Muse and rise in psa. Also pomegranate pills to control rising psa
psa rose gradually to 1.3 Sep 2009.
RT, 40 treatments - Oct thru Dec 2009
psa 0.5 Feb 2010
psa 0.1 May 2010
psa 0.2 Oct 2010
psa 0.4 Jan 2011.
Anyone with pomegranate pills experience reducing psa?
Also anyone with use of Muse as related to rising psa? I used Muse Nov thru Dec 2010
Please share. Thanks.
Comments
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I assume you have been in
I assume you have been in contact with your Doctor. As you are most likely aware it appears that you may need some follow treatments following your RP in 2005.
I'm using numerous items such as pomegranate and do not know if it has helped or not since my PSA has been undetectable since my Surgery.
Please seek some advice from your doctor as to a next step in your treatment plans.
Take Care and best wishes.
Larry0 -
Thanks Larry for your promptlewvino said:I assume you have been in
I assume you have been in contact with your Doctor. As you are most likely aware it appears that you may need some follow treatments following your RP in 2005.
I'm using numerous items such as pomegranate and do not know if it has helped or not since my PSA has been undetectable since my Surgery.
Please seek some advice from your doctor as to a next step in your treatment plans.
Take Care and best wishes.
Larry
Thanks Larry for your prompt response.
are you using Pom juice or pills? I am continually seeing my radiation oncologist. Next appt
in 7 days.
Good luck to you on remaining psa free.God bless.0 -
Subu; your PSA chronologysubu1970 said:Thanks Larry for your prompt
Thanks Larry for your prompt response.
are you using Pom juice or pills? I am continually seeing my radiation oncologist. Next appt
in 7 days.
Good luck to you on remaining psa free.God bless.
Subu
I have no experience in pomegranate or muse in driving down the PSA. I just would like to draw your attention to your PSA chronology.
I wonder if your radiation oncologist has commented on any possible bounce in your PSA. The fact is that, after RT, PSA becomes much erratic, going down and up before it stabilizes many months later. This is typical of cases with prostate in place (not you), but some guys after SRT have also experienced similar bounces.
The best to you.
VGama0 -
Pomegranate Extractsubu1970 said:Thanks Larry for your prompt
Thanks Larry for your prompt response.
are you using Pom juice or pills? I am continually seeing my radiation oncologist. Next appt
in 7 days.
Good luck to you on remaining psa free.God bless.
FWIW, I took pomegranate AND cranberry extract (2 pills/2x's each daily) for 6 months w/o any noticeable effect on my PSA levels. Have since stopped taking them.0 -
With reference to MUSE - myVascodaGama said:Subu; your PSA chronology
Subu
I have no experience in pomegranate or muse in driving down the PSA. I just would like to draw your attention to your PSA chronology.
I wonder if your radiation oncologist has commented on any possible bounce in your PSA. The fact is that, after RT, PSA becomes much erratic, going down and up before it stabilizes many months later. This is typical of cases with prostate in place (not you), but some guys after SRT have also experienced similar bounces.
The best to you.
VGama
With reference to MUSE - my question was : Does the use of MUSE in any way increase the
psa numbers? I am sorry I was not clear enough in the earler communication. I do very
much appreciate your response. The best to you as well.0 -
I am taking pomegranitesubu1970 said:Thanks Larry for your prompt
Thanks Larry for your prompt response.
are you using Pom juice or pills? I am continually seeing my radiation oncologist. Next appt
in 7 days.
Good luck to you on remaining psa free.God bless.
I am taking pomegranite pills (Cheaper then the juice), also green tea, acai, green barley, flax seeds, vitamin D, la-argine (spelling?) and reservatol. Who knows if its helping but I'm at least stimulating the economy!
larry0 -
PSA Levels
Subu,
Your PSA levels will bounce around a bit after RT. The median time it takes to settle in to a nadir is 18 months. If your scores trend steadily upward you probably still have some PCa somewhere but at this point your scores seem within the normal range for post RT.
I have tried pomegranate juice to no effect although it tastes good and goes particularly well with Grey Goose vodka. If you're taking a statin like Crestor it can cause you some problems so check with your doctor if you're taking those.
I have had much better effect eliminating dairy for reducing PSA levels. My PSA went from 4.3 to 2.8 in six weeks just before RT treatment in July. There are several threads about the impact of dairy and red meat in you peruse some back pages.
K0 -
Back pages.Kongo said:PSA Levels
Subu,
Your PSA levels will bounce around a bit after RT. The median time it takes to settle in to a nadir is 18 months. If your scores trend steadily upward you probably still have some PCa somewhere but at this point your scores seem within the normal range for post RT.
I have tried pomegranate juice to no effect although it tastes good and goes particularly well with Grey Goose vodka. If you're taking a statin like Crestor it can cause you some problems so check with your doctor if you're taking those.
I have had much better effect eliminating dairy for reducing PSA levels. My PSA went from 4.3 to 2.8 in six weeks just before RT treatment in July. There are several threads about the impact of dairy and red meat in you peruse some back pages.
K
K,
Thanks for your response - I was actually waiting to read your posting and was pretty confident that you will respond.
I have gone thru your back pages and very much appreciate the time you have invested.
This discussion board is truely helpful - gives one the feeling that one is not alone in
the fight.
Will keep sharing with you all.
Cheers.
S.0 -
Vodka reactionsubu1970 said:Back pages.
K,
Thanks for your response - I was actually waiting to read your posting and was pretty confident that you will respond.
I have gone thru your back pages and very much appreciate the time you have invested.
This discussion board is truely helpful - gives one the feeling that one is not alone in
the fight.
Will keep sharing with you all.
Cheers.
S.
Kongo,
Could you explain which one causes the reaction when taken with the statin, the vodka or the pomegranate?
Seriously I am planning to try pomegranate juice for a period of six months. I do not expect to see any improvement on my PSA because it is under HT influence but just want to have it as a on/off added supplement. Would vodka react with the pomes too?0 -
Pomegranite martiniVascodaGama said:Vodka reaction
Kongo,
Could you explain which one causes the reaction when taken with the statin, the vodka or the pomegranate?
Seriously I am planning to try pomegranate juice for a period of six months. I do not expect to see any improvement on my PSA because it is under HT influence but just want to have it as a on/off added supplement. Would vodka react with the pomes too?
Vasco, even if the vodka does cause a reaction, after a while you don't care so much.
As Dorothy Parker, a NYC socialite from a bygone era once quipped:
I love my martinis
Two at the most
Three I'm under the table
Four I'm under the host
K0 -
Kongo, You make me laugh againKongo said:Pomegranite martini
Vasco, even if the vodka does cause a reaction, after a while you don't care so much.
As Dorothy Parker, a NYC socialite from a bygone era once quipped:
I love my martinis
Two at the most
Three I'm under the table
Four I'm under the host
K
What can I say?...You make me laugh again.
There is a saying by the Spanish poet Cervantes (Don Quixote) which goes, “I drink when I have an occasion, and most of the times when I have no occasion”.
He was referring to red wine not vodka, so he may have been PCa free.0 -
There is study at UCLA about the effects of Pomogranate juice...
....by a Dr. Heber among men with a rising PSA....the study is ongoing...and so far the results are pretty positive,,,,, http://www.renalandurologynews.com/pomegranate-juice-may-help-prostate-cancer-patients/article/137622/ .
My non professional opinion is that there are a lot of juices with antioxidents that are probably as good as pomograte juice....that are heart healthy....(heart healthy is prostate healthy).
By the way, during the last several months I cut out milk products.....during the last several years, I have been eating a low fat heart healthy diet.......my PSA remains steady...it is currently 2.5...six months ago it was 2.6.....anyway that's my diet and numbers
Additional low fat diet and exercise support heart h and prostate healthy.0 -
Also diet and exerrcise studyhopeful and optimistic said:There is study at UCLA about the effects of Pomogranate juice...
....by a Dr. Heber among men with a rising PSA....the study is ongoing...and so far the results are pretty positive,,,,, http://www.renalandurologynews.com/pomegranate-juice-may-help-prostate-cancer-patients/article/137622/ .
My non professional opinion is that there are a lot of juices with antioxidents that are probably as good as pomograte juice....that are heart healthy....(heart healthy is prostate healthy).
By the way, during the last several months I cut out milk products.....during the last several years, I have been eating a low fat heart healthy diet.......my PSA remains steady...it is currently 2.5...six months ago it was 2.6.....anyway that's my diet and numbers
Additional low fat diet and exercise support heart h and prostate healthy.
http://www.huliq.com/10017/reduce-prostate-cancer-risk-healthy-diet
Highlights from article below:
Some sun is good
Exercise very important
Omega 3 good...omega 6 bad
grounded flax seed good
green tea good
alcohol bad
dairy products bad
fatty foods bad
HULIQ
.
Diet and Exercise Lower the Risk of Prostate Cancer in Men
Submitted by KC Kelly Ph.D. on 2010-06-21
3ShareMen now are offered a new tool to combat prostate cancer and lower its risk. It may be a good reminder to all fathers and men that exercise and healthy diet help to significantly reduce the risk of prostate cancer, a new study shows. This type of cancer strikes nearly 200,000 men in the United States, but there are ways to avoid developing the condition.
Experts have shared that eating healthy foods and exercising can help eliminate the risk of developing prostate cancer in men. And too much of a good thing, is not necessarily a good thing either. A study by Raimondi S and colleagues from European Institute of Oncology in Italy reported that men who consumed a great amount of dairy products were twice as likely to develop prostate cancer. It was found by F. A. Ukoli and colleagues from Meharry Medical College in Nashville, Tennessee that omega 3 fatty acids reduced the risk of prostate cancer while omega 6 fatty acids increased the risk of developing prostate cancer.
The Risk of Prostate Cancer
Page E Liu from University of Nottingham Medical School in the United Kingdom and López Fontana CM and colleagues at Universidad Juan Agustín Maza conducted similar studies that both showed that men who were obese and/or consumed high intakes of fatty foods were at a significantly great risk for prostate cancer. Exercise is extremely important as well for reducing the risk of developing prostate cancer. This was proven in a study by Dr. Stephen J. Freedland and colleagues of the Duke University Prostate Center and the VA Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina.
Pollard H.B. and colleagues from the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland reported in that certain doses of vitamin C reduced the tumor size and number of tumors in rats that received hormone-refractory prostate cancer PA III cells. The consumption of alcohol had an effect on the frequency of contracting prostate cancer. Lionel L. Bañez, MD, at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. and colleagues presented a study at the Genitourinary Cancers Symposium which showed that men who had three alcoholic drinks regularly each week were almost 2 and a half times more likely to develop prostate cancer as men who did not drink alcohol at all.
We often worry about how damaging the sun can be; however, according to Gilbert R from the University of Bristol in Bristol, United Kingdom and colleagues, sunshine in moderate doses may help to reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer.
Flaxseed and Green Tea both have been proven to help reduce the occurrence of prostate cancer. Researchers at Duke University Medical Center found that a diet supplemented with grounded flaxseed significantly slowed growth of cancerous cells in prostate tumors and green tea consumed in capsule form (4/day) helped slow down prostate tumor growths in men who already had prostate cancer. The men who took the capsules were cancer patients being studied by Jim Cardelli of Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center in Shreveport.
Written by Dr. KC Kelly, Ph.D.0 -
Hopeful; You are absolutely righthopeful and optimistic said:Also diet and exerrcise study
http://www.huliq.com/10017/reduce-prostate-cancer-risk-healthy-diet
Highlights from article below:
Some sun is good
Exercise very important
Omega 3 good...omega 6 bad
grounded flax seed good
green tea good
alcohol bad
dairy products bad
fatty foods bad
HULIQ
.
Diet and Exercise Lower the Risk of Prostate Cancer in Men
Submitted by KC Kelly Ph.D. on 2010-06-21
3ShareMen now are offered a new tool to combat prostate cancer and lower its risk. It may be a good reminder to all fathers and men that exercise and healthy diet help to significantly reduce the risk of prostate cancer, a new study shows. This type of cancer strikes nearly 200,000 men in the United States, but there are ways to avoid developing the condition.
Experts have shared that eating healthy foods and exercising can help eliminate the risk of developing prostate cancer in men. And too much of a good thing, is not necessarily a good thing either. A study by Raimondi S and colleagues from European Institute of Oncology in Italy reported that men who consumed a great amount of dairy products were twice as likely to develop prostate cancer. It was found by F. A. Ukoli and colleagues from Meharry Medical College in Nashville, Tennessee that omega 3 fatty acids reduced the risk of prostate cancer while omega 6 fatty acids increased the risk of developing prostate cancer.
The Risk of Prostate Cancer
Page E Liu from University of Nottingham Medical School in the United Kingdom and López Fontana CM and colleagues at Universidad Juan Agustín Maza conducted similar studies that both showed that men who were obese and/or consumed high intakes of fatty foods were at a significantly great risk for prostate cancer. Exercise is extremely important as well for reducing the risk of developing prostate cancer. This was proven in a study by Dr. Stephen J. Freedland and colleagues of the Duke University Prostate Center and the VA Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina.
Pollard H.B. and colleagues from the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland reported in that certain doses of vitamin C reduced the tumor size and number of tumors in rats that received hormone-refractory prostate cancer PA III cells. The consumption of alcohol had an effect on the frequency of contracting prostate cancer. Lionel L. Bañez, MD, at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. and colleagues presented a study at the Genitourinary Cancers Symposium which showed that men who had three alcoholic drinks regularly each week were almost 2 and a half times more likely to develop prostate cancer as men who did not drink alcohol at all.
We often worry about how damaging the sun can be; however, according to Gilbert R from the University of Bristol in Bristol, United Kingdom and colleagues, sunshine in moderate doses may help to reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer.
Flaxseed and Green Tea both have been proven to help reduce the occurrence of prostate cancer. Researchers at Duke University Medical Center found that a diet supplemented with grounded flaxseed significantly slowed growth of cancerous cells in prostate tumors and green tea consumed in capsule form (4/day) helped slow down prostate tumor growths in men who already had prostate cancer. The men who took the capsules were cancer patients being studied by Jim Cardelli of Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center in Shreveport.
Written by Dr. KC Kelly, Ph.D.
Hopeful
You are absolutely right; there is a replacement antioxidant to pomegranate with potential cancer-inhibiting properties which is the Polyphenol molecules in red wine. It makes part of the Mediterranean diet and it drives us, southern Europeans, to sing in the bath.
Thanks for the sites. I will do some researches on pomegranate pills. As a matter of fact, I have three pomegranate fruit trees in my vegy-garden. This is a winter fruit that makes part of our diet too.
Wishing you the best.
VGama0 -
martinisKongo said:Pomegranite martini
Vasco, even if the vodka does cause a reaction, after a while you don't care so much.
As Dorothy Parker, a NYC socialite from a bygone era once quipped:
I love my martinis
Two at the most
Three I'm under the table
Four I'm under the host
K
After my 6th vodka martini, I started to giggle. I looked in the mirror and said "hello you shickled pit."0 -
ADT : Continuous or Intermittent
I am about 72years old.
RP Jan 2005.
psa rose gradually to 1.3 Sep 2009.
RT, 40 treatments - Oct thru Dec 2009
psa 0.5 Feb 2010
psa 0.1 May 2010
psa 0.2 Oct 2010
psa 0.4 Jan 2011.psa 154 Feb 2020. Bladder neck involved.
Started Eligard 22.5mg March 2020, again Jun 2020, again Sep 2020. Next due about 10Dec2020.
psa 57 T 17 27Nov2020,
Feeling very tired, muscle pain, joint pain. A simple task of changing an air filter for HVAC got me sore. Feels miserable . Used to walk about 2 miles almost daily. Now just 100 yards gets sore hip muscles.
Kindly request feedback on whether to have continuous Eligard, or opt for intermittent? My medical oncologist says continuous has better outcomes.....increases life expectancy by two full years according to research.
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So sorry
to read about the recurrance after all these years.
I hope that Eligard will bring the PSA further down, but have you and your doctor considered additional treatment?
With respect to the side effects, perhaps switching to another ADT drug might work better for you and improve your quality of life.
I can't really comment on the intermittent vs continuous treatment strategies.
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