Polyphenols in Red Wine and Green Tea Halt Prostate Cancer Growth, Study Suggests

bdhilton said:

For sure
My wife commented about two weeks ago that perhaps I was taking the wine thing a little to far...:-) and voiced this to my oncologist who in return told her I was not drinking enough wine....My oncologist talks to me about diet not the other way around...I hope the new generation of doctors are given more class room time on using diet in the treatment of illnesses....To our health!

VascodaGama said:

Are we promoting cancer growth ?
Jimmy

Your info helps a lot and so does your narration of events. I hope for your recovery and continuous excellent progress.
Your doctor’s thoughts about the effect of anti-oxidants by “…trying to keep cells from dying and do the same for the cancer cells that the radiation is trying to destroy…” may as well justify your chronology of biopsies. The worrisome will be if such “try” is behind the reason for cancer cells survival, when initially they are attacked by our immune system. It is like to say that if the genetic material of cancer cells existed since we were born (hereditary theory), anything that promotes survival is a “no no” to follow.

Are we promoting cancer growth when taking supplements?

I wish you the best.
Vgama

Beau2 said:

Promoting Cancer Growth
In his book, "Promoting Wellness, for Prosatae Cancer Patients", Dr. Moyad makes the case that a guy with PCa can take too much "multi-vitamin". A partial extract follows:

..... "It is possible that higher doses of these pills may feed prostate tumors. The real problem is that many men's multivitamin's contain too high a concentration of antioxidants. Taking a women's multivitamin without iron or simply a children's multivitamin several times a week, not to exceed one multivitamin pill a day, makes sense."....

VascodaGama said:

Are we promoting cancer growth ?
Jimmy

Your info helps a lot and so does your narration of events. I hope for your recovery and continuous excellent progress.
Your doctor’s thoughts about the effect of anti-oxidants by “…trying to keep cells from dying and do the same for the cancer cells that the radiation is trying to destroy…” may as well justify your chronology of biopsies. The worrisome will be if such “try” is behind the reason for cancer cells survival, when initially they are attacked by our immune system. It is like to say that if the genetic material of cancer cells existed since we were born (hereditary theory), anything that promotes survival is a “no no” to follow.

Are we promoting cancer growth when taking supplements?

I wish you the best.
Vgama

YTW said:

Supplements
Vgamma:

My mother died of breast cancer (spread to bones) at age 62. My dad smoked for about 25 years but quit on his 50th birthday. He was diagnosed with lung cancer at age 90 but did nothing about it and died at age 92. Go figure...My family doctor's dad died of PCa. Both he and my uro are of the same opinion and that is that everyone has cancer (rogue cells)but that their immune systems keep the Ca in check. Just their opinions which they
claim that they cannot prove. I started taking vitamin supplements C,E and multi just after my mom died. I was 28 years old at the time. I am not advising anyone to do this, just telling you what I did. BUT...I would deffinately NOT recommend taking anti-oxident
supplements while undergoing active treatment fot PCa. as I stated in my original post.

Jimmy/Cleveland

bdhilton said:

Amen to the balance diet
Amen to the balance diet etc…As some of you already know my ultimate goal is to limit most vitamins and supplements through diet (in my case primarily Mediterranean diet, no dairy, no red meat, fish….)

What I get out of all of this is that we should eat better quality food (less fat, less red meat, less salt, less sugar, less alcohol and more fruit, veggies, fish, nuts, whole grains, fiber and antioxidants) and exercise more for improved health, but I have found some interesting details.

Generally, a "healthy" diet is recommended for cancer patients in order to: 1) reduce the risk of chronic disease, 2) help to inhibit cancer growth, 3) enhance the immune system, 4) increase energy levels and 4) to facilitate recovery from cancer treatment.
The following were specifically recommended for a "Cancer Protective Diet" from UCSF:

1) 8-10 "colorful" fruit & veggie servings daily
2) 30-40 gms of fiber daily from beans/legumes & whole grains
3) Limit consumption of processed and refined foods (eg., white rice & bread)
4) Limit meat & daily products; avoid processed meats ( I eat wild cold water fish only)
5) Increase healthy fats (omega 3 fatty acids) from cold water fish, nuts, etc.)
6) Drink 1-4 cups of green tea daily (I also drink 8oz of Pomegranate juice the last 1.5 years)
7) Avoid or limit alcohol consumption (I drink 2-3 glass of wine frequently per instructions from oncologist)
8) Get tested for Vitamin D and take supplement as needed (up to 1-2gm daily)
9) Increase daily intake of antioxidant rich foods, which include lycopene, selenium & Vitamin E.
10) And, lastly, exercise at least 30-60 mins daily to achieve an acceptable BMI. (I exercise 90-120 minutes a day 5x week)
No real surprises here and no evidence that following these suggestions will "cure" or prevent reoccurrence of your cancer. However, it certainly can't hurt you and will definitely make you a healthier person.
So, there's no reason not to follow this diet, provided you can actually do all of the things suggested, which is really the question. Most people can't, even if they want to and I don't think I can either but I'll do what I can to eat as healthfully as I can and that's all any of us can expect to do, regardless of its effect on your cancer.

Best to all