Vegetarianism and cancer
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Jamón ibéricopepebcn said:my docs highly recommended me to follow our traditional
Mediterranean diet, just few months after my liver resection, it includes everything, meat,eggs, vegs, lots of blue fish,and of course lots of bread, olive oil,garlic spiced meals,cheese and of course ,"jamon iberico" ( search and look for it in google) and more olive oil,( we use it for everything ).
Mediterranean diet is considered the most healthy in the world ,and Mediterranen European countries, are the ones with higher life expectancy.
Actually l think Spain is the 2th country in the world in terms of life expectancy after Japan!
SO: eat everything but healthy !Eat meat but not in macdonalds, eat lots of fish but not in a fried fish place, eat cheese but not a cheese pizza!eat salad but not Cesar,s salad LOL.and above all!!! have lots of olive oil and blu fish!
Hugs!
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GregPGLGreg said:Jamón ibérico
Here is the Wikipedia entry for jamón ibérico: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamón_ibérico
did you read about cholesterol ? Amazing isn't, fat of pork that lowers cholesterol !
I suggest you try it ,if you can, with a glass of Rioja , Rivera del Duero, , or Priorat , very healthy too!.
LOL.
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question and thoughtspepebcn said:my docs highly recommended me to follow our traditional
Mediterranean diet, just few months after my liver resection, it includes everything, meat,eggs, vegs, lots of blue fish,and of course lots of bread, olive oil,garlic spiced meals,cheese and of course ,"jamon iberico" ( search and look for it in google) and more olive oil,( we use it for everything ).
Mediterranean diet is considered the most healthy in the world ,and Mediterranen European countries, are the ones with higher life expectancy.
Actually l think Spain is the 2th country in the world in terms of life expectancy after Japan!
SO: eat everything but healthy !Eat meat but not in macdonalds, eat lots of fish but not in a fried fish place, eat cheese but not a cheese pizza!eat salad but not Cesar,s salad LOL.and above all!!! have lots of olive oil and blu fish!
Hugs!
Pepe (or anyone else),
You mentioned "eat plenty of blue fish" as part of the Mediterranean diet. What specific types of fish fall under the blue fish category?
I know some people worry about getting mercury with eating fish. I suppose we should just be careful where the fish comes from & then maybe doing a heavy metal detox could be helpful every now and then. I am actually about to do one.
I am trying harder more recently to eat better, but it is still so hard when you have a husband who gets mad because I don't fix his "favorite" dinners anymore- he really does. BTW one of his favorite dinners is chili dogs (he actually got angry when I bought the "healthier" type of hot dogs, if there is such a thing- he wants me to always get the regular Oscar Meyer "weiners". At least they are now making some without any nitrates or nitrites, but I imagine they are still far from healthy. I try to juice and make some healthier meals for myself but the temptation to just eat the bad stuff is so strong, especially when it's more work to make separate meals and more kitchen mess. My husband thinks my healthy efforts are a waste of time since he's heard of people who eat healthy and still have gotten cancer- frustrating.
Emily makes a good point that gluten sensitivity may be a big factor for many with colon cancer, especially if they already were eating healthy before their diagnosis.
Krista, yes I really like your new picture. We really do need to get together soon. Let's talk soon.
Lisa0 -
Lisalisa42 said:question and thoughts
Pepe (or anyone else),
You mentioned "eat plenty of blue fish" as part of the Mediterranean diet. What specific types of fish fall under the blue fish category?
I know some people worry about getting mercury with eating fish. I suppose we should just be careful where the fish comes from & then maybe doing a heavy metal detox could be helpful every now and then. I am actually about to do one.
I am trying harder more recently to eat better, but it is still so hard when you have a husband who gets mad because I don't fix his "favorite" dinners anymore- he really does. BTW one of his favorite dinners is chili dogs (he actually got angry when I bought the "healthier" type of hot dogs, if there is such a thing- he wants me to always get the regular Oscar Meyer "weiners". At least they are now making some without any nitrates or nitrites, but I imagine they are still far from healthy. I try to juice and make some healthier meals for myself but the temptation to just eat the bad stuff is so strong, especially when it's more work to make separate meals and more kitchen mess. My husband thinks my healthy efforts are a waste of time since he's heard of people who eat healthy and still have gotten cancer- frustrating.
Emily makes a good point that gluten sensitivity may be a big factor for many with colon cancer, especially if they already were eating healthy before their diagnosis.
Krista, yes I really like your new picture. We really do need to get together soon. Let's talk soon.
Lisa
l can't post any link from my home as I'm on an iPad , but I will prepare you some links with suggestion about Mediterranean diet in a couple of days (tomorrow don't go to office as l will be plugged) ! Concerning blue fish mainly we got tuna, sardines and mackerel , this are the main Mediterranean blue fish, but others are good too as salmon, l know the concerns you the Americans got about food, despite that I'm sure any sardine is much more healthy that a burger or a hot dog despite I recognize they are delicious especially the ones I use to have in the corners of NYC!.One huge advantage here is that we keep the habit ( specially in France Spain and Italy the European southern countries) to go to the central markets were you got all fresh products every day, concerning to mercury or lead, well ,fishes are wild so difficult to control where they come from but doctors know it and highly recommend to eat fresh fish not only farm fish! (actually sardines and tuna must to be wild ). You know which are the highest life expectancy ?
look UN life expectancy ratios!.
Number1: japan.
Number6:spain.
You know which are the main consumers of fish in the world?.
Number1: japan.
Number 4:spain.
So......
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Chili dogs...lisa42 said:question and thoughts
Pepe (or anyone else),
You mentioned "eat plenty of blue fish" as part of the Mediterranean diet. What specific types of fish fall under the blue fish category?
I know some people worry about getting mercury with eating fish. I suppose we should just be careful where the fish comes from & then maybe doing a heavy metal detox could be helpful every now and then. I am actually about to do one.
I am trying harder more recently to eat better, but it is still so hard when you have a husband who gets mad because I don't fix his "favorite" dinners anymore- he really does. BTW one of his favorite dinners is chili dogs (he actually got angry when I bought the "healthier" type of hot dogs, if there is such a thing- he wants me to always get the regular Oscar Meyer "weiners". At least they are now making some without any nitrates or nitrites, but I imagine they are still far from healthy. I try to juice and make some healthier meals for myself but the temptation to just eat the bad stuff is so strong, especially when it's more work to make separate meals and more kitchen mess. My husband thinks my healthy efforts are a waste of time since he's heard of people who eat healthy and still have gotten cancer- frustrating.
Emily makes a good point that gluten sensitivity may be a big factor for many with colon cancer, especially if they already were eating healthy before their diagnosis.
Krista, yes I really like your new picture. We really do need to get together soon. Let's talk soon.
Lisa
Even the thought of a hot dog makes me gag. I've never been a hot dog lover, though.
Chili, I can eat, and still do, but I have to make it myself so I know what goes in there.
Lisa, I totally understand your husbands feelings though. I think Dave felt the same way after I was first diagnosed.
We sat and talked with my onc about diet one day. It's known that people who are vegetarian, those who are vegan, ocovegetarian get CRC. He brought this up and said nobody should really beat themselves up on how we got the cancer. We always look back and wonder what we did to ourselves that caused this. Not everything causes something else. Sometimes, he says, cancer just happens.
I'd love blame something, but I can't. I think it was just bad luck.
This is my opinion only, and in reality, we all know it means squat, but I think the key to eating is moderation. I've cut way down on my red meat consumption, but I highly doubt I'll ever give it up. I do love fish, seafood and chicken, and we eat a lot of it.0 -
Bad luckHollyID said:Chili dogs...
Even the thought of a hot dog makes me gag. I've never been a hot dog lover, though.
Chili, I can eat, and still do, but I have to make it myself so I know what goes in there.
Lisa, I totally understand your husbands feelings though. I think Dave felt the same way after I was first diagnosed.
We sat and talked with my onc about diet one day. It's known that people who are vegetarian, those who are vegan, ocovegetarian get CRC. He brought this up and said nobody should really beat themselves up on how we got the cancer. We always look back and wonder what we did to ourselves that caused this. Not everything causes something else. Sometimes, he says, cancer just happens.
I'd love blame something, but I can't. I think it was just bad luck.
This is my opinion only, and in reality, we all know it means squat, but I think the key to eating is moderation. I've cut way down on my red meat consumption, but I highly doubt I'll ever give it up. I do love fish, seafood and chicken, and we eat a lot of it.
Holly, you are right; that is exactly what my diagnosing surgeon said. I told him I have never had a cigarette in my life, drink very moderately, eat reasonably well, etc. He said "it is not your fault, you are just unlucky".0 -
quantity counts
If I were vegetarian or vegan, I would carefully consider the vitamin D3, DHA/EPA and B12 amounts. We can not count on our bodies to synthesize DHA from flax oil, an extremely inefficient process at the best, even when young and well nourished.
I think each person has to read and decide for themselves how much vitamin D3 is enough, with 4000 - 10,000 iu per day being advanced by the most involved medical researchers. The government bodies seem to have copped out again this year on changing their ridiculous 200-400-600 iu recommendations.
I have seen a number of posts in various places that indicate a substantial number of cancer posters are malabsorbers. RDA, a very political sop in many cases, simply can't cut it for malabsorbers. Not a chance.0 -
I have been a vegetarian my
I have been a vegetarian my entire life, pretty bad for someone who as a child hated veggies but I have gotten much better over the years and love most of them now. I do eat dairy and sweets which I know I NEED to cut out, I am overweight, have high BP and of course CC but I blew the doctors idea of eating red meats causes cancer.
My parents have been vegetarians for over 50 years, my dad is 86 and in better shape then many men half his age, he has dementia so his memory is getting bad but he basically gets around and does what he wants to do and he is also a cancer survivor. (pancreatic)
My mother is 81 and cured herself about 10 years ago from breast cancer by juicing and doing the Hallaluah diet. She is waiting now to see if her cancer has returned but says if it has shes not worried at all because she'll just do what she did before and knows it will work again. I don't have quite the faith in it that she has but it worked wonderful for her the last time, she had no treatments or surgeries at all.
My best friend of 46 years is also a vegetarian and a cancer survivor, she was rushed into emergency surgery when she was 20 and ended up with a full hysterectomy. She was a very healthy eater and thankfully has had no recurrance.
I admit I don't eat as healthy as I could or should but there are 4 examples of cancer not being caused by eating meat.
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