klebsiella pneumoniae
Terry
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G’day Terry
I have never heard of anyone getting this while on treatment or from treatment, does David work around or know someone who works in a slaughter house or possibility did he eat raw or uncooked meat somehow, just asking a question. Please let us know the outcome incase anyone else gets this.
Klebsiella is a gram-negative, rod shaped and non-motile bacteria of the family Enterobacteriaceae. Enterobacteriaceae represents bacteria that normally inhabit the intestines of animals and humans. When they are present outside the gut (alimentary canal between stomach and anus), they cause certain lethal infections in humans. Species of Klebsiella are ubiquitous (present everywhere) and are human-pathogens (disease causing organisms) found in the respiratory, intestinal, and urinogenital tracts. They cause pneumonia (inflammatory illness of the lungs), urinary tract infections (UTI), ankylosing spondylitis (degenerative inflammatory arthritis), septicemia (whole body inflammation) and soft body infections to humans. "Klebsiella" was named after the German pathologist, Edwin Klebs in honor of his work.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/klebsiella-pneumoniae.html
All the best to you both
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Huh. That's a new one onHondo said:G’day Terry
I have never heard of anyone getting this while on treatment or from treatment, does David work around or know someone who works in a slaughter house or possibility did he eat raw or uncooked meat somehow, just asking a question. Please let us know the outcome incase anyone else gets this.
Klebsiella is a gram-negative, rod shaped and non-motile bacteria of the family Enterobacteriaceae. Enterobacteriaceae represents bacteria that normally inhabit the intestines of animals and humans. When they are present outside the gut (alimentary canal between stomach and anus), they cause certain lethal infections in humans. Species of Klebsiella are ubiquitous (present everywhere) and are human-pathogens (disease causing organisms) found in the respiratory, intestinal, and urinogenital tracts. They cause pneumonia (inflammatory illness of the lungs), urinary tract infections (UTI), ankylosing spondylitis (degenerative inflammatory arthritis), septicemia (whole body inflammation) and soft body infections to humans. "Klebsiella" was named after the German pathologist, Edwin Klebs in honor of his work.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/klebsiella-pneumoniae.html
All the best to you both
Hondo
Huh. That's a new one on me. I've never heard of it and I have been food safety certified three times and have learned about a lot of bacteria and food Bourne illness.0 -
PorkHondo said:G’day Terry
I have never heard of anyone getting this while on treatment or from treatment, does David work around or know someone who works in a slaughter house or possibility did he eat raw or uncooked meat somehow, just asking a question. Please let us know the outcome incase anyone else gets this.
Klebsiella is a gram-negative, rod shaped and non-motile bacteria of the family Enterobacteriaceae. Enterobacteriaceae represents bacteria that normally inhabit the intestines of animals and humans. When they are present outside the gut (alimentary canal between stomach and anus), they cause certain lethal infections in humans. Species of Klebsiella are ubiquitous (present everywhere) and are human-pathogens (disease causing organisms) found in the respiratory, intestinal, and urinogenital tracts. They cause pneumonia (inflammatory illness of the lungs), urinary tract infections (UTI), ankylosing spondylitis (degenerative inflammatory arthritis), septicemia (whole body inflammation) and soft body infections to humans. "Klebsiella" was named after the German pathologist, Edwin Klebs in honor of his work.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/klebsiella-pneumoniae.html
All the best to you both
Hondo
No he is still on the feeding tube, doc's have been treating him for thrush for months now and nothing seemed to help with the growth on the tongue, (looks like hairy tongue to me but with to yellow in color). Don't know what to do. They gave him a 800mg antibiotic, I wonder if a GI may be needed to take a look?0 -
Food bornsweetblood22 said:Huh. That's a new one on
Huh. That's a new one on me. I've never heard of it and I have been food safety certified three times and have learned about a lot of bacteria and food Bourne illness.
Not sure where this came from? Thought it was the thrush all this time and it has been a bacterial infection that is normally found in the digestive tract. Poor thing still can't swallow well, throat is swollen and mouth is like glue, hard for him to even drink his water...Prayers please...0 -
klebsiella pneumoniaeterryscarlett said:Pork
No he is still on the feeding tube, doc's have been treating him for thrush for months now and nothing seemed to help with the growth on the tongue, (looks like hairy tongue to me but with to yellow in color). Don't know what to do. They gave him a 800mg antibiotic, I wonder if a GI may be needed to take a look?
Terryscarlett, this is a bacteria often found in the digestive tract, of which the mouth is a part.
It co-exists peacefully unless it finds a weakened host, as any cancer patient is. Like many pneumonia bacterias, this is community-acquired, meaning that it is transmitted in health-care settings such as hospitals, clinics or nursing homes. Your husband is probably not the only case in your area at this time.
Probably don't need a gastro specialist but from what I read your doctor should be watching to make sure this does not infiltrate his lungs, a possible occurrence.
All things being equal, an appropriate antibiotic should work.
Please bear in mind when considering your doctor's actions regarding what was presumed to be thrush that it is possible thrush could have co-existed with the klebsiella and treatment for thrush was likely appropriate. A physiologic imbalance occurs for either the klebsiella or the thrush to get a foothold in the body.
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ThanksNoellesmom said:klebsiella pneumoniae
Terryscarlett, this is a bacteria often found in the digestive tract, of which the mouth is a part.
It co-exists peacefully unless it finds a weakened host, as any cancer patient is. Like many pneumonia bacterias, this is community-acquired, meaning that it is transmitted in health-care settings such as hospitals, clinics or nursing homes. Your husband is probably not the only case in your area at this time.
Probably don't need a gastro specialist but from what I read your doctor should be watching to make sure this does not infiltrate his lungs, a possible occurrence.
All things being equal, an appropriate antibiotic should work.
Please bear in mind when considering your doctor's actions regarding what was presumed to be thrush that it is possible thrush could have co-existed with the klebsiella and treatment for thrush was likely appropriate. A physiologic imbalance occurs for either the klebsiella or the thrush to get a foothold in the body.
Hugs.
for the insight. He is on a strong antibiotic now day 3 of 10. It is looking just a tad bit better, the yellow color is giving way to a white and "pink". I am praying this med will cure him. I do thank everyone for there input, it means so much to us. Happy New Year everybody..0 -
finallyterryscarlett said:Thanks
for the insight. He is on a strong antibiotic now day 3 of 10. It is looking just a tad bit better, the yellow color is giving way to a white and "pink". I am praying this med will cure him. I do thank everyone for there input, it means so much to us. Happy New Year everybody..
they have given David some oral antibiotic that he swishes around in his mouth for 5 minutes 4 tiimes a day. It seems to be working, the pink color is coming back, and the taste buds that were growing really long and matted together are looking better. We went to 3 different Doctors and none of them had ever heard of this bacteria growing in the mouth. I made him go back to Ent, to get him to put David in the hospital,(as what I researched shows that it can get into the lungs,and blood and be fatal) The ENT recommended trying this antibiotic before we do the hospital, and he would recommend an infectious disease speacialist if it comes to going into the hospital, we go back to him in the morning (Monday) and will do another culture. The doc did culture of his blood and xrayed his lungs Wednesday and all is normal right now! (thank God) He has been on the liquid antibiotic since friday afternoon with great improvement this morning (Sunday).
This has been in his mouth for months now, and all the docs thought it was thrush and had been treating him with fungal meds, nothing worked and they finally did a culture and we have gotten to this point. This bacteria is a digestive bacteria and no one has ever heard of it being the mouth. So I wanted to share this info in case anyone else runs into this problem, ask for a culture to be sure what you are dealing with. I am so thankful it is looking better, maybe he can try to eat now. His symptoms were very thick mucos, swollen feeling in the throat, and tongue felt like it had glue on it and looked like hairy tongue without the black color more of a lite yellow color with matted hair. He was unable to eat orally because of the glue like stuff, Thank God he has the feeding tube it has been his lifeline. So please keep him in your prayers that this med is working and he has no recurance of this monster he has been fighting. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening. I will update when we know something more.
Terry0 -
improvementterryscarlett said:finally
they have given David some oral antibiotic that he swishes around in his mouth for 5 minutes 4 tiimes a day. It seems to be working, the pink color is coming back, and the taste buds that were growing really long and matted together are looking better. We went to 3 different Doctors and none of them had ever heard of this bacteria growing in the mouth. I made him go back to Ent, to get him to put David in the hospital,(as what I researched shows that it can get into the lungs,and blood and be fatal) The ENT recommended trying this antibiotic before we do the hospital, and he would recommend an infectious disease speacialist if it comes to going into the hospital, we go back to him in the morning (Monday) and will do another culture. The doc did culture of his blood and xrayed his lungs Wednesday and all is normal right now! (thank God) He has been on the liquid antibiotic since friday afternoon with great improvement this morning (Sunday).
This has been in his mouth for months now, and all the docs thought it was thrush and had been treating him with fungal meds, nothing worked and they finally did a culture and we have gotten to this point. This bacteria is a digestive bacteria and no one has ever heard of it being the mouth. So I wanted to share this info in case anyone else runs into this problem, ask for a culture to be sure what you are dealing with. I am so thankful it is looking better, maybe he can try to eat now. His symptoms were very thick mucos, swollen feeling in the throat, and tongue felt like it had glue on it and looked like hairy tongue without the black color more of a lite yellow color with matted hair. He was unable to eat orally because of the glue like stuff, Thank God he has the feeding tube it has been his lifeline. So please keep him in your prayers that this med is working and he has no recurance of this monster he has been fighting. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening. I will update when we know something more.
Terry
So good to hear about the improvement, Terry.
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DiagnosisNoellesmom said:improvement
So good to hear about the improvement, Terry.
That is just terrific news!
Hi Noellesmom, good call, you get the honorary "House" award for elegant and well-phrased diagnosis. I wish these organs and systems would stay where common sense dictates they ought to be. My BOT cancer was, like most, found in epithelial cells, which should stay on your skin, and not wrap around the inside of your mouth and tongue. Thanks for thinking and contributing.
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Terry I am glad David isHal61 said:Diagnosis
Hi Noellesmom, good call, you get the honorary "House" award for elegant and well-phrased diagnosis. I wish these organs and systems would stay where common sense dictates they ought to be. My BOT cancer was, like most, found in epithelial cells, which should stay on your skin, and not wrap around the inside of your mouth and tongue. Thanks for thinking and contributing.
Hal
Terry I am glad David is getting some relief finally. Yes, as much as I hated that PEG tube I also thanked God for it. I have to say tho, that every time I see this post I think it's going to be a recipe for kielbasa.
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LOLsweetblood22 said:Terry I am glad David is
Terry I am glad David is getting some relief finally. Yes, as much as I hated that PEG tube I also thanked God for it. I have to say tho, that every time I see this post I think it's going to be a recipe for kielbasa.
I'm a food obsessed dyslexic.
Hahaha ....sweetblood if I find a good recipe I will send it you'r way..
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Can I have it toNoellesmom said:klebsiella pneumoniae
Terryscarlett, this is a bacteria often found in the digestive tract, of which the mouth is a part.
It co-exists peacefully unless it finds a weakened host, as any cancer patient is. Like many pneumonia bacterias, this is community-acquired, meaning that it is transmitted in health-care settings such as hospitals, clinics or nursing homes. Your husband is probably not the only case in your area at this time.
Probably don't need a gastro specialist but from what I read your doctor should be watching to make sure this does not infiltrate his lungs, a possible occurrence.
All things being equal, an appropriate antibiotic should work.
Please bear in mind when considering your doctor's actions regarding what was presumed to be thrush that it is possible thrush could have co-existed with the klebsiella and treatment for thrush was likely appropriate. A physiologic imbalance occurs for either the klebsiella or the thrush to get a foothold in the body.
Hugs.
Just wonder if I may be infected also? How did you learn so much about it. I researched online. Not sure if I need to be tested for it? Thanks for your help!
Terry0 -
Good recipe.terryscarlett said:LOL
Hahaha ....sweetblood if I find a good recipe I will send it you'r way..
Thanks to everyone here for the info and prayers. Always appreciated
Thanks anyway sweetie but I wouldn't be able to swallow it anyway. I have tried a couple times and cannot. Maybe that's why I want it so badly. Lol. I'll just go back to developing my aduki bean stew recipe now... But what I'm really craving is polish sausage. ;-)0 -
is this one for me, terry?terryscarlett said:Can I have it to
Just wonder if I may be infected also? How did you learn so much about it. I researched online. Not sure if I need to be tested for it? Thanks for your help!
Terry
I think it would be a good idea to mention to mention it to the doctor your see for the kidney infection you might have. Could be you just have cystitis, too.
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thanks, HalHal61 said:Diagnosis
Hi Noellesmom, good call, you get the honorary "House" award for elegant and well-phrased diagnosis. I wish these organs and systems would stay where common sense dictates they ought to be. My BOT cancer was, like most, found in epithelial cells, which should stay on your skin, and not wrap around the inside of your mouth and tongue. Thanks for thinking and contributing.
Hal
I know just enough to be dangerous...for the doctors, that is0
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