The top cancer-causing products...

Very flaky science
The credibility of the statements made is marginal at best, and alarmist. Also, the report is from 1995 making it more than 15 years old.

Dead horse?


We keep beating this poor thing.

A cancer cell is just a normal cell, that instead of dying,
has managed to live on using the fermentation process.

It can't get instructions regarding how to act, so it just
lives on glucose and spits out lactic acid, and grows larger
and larger inside us.

Our immune system, for some reason doesn't see that cell
as being anything that doesn't belong inside us, so it ignores it.

Anything..... (Let me repeat that the way it was repeated to me
a few hundred times) ANYTHING can damage a cell. In fact,
they are now learning that cells that divide the way they usually
do, by splitting in half, with one half dying....sometimes live
on by that fermentation process..... that's cancer.

Anything can cause it, and sometimes there isn't a "cause".

But one thing always is the same: Our immune system is allowing
it to grow; other people's immune system will not allow it to grow.

That's why some people get cancer from smoking and drinking
and running around with promiscuous farm animals, and others don't.

Radiation damages cells, and harsh chemicals damages cells, yet
we welcome both in our fight against cancer, and try to avoid common
daily items that mean little if anything, in the whole scheme of things....

Kinda' odd, ehh?


(Well.... it is, in my world...)


Best thoughts to all....


John

nursesheri said:

Thanks John
Since my cancer isn't genetic, I kinda figured it must have been something I did or didn't do. Was it the time I spent in Desert Shield/Storm? Something I've been eating or drinking? Not exercising enough? You have eased my mind some that maybe it wasn't all my fault. Thank you so very much!!

Sheri

Sheri -
A quick read at these forums..........

Young Cancer Survivors

and:
Childhood Cancers

.................... may shake a bit of reality into things.

Cancer knows no bounds; it has no friends or enemies, it just
grows without reason.

It's just a cell that's trying to stay alive in spite of everything,
just as we are, really.... I don't think it wants to kill it's host,
since that would kill it, too. It's totally devoid of any direction,
and just trying to remain alive.

There's some speculation, that once the immune system senses
the chemicals that cancer cells expel when they die, the immune
system becomes sensitized to that chemical and begins to attack
the remaining cells.

I guess it's similar to how a vaccine works...(?). If that is
found to be true, then having a strong immune system after
a dose of chemo, or whatever one uses to kill cancer cells,
would be the best route to take. to eliminate the balance of
cancer cells that remain inside us.

Food for thought..... (White Castles for heavy thinkers)

Better health to youse.


John

The pendulum swings on
That's why I now have to take methotrexate to stop my immune system from killing me. Ron.

John23 said:

methotrexate


My wife had been taking that for over twenty years for her RA.

A Norweigian study is trying to prove that RA is from a virus,
and not from the immune system over-reacting.

If that proves correct, the methotrexate so often prescribed will
be proven to be the cause of the RA spreading, instead of allowing
the immune system to keep it confined to one spot...

So instead of just losing a few joints in the hand or foot, the
RA sufferer may have lost most of the entire body due to the
spread of RA....... thanks to medicine that was wrongly prescribed.

Our immune system was given to us to fight off anything that
will harm us; it is intrinsic to our very essence of life.....

Yet they try to stifle it when they can't figure out the real problem...

I really hate to see people suffer, when there's so many options
to what's presently being pushed on them.


Oh well.

Better health wishes....


John

I love the depth of these
I love the depth of these conversations!
I was just simply going to say then I guess I suck as a Mom for powdering my 3 girls behinds when they were babies!!!!

PhillieG said:

Lol
Aren't we all horrible people? To live in these times is certain death.
If only we had a "Way Back" machine... Although that would likely have to be powered by some form of nuclear energy (or solar energy) which would in turn give us skin cancer or plutonium poisoning!
CURSES!!!! Foiled again (but not aluminum foil because aluminum causes Alzheimer's...)

EXACTLY~~

EXACTLY~~

John23 said:

Sheri -
A quick read at these forums..........

Young Cancer Survivors

and:
Childhood Cancers

.................... may shake a bit of reality into things.

Cancer knows no bounds; it has no friends or enemies, it just
grows without reason.

It's just a cell that's trying to stay alive in spite of everything,
just as we are, really.... I don't think it wants to kill it's host,
since that would kill it, too. It's totally devoid of any direction,
and just trying to remain alive.

There's some speculation, that once the immune system senses
the chemicals that cancer cells expel when they die, the immune
system becomes sensitized to that chemical and begins to attack
the remaining cells.

I guess it's similar to how a vaccine works...(?). If that is
found to be true, then having a strong immune system after
a dose of chemo, or whatever one uses to kill cancer cells,
would be the best route to take. to eliminate the balance of
cancer cells that remain inside us.

Food for thought..... (White Castles for heavy thinkers)

Better health to youse.


John

Immune system & cancer cells
My understanding is that the immune system eventually begins to recognize the cancer cells as part of the body and will fight off the chemo to protect the cancer cells.

PhillieG said:

The Internet
ANYONE can make a website and make it look authentic and important. They can also post anything they want (free speech and all) but just because it's there does not make it true or current. It's up to each of us to look for signs (like seeing the date Sept 21 1995) and having a warning bell go off for us. Unfortunately, not everyone sees that or checks. It's easy for something to slip by too. But the internet has a lot of great information on it and a lot of BS too. You certainly can't say "it's true because I read it on the internet".

Just wondering, is the make-up any of the stuff that they say will kill you?
;-)

I don't know that, but it sure kills something....lol....
The animals they used to test it on...thank goodness THAT whole mess is cleaned up!!!

Hugs, Kathi

Sorry Lizzy
Some just threw one of our own under the bus when all she was doing was trying to help others. The first 1 or 2 to point out when that info was published was enough. Yes the info and website are outdated but do some research and come back and tell us if the ingredients of the listed products are the same as they were back then. A small hint, some of the ingredients have been banned since then. Coincidence?

For those of you that don’t think our diets, household products, etc. etc. etc. can be harmful go read the study published this week about 10% of the girls in the US starting their periods between 6 and 7 years old. 10 years ago it was 5% and 20 years ago it was only .5%. Wrap your minds around that, 1 out of every 10 girls in the US now need bras before they are 8 years old! Certainly it can’t be anything about what we are exposed to on a daily basis. Previous data says that if a girl starts her period before she is 11 years old, she has a 50% chance of getting breast cancer in her life. Their poor parents are now giving them anti-growth drugs so they can be normal girls but I have to wonder what that will do to their long term health.

Next, go check out the incidence rates of colorectal cancer across the world and see that the US, Canada, and Australia have TWICE the incidence rates as ALL the other industrialized countries in the world. So what is it that we do differently than other countries? Canada and Australia are the only countries to follow the USA’s lead in meat, dairy, veggie, and other product regulations/recommendations so I think we can start there. I will add that Australia is wising up and tightening some of the regulations on foods and other products.

I personally think the immune system is key to preventing and fighting cancer but meds, vaccines included, can compromise it. If you don’t believe me, ask your oncologist or just check out how your white blood cell counts react to chemo. For those that don’t know, white blood cells are the key players in an efficient and effective immune system. When they are so low that you could get very sick from any germ exposure the docs won’t let you get chemo. I find it amazing that some oncologist discourage natural supplements that might help build your immune system but don’t hesitate to give you an expensive synthetic man made drug to boost it. I suspect I’d be dead today if my oncologist felt that way. I swear I think some physicians and their associates are just legal drug dealers and only care about how many patients a day they can see. It is all about money and someone has to pay for the fancy cars and houses the pharmaceutical reps have. I have a brother who is an ENT doc/surgeon and he talks about the cars, clothes, and homes his have. If you know how to read a financial statement go check out some of the big Pharmas and see how much more they spend on sales and marketing then research. It'll blow you away but shouldn't surprise you given all the TV and magazine ads.

I have been on this board over 6 years now and am sick and tired of seeing friend after friend die from something I think can be prevented at least 50% of the time and am angry about it. If you think that corporate USA cares about your health and well being more than they do their bottom line, you are being naïve. Why is it we never hear about prevention? All we hear is cure, cure, cure which means you have to have gotten CRC before you can be helped. Why aren’t there walks, runs, colors, or months dedicated to cancer prevention? There is no money in prevention folks, it’s that simple. You can’t tell me that the type 2 diabetes product suppliers care that it is completely preventable and reversible. They want to make money. Money rules and that is all there is to it. 73 million Americans now have a disease that is completely preventable and reversible if they would just get up and exercise a little, eat better and lose some weight. But they would much rather do nothing, take their meds and wait for some other serious illness to hit them.

I know every single one of my CRC buddies here would jump at a chance for a cure, I just don’t understand why type 2 diabetics don’t. I completely understand that some of us only have chemo as options and am not trying to belittle that. I would like to see more time and money spent on your behalf instead of others that aren’t willing to help themselves.

It’s time we stop waiting for the “magic pills” for things we can prevent and become more responsible and accountable for our health so big Pharma can concentrate on helping my friends here that surgery won’t help and have no other options. And hopefully they could find chemo drugs that aren’t so durn caustic.

Lizzy, thanks for trying to help and I hope you continue to post.

For the others out there, do your own research and educate yourself, it is really powerful and I have to say that I enjoy “teaching” some things to my oncologist.

Sorry, off my soapbox after this long post. For those wanting a condensed version, read the first and last parts.

Lisa P.

scouty said:

Sorry Lizzy
Some just threw one of our own under the bus when all she was doing was trying to help others. The first 1 or 2 to point out when that info was published was enough. Yes the info and website are outdated but do some research and come back and tell us if the ingredients of the listed products are the same as they were back then. A small hint, some of the ingredients have been banned since then. Coincidence?

For those of you that don’t think our diets, household products, etc. etc. etc. can be harmful go read the study published this week about 10% of the girls in the US starting their periods between 6 and 7 years old. 10 years ago it was 5% and 20 years ago it was only .5%. Wrap your minds around that, 1 out of every 10 girls in the US now need bras before they are 8 years old! Certainly it can’t be anything about what we are exposed to on a daily basis. Previous data says that if a girl starts her period before she is 11 years old, she has a 50% chance of getting breast cancer in her life. Their poor parents are now giving them anti-growth drugs so they can be normal girls but I have to wonder what that will do to their long term health.

Next, go check out the incidence rates of colorectal cancer across the world and see that the US, Canada, and Australia have TWICE the incidence rates as ALL the other industrialized countries in the world. So what is it that we do differently than other countries? Canada and Australia are the only countries to follow the USA’s lead in meat, dairy, veggie, and other product regulations/recommendations so I think we can start there. I will add that Australia is wising up and tightening some of the regulations on foods and other products.

I personally think the immune system is key to preventing and fighting cancer but meds, vaccines included, can compromise it. If you don’t believe me, ask your oncologist or just check out how your white blood cell counts react to chemo. For those that don’t know, white blood cells are the key players in an efficient and effective immune system. When they are so low that you could get very sick from any germ exposure the docs won’t let you get chemo. I find it amazing that some oncologist discourage natural supplements that might help build your immune system but don’t hesitate to give you an expensive synthetic man made drug to boost it. I suspect I’d be dead today if my oncologist felt that way. I swear I think some physicians and their associates are just legal drug dealers and only care about how many patients a day they can see. It is all about money and someone has to pay for the fancy cars and houses the pharmaceutical reps have. I have a brother who is an ENT doc/surgeon and he talks about the cars, clothes, and homes his have. If you know how to read a financial statement go check out some of the big Pharmas and see how much more they spend on sales and marketing then research. It'll blow you away but shouldn't surprise you given all the TV and magazine ads.

I have been on this board over 6 years now and am sick and tired of seeing friend after friend die from something I think can be prevented at least 50% of the time and am angry about it. If you think that corporate USA cares about your health and well being more than they do their bottom line, you are being naïve. Why is it we never hear about prevention? All we hear is cure, cure, cure which means you have to have gotten CRC before you can be helped. Why aren’t there walks, runs, colors, or months dedicated to cancer prevention? There is no money in prevention folks, it’s that simple. You can’t tell me that the type 2 diabetes product suppliers care that it is completely preventable and reversible. They want to make money. Money rules and that is all there is to it. 73 million Americans now have a disease that is completely preventable and reversible if they would just get up and exercise a little, eat better and lose some weight. But they would much rather do nothing, take their meds and wait for some other serious illness to hit them.

I know every single one of my CRC buddies here would jump at a chance for a cure, I just don’t understand why type 2 diabetics don’t. I completely understand that some of us only have chemo as options and am not trying to belittle that. I would like to see more time and money spent on your behalf instead of others that aren’t willing to help themselves.

It’s time we stop waiting for the “magic pills” for things we can prevent and become more responsible and accountable for our health so big Pharma can concentrate on helping my friends here that surgery won’t help and have no other options. And hopefully they could find chemo drugs that aren’t so durn caustic.

Lizzy, thanks for trying to help and I hope you continue to post.

For the others out there, do your own research and educate yourself, it is really powerful and I have to say that I enjoy “teaching” some things to my oncologist.

Sorry, off my soapbox after this long post. For those wanting a condensed version, read the first and last parts.

Lisa P.

Thanks Lisa!
The more I read and the more I learn about colon cancer (and all cancers) I truly believe in the importance of nutrition, exercise, stress reduction and supplements. The year prior to my diagnosis I began a new job, reduced exercise (no time), and was not eating as healthy as I should have. I wonder if all this could have been prevented. I'll never know, but I do know that it makes a huge difference and I appreciate all the information and feedback regarding other choices.

THanks for the information!

Hugs,
Sara