Blessings Jan
I totally agree with you that this website is for talking about cancer but we must be allowed to ask for or give prayers when needed. I guess I'm just wondering why this is such a big deal. It seems like people on here are affraid to mention God. Why?? Growing up in Northern Ireland you must be Catholic or Protestant although I believe there are less Catholic's.

luvmylife said:

Hi Patrick,
It is nice to
Hi Patrick,

It is nice to talk to you, I'm sorry we had to meet here. I am Catholic but I have many friends and family members who are Protestant, Jewish and Muslim and ones who do not practice anything. I have been a mammo and ct tech for 26 yrs and have seen many new cancer diagnosis in my pt's and God is a big part of their cancer fight and he is a big part of our fight against my husband, Jimmy's, cancer. I really don't know why it is such a big deal to ask for prayers. This debate is so sad. I don't see how anyone can be offended and if they are then just ignore the posts that ask for prayer. I also think it's sad that people are uncomfortable with this issue.

God Bless you,

Jan

Catholic too
It's nice to see you are so strong in your will for God. As a Catholic myself I know it is our duty to always praise God. I am sorry to hear about your husband Jimmy I pray that he is doing well. I too am Irish well I am not from Ireland but my Great grandparents where both from the Emerald Isle.... My parents always taught us God first above all and that includes cancer and I will always put my love for God above cancer, it will not defeat me.

God Bless you my Irish Sister in Christ,
Patrick

FYI as a Catholic did you know there is a Saint just for cancer?

PhillieG said:

Hi Nana
Well, it's not a prayer board/forum for starters. Why on earth would you even draw that conclusion? I enjoy spirituality and comparative religion, that's why I post there. Just because I am against prayer on the colon cancer forum (and always will be) does not mean I am against it in a religion forum. I found it a great place to post questions about what people think may happen after we die, or if cancer's been all bad for you, and other issues that we face having dealt with cancer and to listen to and respond to interesting questions that other members have posted.

I thought that having a religion/mediation/spirituality forum might help with the never-ending arguments that arise on here about religion. I thought, and still think, it's a great forum. Why is it so difficult for people to NOT post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum? I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer? Somehow we seem to have managed (mostly) to keep politics out of the forum but I have little doubt that it would divide along the same line as the religion issue does.

Phil I think what Nana and
Phil I think what Nana and others is trying to say is that it's ok to use the word God and to ask for or offer prayers. To say why don't people post sexual preference on the colon site is silly. People do not believe or pray to a sexual preference they pray to God, Allah, Buddha or any other higher spirit in which they believe in. As a Christian I believe that God is helping me fight cancer not my sexual orientation. But I am not going to go down that road for what I have been reading talking about God is a NO,NO here and that's not why I am here. I love God above all else but for me this site is to learn how to beat cancer and yes it will be with God's help for me personally. If I want to talk about God I will go over to the Prayer thread and do it there but I will offer prayer to anyone who ask for it.

Patrick

PhillieG said:

Hi Nana
Well, it's not a prayer board/forum for starters. Why on earth would you even draw that conclusion? I enjoy spirituality and comparative religion, that's why I post there. Just because I am against prayer on the colon cancer forum (and always will be) does not mean I am against it in a religion forum. I found it a great place to post questions about what people think may happen after we die, or if cancer's been all bad for you, and other issues that we face having dealt with cancer and to listen to and respond to interesting questions that other members have posted.

I thought that having a religion/mediation/spirituality forum might help with the never-ending arguments that arise on here about religion. I thought, and still think, it's a great forum. Why is it so difficult for people to NOT post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum? I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer? Somehow we seem to have managed (mostly) to keep politics out of the forum but I have little doubt that it would divide along the same line as the religion issue does.

Phil- re spirituality board- maybe Greta can clarify here?
"...I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer?" Your sentence there hit the nail on the head, Phil. (referring to the fact that CSN has separate boards for gays and lesbians with cancer, but their sexual preference issues don't get discussed on the main board like spiritual issues do). The reason why it's so difficult for many people to not post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum is because their beliefs ARE relevant to their cancer & how they cope with cancer.
Your argumentative viewpoints in the past have been the very reason why I do not feel comfortable posting about my Christian faith on the spirituality board. I was excited when it was first formed, but the fact that a few people who seem very openly hostile to Christians are among the most active on that board- I don't need that stress and combativeness. I don't want somewhere to go debate, I want somewhere to share feelings, belief, and prayers, which is VERY relevant to my cancer- it is how I cope. So I stay off the spirituality board because it does not meet my spirituality need. I'm not saying it needs to change because I know some people want to discuss and/or debate it all and are of various different beliefs. But that's not me. So to say that people asking for prayer should take it to the spirituality board really doesn't work- I don't think it would work that way very well. Maybe it does, as I haven't checked the spirituality board out lately, but as I said there before, I did not feel comfortable there and did not feel a lot of people there who believed the same as I do.

Ok- I said I wasn't going to get drawn into this explosion this time, but I guess I just did because it really upsets me seeing you post little jabs here and there. It's not that you're kindly pointing something out- you have a hostile tone about it all. This does not help people's cancer- it just adds stress and ends up having people leave the board.
I'm sad about it all that it was brought to the forefront again. I realize many of the recent postings have been quite religiously explicit and I am not defending all of what was posted (I actually missed some, as apparently lots was posted and then got pulled, which I never saw all of)- BUT people sharing who they are and asking for prayer is therapeutic and can be about cancer, if it's talked about in that manner. (not preaching, as I know was much of the recent problem, but to ask people to no longer mention prayer- well, that's a selfish request. As I said before, I will only mention praying for someone if they ask for it or if I know they have similar beliefs as I do in that area. That should NOT be banned, if it has been- that is what I'm not sure of- I think I missed a few posts on what ACTUALLY was said or requested of CSN board members in the future.
Lisa

lisa42 said:

Phil- re spirituality board- maybe Greta can clarify here?
"...I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer?" Your sentence there hit the nail on the head, Phil. (referring to the fact that CSN has separate boards for gays and lesbians with cancer, but their sexual preference issues don't get discussed on the main board like spiritual issues do). The reason why it's so difficult for many people to not post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum is because their beliefs ARE relevant to their cancer & how they cope with cancer.
Your argumentative viewpoints in the past have been the very reason why I do not feel comfortable posting about my Christian faith on the spirituality board. I was excited when it was first formed, but the fact that a few people who seem very openly hostile to Christians are among the most active on that board- I don't need that stress and combativeness. I don't want somewhere to go debate, I want somewhere to share feelings, belief, and prayers, which is VERY relevant to my cancer- it is how I cope. So I stay off the spirituality board because it does not meet my spirituality need. I'm not saying it needs to change because I know some people want to discuss and/or debate it all and are of various different beliefs. But that's not me. So to say that people asking for prayer should take it to the spirituality board really doesn't work- I don't think it would work that way very well. Maybe it does, as I haven't checked the spirituality board out lately, but as I said there before, I did not feel comfortable there and did not feel a lot of people there who believed the same as I do.

Ok- I said I wasn't going to get drawn into this explosion this time, but I guess I just did because it really upsets me seeing you post little jabs here and there. It's not that you're kindly pointing something out- you have a hostile tone about it all. This does not help people's cancer- it just adds stress and ends up having people leave the board.
I'm sad about it all that it was brought to the forefront again. I realize many of the recent postings have been quite religiously explicit and I am not defending all of what was posted (I actually missed some, as apparently lots was posted and then got pulled, which I never saw all of)- BUT people sharing who they are and asking for prayer is therapeutic and can be about cancer, if it's talked about in that manner. (not preaching, as I know was much of the recent problem, but to ask people to no longer mention prayer- well, that's a selfish request. As I said before, I will only mention praying for someone if they ask for it or if I know they have similar beliefs as I do in that area. That should NOT be banned, if it has been- that is what I'm not sure of- I think I missed a few posts on what ACTUALLY was said or requested of CSN board members in the future.
Lisa

Prayer
I have yet to see a request for thoughts and prayers cause a post to be flagged or pulled, but there are some who see ther role as that of preacher or evangelist and try repeatedly to become the boards own Jimmy Swaggert. In this last round, the one who started it told Winter Marie she was going to hell and that he had a book that proved it!

Would you approve of members of the Westboro Baptists spouting their religious hate here?

This is not a fight about silencing god, rather it is a fight to prevent zealots from driving out everyone who does not agree with them, all in the name of victimhood.

Their are rules and codes of conduct to prevent this kind of takeover, and to leave this board open for all, regardless of belief.