MY TIME AT COMMMONWEAL CANCER HELP PROGRAM IN BOLINAS, CA
back from a week at commonweal, and it was truly amazing; too spiritual for my taste, but not offensive, and i could take what i wanted from it. no one was pushing anything, it's just their strong bent. i, for one, will never, ever experience cancer as a "gift", but maybe others have done, or do now.
to give you an idea of my days there: wakened by our "house mother" at 7:15 am (all 9 of us had our own rooms in what was once a hotel, now renovated, and very nice). quick shower so we could walk across the property (about 12 minutes) to the yoga studio, where we did light yoga, breathing and stretching, and deep relaxation for 2 hours. then back to our house for a fabulous, nutritious, healthy breakfast. then off again to group therapy in another building for another two hours. then lunch, another great meal. after lunch we either had massages, an individual consult with a therapist, a sandtray session or a meeting with one of the founders, michael lerner. of the nine women in our group, two were caregivers, and the rest of us were in various stages of struggling with cancer, although many were doing quite well, thankfully.
then dinner, again delicious and health, mostly vegetarian except for some fish, and after dinner a discussion of various topics including death and dying. very instructive. the one point i learned, though a little late for most of us, was that most errors are made re: our first pathology reports. we were counseled strongly to get second opinions on those, especially if there were any question or ambiguity about it. i met with the exec director, not a doctor, but extremely knowledgeable about treatment, who had access to medical data bases the rest of us mere mortals do not. she did some research for me, and recommended that i have my tumor markers checked, even at this late date, especially for overexpression of her 2, which has been written about here. also gave me names of two prominent physicians in the bay area at ucsf who do research in uspc. once i get the results of my ct/pet scans at the end of this month, when i meet with my doctor and go over treatment options for recurrence, i'll probably make an appointment with one of the recommended doctors.. my doctor ordered the tumor markers for me so i'll know a lot more at the end of the year. the director is still waiting to hear back from a gynonc she thinks highly of, for more recommendations for second opinions re: treatment. she went way above and beyond the call of duty. in fact, all the staff did. i have to say i've never felt so well cared for ever. and jena felt the same.
the greatest value, however, were the group sessions, not only what we learned from each other and the therapist/facilitator and what we were able to say to one another about how we feel (not just about cancer), but the incredible bonding that occurred amongst us. such an unlikely mix of 9 women, about as different from one another as you can imagine. most of these women will continue to be in our lives, and will be in contact by email, phone and in person when possible. i have to say that warm relationships are, i believe, the most healing aspects of our lives.
the week feels like a dream--where everything is taken care of for you. even had a private consult with rebecca katz, the author of the anti-cancer kitchen, who drew up a customized diet for jena and me, healthy and delicious. she was great. the only problem in general was there was not quite enough free time to just hang out, take walks on the gorgeous grounds overlooking the pacific ocean. there was quite a lot of rushing from one activity to another, because there was so much ground to cover. also had a group meeting for a couple of hours about how to create a sacred space for oneself, both in our homes, and inside of us.
the group sessions were filled with laughter, which would not have been possible without the wrenching, tear-filled work we all did together. the sessions were structured and some not, but mostly some ritual/ ceremony something to get us started. the staff were there every step of the way to make our lives more comfortable in any way. everyone was genuinely kind and knowledgeable, and casual conversations at meals with staff often yielded important information.
mostly commonweal is about healing and hope, not optomism or cure. they emphasized getting rid of as much stress and clutter in our lives as is possible. both jena and i came home feeling much more of an inner calm about whatever may lie ahead. hope it lasts. i wish everyone dealing with cancer could have this experience. many of the staff, you won't be surprised to learn, have dealt with cancer in their own lives, and know whereof they speak.
there is so much more i could say, but i'll end here, and if anyone has any specific questions, etc., please let me know, and i'll try to answer them.
sisterhood,
maggie
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Thanks, Maggie. It seems that you and Jena had quite an amazing week. As I read your posting, I couldn't help but think of an experience I had some 36 years ago. My then husband and I came back from a structured "marriage" weekend and just couldn't find the words to express to others who had not experienced this type of weekend how we felt and what we walked away with. I'm wondering if this is partly what you and Jena are experiencing now.
To be so taken care of...body, mind and spirit...must have been remarkable!
Enjoy the afterglow of your week...and, thanks again, for sharing some of your experiences.
Peace and hope, JJ0 -
Maggie, sounds incredible! Thanks so much for the recap. The one thing that stands out so much is keeping stress levels down. This is something I've been wrestling w/ in my mind. My gut says it is very important. The cultural message is one of minimization. Thank you for this and all the other details. Very informative. I'm glad you got something good out of it. And thank you so much for sharing.
llight0 -
Commonweal Experience
Maggie,
It sounds like you had a very fulfilling experience. It is interesting to see how bonded we can become with other women who are fighting cancer or working on surviving. I would like to hear more about the nutrition advice you got. I will see if I can find information from Rebecca Katz. Know that I am praying for you and all the sisters. Thanks for sharing or experience.
Blessings,
Lori0 -
llight and loriNorthwoodsgirl said:Commonweal Experience
Maggie,
It sounds like you had a very fulfilling experience. It is interesting to see how bonded we can become with other women who are fighting cancer or working on surviving. I would like to hear more about the nutrition advice you got. I will see if I can find information from Rebecca Katz. Know that I am praying for you and all the sisters. Thanks for sharing or experience.
Blessings,
Lori
NO STRESS! IT'S THE WORST THING FOR US. it's so hard to accomplish however, given our lives. still, even in the couple of days i've been home, i've managed to let people know who i started to feel stressed by (my adult children!), that they had to calm down, etc. around me. they get it.
some of the specific foods katz recommended to us, given our tastes, were cashew and almond butter on apples, no fruit juices, whole fruits ok, no braggs, no agave nector, very little soy, sweet potatoes ok, crab ok, salmon and black cod better, two brazil nuts a day!, natural living foods, farm fresh eggs, sea salt--fleur de lys (sp), almond mylk (spelled that way), green tea with lemon, older wine, coconut milk, pumpkin curry, yellow thai curry sauce, thai coconut soup, fermented miso, a little tofu, raw sprouted almonds--are a few. mostly we knew what not to eat, and what we could eat. she added to our repetoire. she said a microplaner (about $12) which is a zester, is a must. also said if we could afford it, a vitamix, no processed soy sauce, tamari soy sauce instead, dark fruit, blue/black best, a little maple syrup, a little honey.
hope this is helpful,
sisterhood,
maggie0 -
Sounds soooo good, just a perfect time, AT the perfect time...maggie_wilson said:llight and lori
NO STRESS! IT'S THE WORST THING FOR US. it's so hard to accomplish however, given our lives. still, even in the couple of days i've been home, i've managed to let people know who i started to feel stressed by (my adult children!), that they had to calm down, etc. around me. they get it.
some of the specific foods katz recommended to us, given our tastes, were cashew and almond butter on apples, no fruit juices, whole fruits ok, no braggs, no agave nector, very little soy, sweet potatoes ok, crab ok, salmon and black cod better, two brazil nuts a day!, natural living foods, farm fresh eggs, sea salt--fleur de lys (sp), almond mylk (spelled that way), green tea with lemon, older wine, coconut milk, pumpkin curry, yellow thai curry sauce, thai coconut soup, fermented miso, a little tofu, raw sprouted almonds--are a few. mostly we knew what not to eat, and what we could eat. she added to our repetoire. she said a microplaner (about $12) which is a zester, is a must. also said if we could afford it, a vitamix, no processed soy sauce, tamari soy sauce instead, dark fruit, blue/black best, a little maple syrup, a little honey.
hope this is helpful,
sisterhood,
maggie
I can hear your new peace, Maggie, although your decision to go there affirms that you were well on your way to coming to terms with your journey even before you left. I'm so glad that you did this. It really sounds like such a wonderful experience!
I like the recommendation for HER2 testing; so MANY UPSC cancers are HER2 positive and that opens up Herceptin as a targeted therapy. (My assay showed I am HER2 negative, but I got the impression that this was not typical of UPSC.)
So "no agave nector" means margueritas are out??! HA!0 -
Maggie it sounds like a great experiencemaggie_wilson said:llight and lori
NO STRESS! IT'S THE WORST THING FOR US. it's so hard to accomplish however, given our lives. still, even in the couple of days i've been home, i've managed to let people know who i started to feel stressed by (my adult children!), that they had to calm down, etc. around me. they get it.
some of the specific foods katz recommended to us, given our tastes, were cashew and almond butter on apples, no fruit juices, whole fruits ok, no braggs, no agave nector, very little soy, sweet potatoes ok, crab ok, salmon and black cod better, two brazil nuts a day!, natural living foods, farm fresh eggs, sea salt--fleur de lys (sp), almond mylk (spelled that way), green tea with lemon, older wine, coconut milk, pumpkin curry, yellow thai curry sauce, thai coconut soup, fermented miso, a little tofu, raw sprouted almonds--are a few. mostly we knew what not to eat, and what we could eat. she added to our repetoire. she said a microplaner (about $12) which is a zester, is a must. also said if we could afford it, a vitamix, no processed soy sauce, tamari soy sauce instead, dark fruit, blue/black best, a little maple syrup, a little honey.
hope this is helpful,
sisterhood,
maggie
Thanks for the detailed update. It sounds like a very enjoyable experience. Glad you benefited in Mind, body and soul. I too wish we could all experience it. Good luck with your food choices and reducing your stress. Glad you met so many wonderful women. In peace and caring.0 -
A GREAT update, Maggie!maggie_wilson said:llight and lori
NO STRESS! IT'S THE WORST THING FOR US. it's so hard to accomplish however, given our lives. still, even in the couple of days i've been home, i've managed to let people know who i started to feel stressed by (my adult children!), that they had to calm down, etc. around me. they get it.
some of the specific foods katz recommended to us, given our tastes, were cashew and almond butter on apples, no fruit juices, whole fruits ok, no braggs, no agave nector, very little soy, sweet potatoes ok, crab ok, salmon and black cod better, two brazil nuts a day!, natural living foods, farm fresh eggs, sea salt--fleur de lys (sp), almond mylk (spelled that way), green tea with lemon, older wine, coconut milk, pumpkin curry, yellow thai curry sauce, thai coconut soup, fermented miso, a little tofu, raw sprouted almonds--are a few. mostly we knew what not to eat, and what we could eat. she added to our repetoire. she said a microplaner (about $12) which is a zester, is a must. also said if we could afford it, a vitamix, no processed soy sauce, tamari soy sauce instead, dark fruit, blue/black best, a little maple syrup, a little honey.
hope this is helpful,
sisterhood,
maggie
Maggie, I have been anxiously awaiting your update from your week at Commonweal. It sounds like it was a wonderful experience. A very intensive session but also very rewarding and supportive. Your schedule did sound very busy!! It takes a great deal of courage to do the soul searching that is needed in a session like this, and I applaud you for your honesty and openness.
The nutrition info was fascinating. I need to check out Rebecca Katz’s book again from the library But to have a private consultation….that is very cool! I MUST ask….how is Almond Mylk different from Almond Milk? I am very curious! Does mylk mean than you made it yourself, rather than purchasing it? Also, I had not heard about the value of Brazil nuts…will have to do more reading!
You have done a wonderful job summarizing the experience and I bet as a result, others on this discussion group may some day attend a Commonweal experience. I am sure that every day you remember more things that you learned and am glad to hear that you are working on ways to reduce your stress. I am a big believer in the role stress plays in our lives and agree that we need to make every effort to reduce stress….relax, laugh, live and love!!
Welcome back and thanks for so generously sharing your experience.
Karen0 -
Wow!kkstef said:A GREAT update, Maggie!
Maggie, I have been anxiously awaiting your update from your week at Commonweal. It sounds like it was a wonderful experience. A very intensive session but also very rewarding and supportive. Your schedule did sound very busy!! It takes a great deal of courage to do the soul searching that is needed in a session like this, and I applaud you for your honesty and openness.
The nutrition info was fascinating. I need to check out Rebecca Katz’s book again from the library But to have a private consultation….that is very cool! I MUST ask….how is Almond Mylk different from Almond Milk? I am very curious! Does mylk mean than you made it yourself, rather than purchasing it? Also, I had not heard about the value of Brazil nuts…will have to do more reading!
You have done a wonderful job summarizing the experience and I bet as a result, others on this discussion group may some day attend a Commonweal experience. I am sure that every day you remember more things that you learned and am glad to hear that you are working on ways to reduce your stress. I am a big believer in the role stress plays in our lives and agree that we need to make every effort to reduce stress….relax, laugh, live and love!!
Welcome back and thanks for so generously sharing your experience.
Karen
I've always dreamed of a nice spot to sit and be pampered and also learn. This sounds like where you were. Wouldn't it be nice if we had this dream for each day of our lives. I could get into it, except need more down time, but understand they have a "packed" schedule and must get everything in.
I love the listing of "good foods" as many I've read or heard from others are good as well.
Thanks again for relaying to us, as it's very helpful and I'll walk away with many of your suggestions learned.
Jan0 -
Thanks Maggiejazzy1 said:Wow!
I've always dreamed of a nice spot to sit and be pampered and also learn. This sounds like where you were. Wouldn't it be nice if we had this dream for each day of our lives. I could get into it, except need more down time, but understand they have a "packed" schedule and must get everything in.
I love the listing of "good foods" as many I've read or heard from others are good as well.
Thanks again for relaying to us, as it's very helpful and I'll walk away with many of your suggestions learned.
Jan
Wonderful experience! Thanks for all the info. I will be interested to here about your follow up medical appointments.
The list of foods was interesting. Again good info. I liked your emphasis on eliminating stress and CLUTTER - I am working on this big time. Clutter prevents the chi from flowing in our homes per feng shui. My chi is clogged - big time. But I'm making progress and, I guess, that's worth something.
Continue to keep us posted. Thanks again. Mary Ann0 -
karenkkstef said:A GREAT update, Maggie!
Maggie, I have been anxiously awaiting your update from your week at Commonweal. It sounds like it was a wonderful experience. A very intensive session but also very rewarding and supportive. Your schedule did sound very busy!! It takes a great deal of courage to do the soul searching that is needed in a session like this, and I applaud you for your honesty and openness.
The nutrition info was fascinating. I need to check out Rebecca Katz’s book again from the library But to have a private consultation….that is very cool! I MUST ask….how is Almond Mylk different from Almond Milk? I am very curious! Does mylk mean than you made it yourself, rather than purchasing it? Also, I had not heard about the value of Brazil nuts…will have to do more reading!
You have done a wonderful job summarizing the experience and I bet as a result, others on this discussion group may some day attend a Commonweal experience. I am sure that every day you remember more things that you learned and am glad to hear that you are working on ways to reduce your stress. I am a big believer in the role stress plays in our lives and agree that we need to make every effort to reduce stress….relax, laugh, live and love!!
Welcome back and thanks for so generously sharing your experience.
Karen
the almond mylk is a product one can buy, it's not home made, but we did learn how to make it if we wanted. so, it's just a brand name, and not different from what you can buy called almond milk, or hemp milk, etc. it was the one katz recommended, so we got it. not bad.
katz was very cool, never met anyone so energetic. forgot to mention that sadja (sp) greenwood (noted author and gyn doc) was also consulting, but we missed out on her because she and katz were running over time, and sadja had to leave before our turn. she is the author of "menopause naturally," an excellent book i got at the time i went into menopause. it was a little disappointing not to meet with her, but given how much we did get, we were fine to just have rebecca katz.
the commonweal director just emailed me the name recommended to her from her gynonc friend. he's at standford and i emailed him yesterday to ask if he were an appropriate choice for a second opinion (i gave him a little background on my situation), he emailed me that evening and gave me his first available time in early january, so i'm making an appointment with him. he sounded great, will still follow up on the other two, can't have too many second opinions.....
sisterhood,
maggie0 -
almond milkmaggie_wilson said:karen
the almond mylk is a product one can buy, it's not home made, but we did learn how to make it if we wanted. so, it's just a brand name, and not different from what you can buy called almond milk, or hemp milk, etc. it was the one katz recommended, so we got it. not bad.
katz was very cool, never met anyone so energetic. forgot to mention that sadja (sp) greenwood (noted author and gyn doc) was also consulting, but we missed out on her because she and katz were running over time, and sadja had to leave before our turn. she is the author of "menopause naturally," an excellent book i got at the time i went into menopause. it was a little disappointing not to meet with her, but given how much we did get, we were fine to just have rebecca katz.
the commonweal director just emailed me the name recommended to her from her gynonc friend. he's at standford and i emailed him yesterday to ask if he were an appropriate choice for a second opinion (i gave him a little background on my situation), he emailed me that evening and gave me his first available time in early january, so i'm making an appointment with him. he sounded great, will still follow up on the other two, can't have too many second opinions.....
sisterhood,
maggie
Maggie, I bought this several months ago and then read that it had cane sugar in it. Did they talk about this and can you purchase almond milk without sugar?? Soy milk can be purchased with or without. I would think that the cane sugar would be a no-no.
Mary Ann0 -
More re: almond milkmaggie_wilson said:karen
the almond mylk is a product one can buy, it's not home made, but we did learn how to make it if we wanted. so, it's just a brand name, and not different from what you can buy called almond milk, or hemp milk, etc. it was the one katz recommended, so we got it. not bad.
katz was very cool, never met anyone so energetic. forgot to mention that sadja (sp) greenwood (noted author and gyn doc) was also consulting, but we missed out on her because she and katz were running over time, and sadja had to leave before our turn. she is the author of "menopause naturally," an excellent book i got at the time i went into menopause. it was a little disappointing not to meet with her, but given how much we did get, we were fine to just have rebecca katz.
the commonweal director just emailed me the name recommended to her from her gynonc friend. he's at standford and i emailed him yesterday to ask if he were an appropriate choice for a second opinion (i gave him a little background on my situation), he emailed me that evening and gave me his first available time in early january, so i'm making an appointment with him. he sounded great, will still follow up on the other two, can't have too many second opinions.....
sisterhood,
maggie
Maggie thanks for your response. I have not seen that brand of Almond Mylk but will look for it.
Mary Ann, I also tried some almond milk from Whole Foods and found it tasty but when I looked at the sugar content I was stunned. Figured that couldn't be good.
I have have done some googling and it appears rather easy to make. Plus I did read that their are commercial brands that are "unsweetened" so maybe we just need to look more. I found this to be an interesting web site and a VERY easy recipe to make your own. Was curious as to how this recipe differs from the one Rebecca Katz gave you, Maggie.
http://www.choosingraw.com/raw-101-homemade-almond-milk/
Maggie, how exciting to get such a fast response from the oncologist for a second opinion. That is VERY exciting! Please know that I am sending you lots of positive energy so you can be confident in your plan to beat this monster. And I am total agreement with you that I never found the diagnosis of Cancer to be a GIFT! No way!!
Best wishes always!
Karen0 -
almond milkdaisy366 said:almond milk
Maggie, I bought this several months ago and then read that it had cane sugar in it. Did they talk about this and can you purchase almond milk without sugar?? Soy milk can be purchased with or without. I would think that the cane sugar would be a no-no.
Mary Ann
geeze, never even looked at the ingredients of almond mylk. usually i use another unsweetened almond milk, with no sugar content, so think i'll stick with that. actually like it better anyway. will find the bottle of almond mylk and see what's listed.
thanx,
maggie0 -
It's Never Easy!maggie_wilson said:almond milk
geeze, never even looked at the ingredients of almond mylk. usually i use another unsweetened almond milk, with no sugar content, so think i'll stick with that. actually like it better anyway. will find the bottle of almond mylk and see what's listed.
thanx,
maggie
Maggie....things get complicated some times, don't they?
I just found another site re: Almond milk/unsweetened options that might be helpful. I will read more labels!
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1734098/three_almond_milk_brands_to_buy_pg2.html?cat=22
I'm with you....GEEEEZ!!
Karen0 -
It's Never Easy!maggie_wilson said:almond milk
geeze, never even looked at the ingredients of almond mylk. usually i use another unsweetened almond milk, with no sugar content, so think i'll stick with that. actually like it better anyway. will find the bottle of almond mylk and see what's listed.
thanx,
maggie
OOPs....double post!0 -
easy living foods almond mylkkkstef said:More re: almond milk
Maggie thanks for your response. I have not seen that brand of Almond Mylk but will look for it.
Mary Ann, I also tried some almond milk from Whole Foods and found it tasty but when I looked at the sugar content I was stunned. Figured that couldn't be good.
I have have done some googling and it appears rather easy to make. Plus I did read that their are commercial brands that are "unsweetened" so maybe we just need to look more. I found this to be an interesting web site and a VERY easy recipe to make your own. Was curious as to how this recipe differs from the one Rebecca Katz gave you, Maggie.
http://www.choosingraw.com/raw-101-homemade-almond-milk/
Maggie, how exciting to get such a fast response from the oncologist for a second opinion. That is VERY exciting! Please know that I am sending you lots of positive energy so you can be confident in your plan to beat this monster. And I am total agreement with you that I never found the diagnosis of Cancer to be a GIFT! No way!!
Best wishes always!
Karen
dear all ,
the almond mylk i have is UNSWEETENED. it may also come with cane sugar, but this one is free of all sugar. it was hard to believe katz would recommend anything with sugar in it. so easy living foods is the brand, and almond mylk is the product. so, no worries re: unsweetend mylk. i still prefer my other brand, pacific natural foods, almond milk.
sisterhood,
maggie0 -
Almond Milkmaggie_wilson said:easy living foods almond mylk
dear all ,
the almond mylk i have is UNSWEETENED. it may also come with cane sugar, but this one is free of all sugar. it was hard to believe katz would recommend anything with sugar in it. so easy living foods is the brand, and almond mylk is the product. so, no worries re: unsweetend mylk. i still prefer my other brand, pacific natural foods, almond milk.
sisterhood,
maggie
I've been drinking this for a few months now, replacing good old milk. I purchase "unsweetened" at Walmart of all places. Not seen the Mylk line, but will check at possibly Whole Foods or Trade Joe's.
Mary Ann, I'd say to stay away from cane sugar, as I've learned thru my nutritionist. But...nice to see what Maggie suggests from her past event.
Noticed Maggie found no fruit juices, which is what I found as well. I eat lots of fresh fruits as all the seeds and whites of skins are filled with good nutrients. Also drink Whey powder twice per day and mix it in my almond milk with cinnamon & flax seed powder (latter loaded with Omega 3)...yummie!
Thanks,
Jan0 -
Mylk?jazzy1 said:Almond Milk
I've been drinking this for a few months now, replacing good old milk. I purchase "unsweetened" at Walmart of all places. Not seen the Mylk line, but will check at possibly Whole Foods or Trade Joe's.
Mary Ann, I'd say to stay away from cane sugar, as I've learned thru my nutritionist. But...nice to see what Maggie suggests from her past event.
Noticed Maggie found no fruit juices, which is what I found as well. I eat lots of fresh fruits as all the seeds and whites of skins are filled with good nutrients. Also drink Whey powder twice per day and mix it in my almond milk with cinnamon & flax seed powder (latter loaded with Omega 3)...yummie!
Thanks,
Jan
I did some Google searches for this (not a brand name) --
mylk is used to represent the liquid made from nuts.
Also saw lots of recipes for making almond milk from scratch...basically use almonds and boiling water.
Enjoy ladies,
Jan0 -
Your experience sounds
Your experience sounds amazing! I wish my mom was open to something like this. Not sure if it would be better to send you a personal message but I'm curious to know what doctors you are referring to at ucsf. My mom is being treated there so it would be great to know that info. Also if you are looking for a second opinion regarding chemo etc I highly recommendd our medical oncologist. Let me know if you are interested in recommendations- id be happy to send you his info.
Kind regards,
Amanda0 -
amandaA1pena said:Your experience sounds
Your experience sounds amazing! I wish my mom was open to something like this. Not sure if it would be better to send you a personal message but I'm curious to know what doctors you are referring to at ucsf. My mom is being treated there so it would be great to know that info. Also if you are looking for a second opinion regarding chemo etc I highly recommendd our medical oncologist. Let me know if you are interested in recommendations- id be happy to send you his info.
Kind regards,
Amanda
no problem saying who the doctors are at u.c.s.f.: dr. john chan and dr. i chow hsu. i was also given a name of a doctor at stanford, who i think i'll be seeing in january. thanx for possible recommendations. would be interested in your medical oncologist's name, if that's ok.
sisterhood,
maggie0
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