Ileostomy Questions

Stefi
Stefi Member Posts: 31
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
So, mom had to get an ileostomy after her surgery to give her rectum time to heal and since she is starting chemo in a few weeks, she will have it for a while. I have a few questions for those of you that have had one. I really want her to be as comfortable about this as possible and am looking for any and all info and advice I can get on this subject. If there are special products I can buy for her to help with this, I would like to do so as soon as possible to help her out.

1) Will the intestine that is bulging out shrink after some time? Right now it sticks out quite a bit (which doesnt bother me) but worries me about her hitting things against it.

2) The bad seems to dangle a lot, so do they make something to go over it or do you have any suggestions to help with the hanging of it? She is still in the hospital and in a hospital gown so she hasnt worn real clothes over it, but it seems like when she goes to the bathroom and lays down it just dangles all over the place.

3) The nurse told us that the intestines dont have nerves endings in them so bumping and touching it doesnt hurt. Is this pretty much true? I just worry that when she does get to put on clothes that it is going to be uncomfortable or when she rubs against something it will hurt or feel weird.

Again, thank you so much for any advice and info on this. I am by her side through all of this and really want to help her in any way I can both mentally and physically.

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  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    Ileostomy


    The intestine sticking out, should stick out between 3/4 to 1"
    at the least. It provides a "spout" for the waste to exit into the
    pouch in a way that won't undermine the adhesive that's holding
    it to the body.

    The "spout" will shrink slightly, and that's why it should be made
    longer initially.

    The pouch will dangle as it should. Using a two-piece appliance
    can allow a change in pouches easily, and whenever necessary
    without changing the wafer. A smaller pouch will be less weight,
    and help to increase the overall wear time.

    Although the intestine doesn't have any nerve endings, it can
    and will bleed very, very easily when hit, touched or otherwise
    damaged. The bleeding usually stops fairly quickly.

    The stoma is formed by puling the end out of the body,
    turning it over upon itself, and stitching it to the surrounding
    skin. What you are actually looking at that is sticking out, is
    actually the inside of the intestine.

    Take a trip to www.uoaa.org and go to the general ostomy
    forum, they'll give you all the advice you never needed.

    Good luck!

    John
  • khl8
    khl8 Member Posts: 807
    Everything that John said is
    Everything that John said is true. On a personal care and clothing note, here are some suggestions. Is her Illeostomy right below her belly button and to the side? This is where they normally are and mine was as well.
    I wore high lef brief underwear and this "held" the bag closer to my body so that dangling was not an issue, it also felt more suported to me. I also lined my underwaear where the bag was with ultra thin panyy liners. This made me feel more comfortable in case I were to have a blow out or leak, and the scented part of the panty liners made me feel better.
    I also choose to wear yoga pants as my every day clothing, they had the give for the bag to expand but also gave me the support I was looking for, and they make some of them now that are solid and one color and I even used them with a dressy top to go out in. Get her a nice bag to carry her extra supplies in as she will want to have these with her at all times. I carried one with me everywhere so that I never had to panic if there was a problem. I also carried in my purse one of those plastic refillabe juice box cups by rubbermaid, I would put water in it before I emptied the bad and then rinse out the bag to feel a little fresher.
    If you have any more questions or I remember anything else I will let you know, I am 7 months post illeostomy reversal surgery.
    Kathy
  • WinneyPooh
    WinneyPooh Member Posts: 318
    ileo, help
    I think the most important thing for your mom is to find an appliance that works best for her there are several models and an ostomy nuse will have samples of a lot of products , when she leaves the hospital make an appointment to see one for a fitting, also most of the manufatures will send you samples for free, and lots of them also send out care packages with seal, paste, carrying back, sissors etc. This is very nice. I hope her insurance covers the cost, the supplys can be very expensive.

    Fit is very important with an Ileo, because even if the stoma does not have feelings ( mine does have feelings) the skin around it does and if it gets juices on it it will burn and be very irritated this will hurt. Most of what the ileo will put out will be liquid.

    Usually about anfew hour after she eats and most of the out put will look like the food she ate earlier so getting enough nutrients and liquids can be a problem, expect rapid weight loss and then it will even out as she learns what to eat, protien takes the longest to digest so eat this often, carbos take only minutes and they offer not satisfaction except taste, marshmellows thicken up the out put, so i suggest she eats a few at each meal, .

    I hope she had good luck with it.

    If she wants to support the bag they make belt holder of such, go on line and look up ostomy sport belts, or swim belts, also i think ebay has some for sale. Just found out i have to keep my ileo for another 6 months so I am looking into one of the belts.

    Take care, and PM me if you want to real story of an ileostomy, ( canbe to graffic for most)

    Live, Love, Play
    Winnie
  • Stefi
    Stefi Member Posts: 31

    ileo, help
    I think the most important thing for your mom is to find an appliance that works best for her there are several models and an ostomy nuse will have samples of a lot of products , when she leaves the hospital make an appointment to see one for a fitting, also most of the manufatures will send you samples for free, and lots of them also send out care packages with seal, paste, carrying back, sissors etc. This is very nice. I hope her insurance covers the cost, the supplys can be very expensive.

    Fit is very important with an Ileo, because even if the stoma does not have feelings ( mine does have feelings) the skin around it does and if it gets juices on it it will burn and be very irritated this will hurt. Most of what the ileo will put out will be liquid.

    Usually about anfew hour after she eats and most of the out put will look like the food she ate earlier so getting enough nutrients and liquids can be a problem, expect rapid weight loss and then it will even out as she learns what to eat, protien takes the longest to digest so eat this often, carbos take only minutes and they offer not satisfaction except taste, marshmellows thicken up the out put, so i suggest she eats a few at each meal, .

    I hope she had good luck with it.

    If she wants to support the bag they make belt holder of such, go on line and look up ostomy sport belts, or swim belts, also i think ebay has some for sale. Just found out i have to keep my ileo for another 6 months so I am looking into one of the belts.

    Take care, and PM me if you want to real story of an ileostomy, ( canbe to graffic for most)

    Live, Love, Play
    Winnie

    Thank you!
    Thank you all for the great information! I spent the last few hours on some websites, watched some videos, looked at some different products, and it seems a little better now. This is just all so new and so many things have been thrown at us in the last 5 days I just wasnt sure where to even begin. I just want to help my mom feel as comfortable as possible with all of this. The stoma is on the right side below the belly button. She bought some comfy pj pants from VS before the surgery, so hopefully they will help her out, as she generally wears jeans. One more questions, if she supports the bag with her underwear, will the underwear resrict the bag from filling in any way? I guess my concern is that supporting it with underwear will make it too tight and come loose. I know things will make more sense as time goes on and she gets used to it. I also think it will help if she does not get the see through bags like they have on her in the hospital. Just makes sense for her emotional feelings to get the ones that dont show it all. Thanks again for the info, and if you have any more advice, I am all ears.

    Steph
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    Stefi said:

    Thank you!
    Thank you all for the great information! I spent the last few hours on some websites, watched some videos, looked at some different products, and it seems a little better now. This is just all so new and so many things have been thrown at us in the last 5 days I just wasnt sure where to even begin. I just want to help my mom feel as comfortable as possible with all of this. The stoma is on the right side below the belly button. She bought some comfy pj pants from VS before the surgery, so hopefully they will help her out, as she generally wears jeans. One more questions, if she supports the bag with her underwear, will the underwear resrict the bag from filling in any way? I guess my concern is that supporting it with underwear will make it too tight and come loose. I know things will make more sense as time goes on and she gets used to it. I also think it will help if she does not get the see through bags like they have on her in the hospital. Just makes sense for her emotional feelings to get the ones that dont show it all. Thanks again for the info, and if you have any more advice, I am all ears.

    Steph

    Steph -


    I use the Coloplast Assura series two-piece appliances, with their
    Extended Wear wafer. That enables the wafer to stay on as
    long as possible, while allowing the pouch to be changed when
    necessary. The Coloplast pouches I use are fabric covered,
    and opaque. They are drainable pouches, using a velcro locking
    system at their bottom edge, so there's no clips to lose in
    the toilet.

    You want to use the absolute minimum of products, since each
    one can cause a skin reaction, and these things are designed to work
    well all by themselves.

    Wash with hot water only; no soap. All soaps leave a residue,
    as do some toilet paper, so dry the skin after washing with
    paper towels to avoid any residue from skin softening agents
    or perfumes.

    I use a Hollister "Adapt Ring" between the wafer and skin to
    further the wear-time of the wafer. The adhesive sealing ring
    keeps any waste from getting to the skin.

    The hole in the appliance that fits around the stoma should fit
    as snugly around the stoma as possible. No skin should show
    between the stoma and the hole in the wafer....... This is where
    a two-piece appliance is good, since you can see exactly how
    it's fitting around the stoma when you apply it! That seal is
    most important, since any waste at all that gets to the skin, will
    eat away at the skin and cause rashes and worse.

    For any rash, etc under the wafer around the stoma, I use
    Convetec's Stomahesive Powder. It will heal a sore overnight.
    It is designed to be used alone, under the wafer/appliance. If any
    other topical dressing or spray is used with it, it will not work as
    it is designed to. I simply put some on a finger, and dab it to
    a sore spot, apply the wafer with the "adapt ring" and I'm good
    to go. The sore will heal quickly doing things the way the
    manufacturer's design things!

    One added important thing.......

    Make sure water is ingested at least 4oz per hour. Ileostomates
    are always bordering on dehydration due to the amount of
    liquid lost in the output. When they remove the colon and give
    you an Ileostomy, they take the Ileocecal valve out; it's part of
    the colon. Without the ileocecal valve, the body loses it's way
    to control how long digestive matter stays in the ileum, so the stuff
    goes into the bag more quickly, and we lose more water.

    The Ileocecal valve has two purposes: It keeps bacteria in the colon
    from travelling back into the ileum, and the valve allows the body
    to control/regulate the output from the ileum into the colon.

    We don't have to drink "more water", just water more often, so
    our bods can have a chance to absorb it while it's rushing through us.

    I hope some of this helps you & mom. It's a real pain at first,
    and I saw the worst of the worst. I got a rash so bad, nothing
    would stick. Home nurses couldn't help, nor could a nurse
    specializing in ostomy care. I slept in the tub one night, and
    had wished I had died instead of having to live with a stoma.

    I now change the wafer every two-three weeks, and pouches when
    needed. No sores, no problems, and life is.... err.... ok.

    So tell mom not to get too frustrated; keep things as simple as
    possible, don't use multiples of dressings, etc. Basic is best.
    Trust me.

    Healthy thoughts to youse both.

    John
  • khl8
    khl8 Member Posts: 807
    Stefi said:

    Thank you!
    Thank you all for the great information! I spent the last few hours on some websites, watched some videos, looked at some different products, and it seems a little better now. This is just all so new and so many things have been thrown at us in the last 5 days I just wasnt sure where to even begin. I just want to help my mom feel as comfortable as possible with all of this. The stoma is on the right side below the belly button. She bought some comfy pj pants from VS before the surgery, so hopefully they will help her out, as she generally wears jeans. One more questions, if she supports the bag with her underwear, will the underwear resrict the bag from filling in any way? I guess my concern is that supporting it with underwear will make it too tight and come loose. I know things will make more sense as time goes on and she gets used to it. I also think it will help if she does not get the see through bags like they have on her in the hospital. Just makes sense for her emotional feelings to get the ones that dont show it all. Thanks again for the info, and if you have any more advice, I am all ears.

    Steph

    I was able to use the same
    I was able to use the same underwear that i always wore ( and since she already like VS that is what I used too). and no it did not restrict the bag filling up, as long as your underwear is not skin tight. I used the 2 piece system with the velcro closure at the bottom. I usually emptied when it was 1/3 full, to avoid any bulge under my clothes. I only used the panty liners because it made me feel better and if I by chance got anything on my underwear, it was easier to change the liners instead of my clothes. I used to take the bag and fold it up and rest it inside the panties, and whenyou are emptying often this works.
    I prefered the clear bags as then I could monitor the output and see what was happening right away for example I eventually could tell if I needed to change my diet or add more water to it.
    I will be honest, I hated the bag and had a lot of body "issues" with it. but I got through it and she can too. I tried to look at my stoma as it being there to save my life. Is she married or in a relationship? If so, you can PM me and I will give you a few tips where intimacy is concerned.
    Kathy