Treatments for Metastatic Rectal Cancer

Cooper503
Cooper503 Member Posts: 11
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
Hi my name is Liz. I am a 3 year survivor of metastatic rectal cancer. I was diagnosed stage 4 at 44 years old with no family history. I went through chemo and radiation prior to a rectal resection and have been on Folfiri every other week for the better part of the last 2-1/2 years. My last scan showed my liver mets are gone but my lung mets have progressed. My Oncologist is suggesting I change to Folfox. I have heard about some awful side effects that can sometimes be permanent. Has anyone showed good results on folfox with minimal side effects or how awful were the side effects. Folfiri was no picnic but I was able to work through it all and I thought I tolereated it pretty well. Help....I am not ready to die but I am afraid of new treatments.

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  • C Dixon
    C Dixon Member Posts: 201
    Surgery?
    Is surgery an option for you?

    Catherine
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
    C Dixon said:

    Surgery?
    Is surgery an option for you?

    Catherine

    l been 12 rounds of Folfox , side effects not far from
    fofiri where lm now! only neuropathy but manageable !
    No loose of hair! LOL.
  • lesvanb
    lesvanb Member Posts: 905
    Folfox
    Hi Liz and welcome to the board! Sorry you had to find us and glad you did plus congrats on your 3 yr survivorship!

    I was dx 5/08 with stage 4 rectal cancer; 1 met to liver and no family history as well. Been through radiation 28 tx xeloda/oxaliplatin 6/08, LAR 9/08, R hepatectomy 10/08, and then adjuvant chemo FOLFOX 10 tx 1/09-5/09. Glad to hear Folfiri was no picnic and you were able to work through it. I've been enjoying a chemo holiday since 5/09 but looks like chemo, likely Xeloda and maybe Folfiri is in my near future with the appearance of lung mets on my last scans. FOLFOX was no picnic for me either but I was able to work through it and had minimal side effects. Neuropathy never was greater than Grade 1 on feet (right after I ended chemo) and has been diminishing ever so slowly since. Now only on the bottoms of my feet with tingling sensations and diminished sensitivity. No balance issues now. Actually can be a bit more painful as it heals (little shooting pains). Never lost my hair. Gained weight (25 lbs) rather then lost it (slowly working at losing that now.) I had the jaw spasm, sensitivity to cold liquids though not bad, fingers touching cold car handle doors was awful (only did that once and it was winter in WY and it was around zero). Had to be careful while walking with a cold winter wind blowing (could make my eyes, lips etc feel cold and very stiff).

    I worked with my anthroposophical/internal med doc, naturopath and acupunturist to take supplements to diminish chemo side effects such as subcut mistletoe, and L-glutamine specifically for oxaliplatin side effects. My oncologist was aware and supportive though not familiar with the details. This Sloan-Kettering website was helpful for herbs and chemo drug interactions: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/11570.cfm

    Again welcome!
    Leslie
  • AnneCan
    AnneCan Member Posts: 3,673 Member
    Welcome Liz!
    Welcome to this fantastic forum; I hope you will find it helpful. I am currently on folfiri+ aavastin, but my last scan showed some prgression in my liver, so I may be switched to follfox + avastin. It is hard to switch treatments when you have tolerated one well, as you have, but I guess the cancer cells get used to one thing + need a switch every now + again. Good luck!
  • Crow71
    Crow71 Member Posts: 679 Member
    Hey Liz - Thanks for sharing
    Hey Liz - Thanks for sharing your story. Don't sweat the scary folfox stories. The stuff is nasty, but it obliterated my cancer. I had 12 treatments that ended last Feb. I had surgery in April. While I recovered from surgery, the cancer spread to my lungs and progressed in my liver. I've now had 2 treatments of folfori. You're right - It's no picnic. I hope I can "work through it" like you did.

    Don't be afraid of new treatments. The intensity of the neuropathy and cold sensitivity varies from person to person. It can be permanent, but for most folks it slowly fades away. I still have some neuropathy, but it is getting better.

    I like Catherine's question. Is surgery an option? If not - Why?

    Take care - Roger
  • Cooper503
    Cooper503 Member Posts: 11
    Crow71 said:

    Hey Liz - Thanks for sharing
    Hey Liz - Thanks for sharing your story. Don't sweat the scary folfox stories. The stuff is nasty, but it obliterated my cancer. I had 12 treatments that ended last Feb. I had surgery in April. While I recovered from surgery, the cancer spread to my lungs and progressed in my liver. I've now had 2 treatments of folfori. You're right - It's no picnic. I hope I can "work through it" like you did.

    Don't be afraid of new treatments. The intensity of the neuropathy and cold sensitivity varies from person to person. It can be permanent, but for most folks it slowly fades away. I still have some neuropathy, but it is getting better.

    I like Catherine's question. Is surgery an option? If not - Why?

    Take care - Roger

    Surgery no option
    Surgery is not an option per my oncologist as I have mets in the lower lobe of my right lung and the upper lobe of my left lung. She said too many for successful surgery. Plus they can't remove so much of my lungs. I am ok with that, I am just really nervous about the neuropathy as I type, use the phone and adding machine as part of my job and I live in WNY where the winters can sometimes be really cold. Thanks so much for adding to my board. This is new to me but I figured the best place to talk to people who have been or are going through what I am.
  • Cooper503
    Cooper503 Member Posts: 11
    lesvanb said:

    Folfox
    Hi Liz and welcome to the board! Sorry you had to find us and glad you did plus congrats on your 3 yr survivorship!

    I was dx 5/08 with stage 4 rectal cancer; 1 met to liver and no family history as well. Been through radiation 28 tx xeloda/oxaliplatin 6/08, LAR 9/08, R hepatectomy 10/08, and then adjuvant chemo FOLFOX 10 tx 1/09-5/09. Glad to hear Folfiri was no picnic and you were able to work through it. I've been enjoying a chemo holiday since 5/09 but looks like chemo, likely Xeloda and maybe Folfiri is in my near future with the appearance of lung mets on my last scans. FOLFOX was no picnic for me either but I was able to work through it and had minimal side effects. Neuropathy never was greater than Grade 1 on feet (right after I ended chemo) and has been diminishing ever so slowly since. Now only on the bottoms of my feet with tingling sensations and diminished sensitivity. No balance issues now. Actually can be a bit more painful as it heals (little shooting pains). Never lost my hair. Gained weight (25 lbs) rather then lost it (slowly working at losing that now.) I had the jaw spasm, sensitivity to cold liquids though not bad, fingers touching cold car handle doors was awful (only did that once and it was winter in WY and it was around zero). Had to be careful while walking with a cold winter wind blowing (could make my eyes, lips etc feel cold and very stiff).

    I worked with my anthroposophical/internal med doc, naturopath and acupunturist to take supplements to diminish chemo side effects such as subcut mistletoe, and L-glutamine specifically for oxaliplatin side effects. My oncologist was aware and supportive though not familiar with the details. This Sloan-Kettering website was helpful for herbs and chemo drug interactions: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/11570.cfm

    Again welcome!
    Leslie

    supplements
    Glad to hear that you had a doctor that encouraged supplements to combat the side effects. Mine doesn't seem to impressed by them. I am just workied about losing the ability to type, since I do alot of computer work, and use the phone and calculator alot at as well. Thanks for your response, this is new to me being on this website but again where better to go that to people who have been there themselves.
  • Cooper503
    Cooper503 Member Posts: 11
    AnneCan said:

    Welcome Liz!
    Welcome to this fantastic forum; I hope you will find it helpful. I am currently on folfiri+ aavastin, but my last scan showed some prgression in my liver, so I may be switched to follfox + avastin. It is hard to switch treatments when you have tolerated one well, as you have, but I guess the cancer cells get used to one thing + need a switch every now + again. Good luck!

    Folofx
    Looks like we may be experiencing the new treatment together. I find out for sure on Wednesday.
  • Cooper503
    Cooper503 Member Posts: 11
    pepebcn said:

    l been 12 rounds of Folfox , side effects not far from
    fofiri where lm now! only neuropathy but manageable !
    No loose of hair! LOL.

    Yeah, I had minimal hair
    Yeah, I had minimal hair loss at the beginning with Folfire but my last round which lasted 9 months I broke down and got a wig. I didn't like it but I managed. I guess that is one positive thing about folfox!
  • VivianGB
    VivianGB Member Posts: 46
    Cooper503 said:

    Surgery no option
    Surgery is not an option per my oncologist as I have mets in the lower lobe of my right lung and the upper lobe of my left lung. She said too many for successful surgery. Plus they can't remove so much of my lungs. I am ok with that, I am just really nervous about the neuropathy as I type, use the phone and adding machine as part of my job and I live in WNY where the winters can sometimes be really cold. Thanks so much for adding to my board. This is new to me but I figured the best place to talk to people who have been or are going through what I am.

    FOLFOX side effects
    Hi Liz,

    I'm new here too. I had 8 FOLFOX treatments out of 12 and finished with Xeloda. I don't have any neuropathy in my hands and very minimal in my feet. Feet only bother me when I've been standing all day, but no problem walking or anything. I didn't take any supplements, the only thing I did was wiggle my fingers and toes a lot LOL, really though, so it might have helped.

    The reason I didn't finish all 12 treatments was because #8 really kicked my butt. My throat swelled up and I could barely catch my breath. After that wore off (in about 10 minutes) I spent the next week in bed, couldn't eat couldn't drink couldn't keep the anti-nausea meds down even. Ended up at the hospital for a day getting fluids in an IV and that brought me back, but the doctor said that's enough Oxaliplatin. Up until then it wasn't too bad, just tired and taste buds were messed up. You will probably be just fine on FOLFOX, not many people have reactions like I did.

    Best of luck to you!!!

    Viv
  • lesvanb
    lesvanb Member Posts: 905
    Cooper503 said:

    supplements
    Glad to hear that you had a doctor that encouraged supplements to combat the side effects. Mine doesn't seem to impressed by them. I am just workied about losing the ability to type, since I do alot of computer work, and use the phone and calculator alot at as well. Thanks for your response, this is new to me being on this website but again where better to go that to people who have been there themselves.

    typing was not a problem for me
    the neuropathy stayed focused in my feet. Good luck!

    Leslie
  • Bear23
    Bear23 Member Posts: 84
    I, also, am Stage IV rectal
    I, also, am Stage IV rectal cancer. Diagnose at 42. I'm about 2 1/2 years out. Chemo/rad then LAR, FOLFOX x 12, mets to lungs, 5FU + Avastin which showed minimal growth, now Irinotecan and Vectibix. Folfox was hard for me. I did it over the winter in Maine, a cold winter. Had to cover my mouth with a scarf. Neuropathy in fingers and toes that has since gotten better. Low WBC so had to go on Neupogen. I was able to continue to work. I don't remember trouble with the computer. I always figure that I do what I have to do to survive. However, quality of life is important to me and my doctor. I am now looking for stable progression or shrinkage of the mets to my lungs. I too am not a candidate for surgery as I have mets in both lungs in variable places. It's ok to be afraid of new treatments. Realize that you can get through it and be okay. Good luck to you!

    Hugs
    Valerie
  • Buzzard
    Buzzard Member Posts: 3,043 Member
    Cooper503 said:

    Surgery no option
    Surgery is not an option per my oncologist as I have mets in the lower lobe of my right lung and the upper lobe of my left lung. She said too many for successful surgery. Plus they can't remove so much of my lungs. I am ok with that, I am just really nervous about the neuropathy as I type, use the phone and adding machine as part of my job and I live in WNY where the winters can sometimes be really cold. Thanks so much for adding to my board. This is new to me but I figured the best place to talk to people who have been or are going through what I am.

    Is your Oncologists the only one in practice.....
    I understand how getting to another opinion may be but do you not feel the need to look for another opinion somewhere in another state ? Its hard to justify what answer a question may get from an oncologist...I would let a Thoracic surgeon tell me I was inoperable, and if he/she did then I would have another tell me, and if he/she did then I might say well that is that, but not one the prognosis of 1 Oncologists.
  • taraHK
    taraHK Member Posts: 1,952 Member
    weird but OK
    Hi. I'm on Xeliri now but have had FOLFOX previously. The side effects can be weird -- and a little unpleasant. But, they vary from person to person. Mine was not too bad. I continued working. The peripheral neuropathy i had disappeared completely after I stopped the chemo. It is "do-able". And less hair loss!

    Tara
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member
    taraHK said:

    weird but OK
    Hi. I'm on Xeliri now but have had FOLFOX previously. The side effects can be weird -- and a little unpleasant. But, they vary from person to person. Mine was not too bad. I continued working. The peripheral neuropathy i had disappeared completely after I stopped the chemo. It is "do-able". And less hair loss!

    Tara

    Folfox, it was okay. I
    Folfox, it was okay. I worked through the whole thing and only started to feel REALLY RUN down that last couple MONTHS. I do have neuropathy to the feet and hands/arms.
  • Cooper503
    Cooper503 Member Posts: 11
    Nana b said:

    Folfox, it was okay. I
    Folfox, it was okay. I worked through the whole thing and only started to feel REALLY RUN down that last couple MONTHS. I do have neuropathy to the feet and hands/arms.

    First Folfox Treatment
    Hi Everyone,

    Thanks for all of your support and kind words. I did start on Folfox today and thank God I haven't had any awful side effects yet. I know it is only day one and I have many more treatments to go but for each day I get through with no problems I am greatful. Feel a little queasy but that is about it. Back for part two tomorrow. Will keep you posted.

    Liz
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member
    Cooper503 said:

    First Folfox Treatment
    Hi Everyone,

    Thanks for all of your support and kind words. I did start on Folfox today and thank God I haven't had any awful side effects yet. I know it is only day one and I have many more treatments to go but for each day I get through with no problems I am greatful. Feel a little queasy but that is about it. Back for part two tomorrow. Will keep you posted.

    Liz

    hope it works for you...
    Get something for the sores in the mouth that every is talking about, and you may ket...it's good to have it in the fridge anyhow...