What caused your thyroid cancer?

JAWsSavannah said:

That's three for three then.
That's three for three then. UV rays are generally thought to adversely affect only the skin but now I wonder if studies have ever been done to see if excess exposure can damage organs and tissue just under the skin. You know, you can see bright light through your hand, say about an inch of tissue and bone and two layers of skin. I bet the thyroid gland is getting exposed to the bright light--and some of the UV radiation--from arc welding with less-than-adequate protection.

Here's another question to consider: On average, who will spend more time sunbathing or in a tanning booth, males or females? When seeking an even tan the head will be tilted back so the neck gets exposed evenly....so the thyroid gland, just under the surface, is getting some of the exposure, too.

I tanned
so do you believe that tanning is what caused thyroid cancer? I use to tan but I stoped when I was told I had cancer, I want to start again though. Do you think it will affect me ?

Radiation exposure
Im trying to add this to comments. Hope Im sending it to the right area but I too had done research and questioning where in the world I would have been exposed to radiation to get this cancer which has been agressive for this type. I have worked around xrays and and had many xrays for dental work. I have lived in the east in ohio which has shale rock and hi exposure to Radon through the center of the state. Hopefull this info may help those who are wondering where in the world would I have gotten exposure. Take the questionare and it may add up and answer your questions.
Radiationin Everyday Life
Types of Radiation | Radiation Dose | Radiation Protection | At What Level is Radiation Harmful? | Risks and Benefits
Radioactivity is a part of our earth - it has existed all along. Naturally occurring radioactive materials are present in its crust, the floors and walls of our homes, schools, or offices and in the food we eat and drink. There are radioactive gases in the air we breathe. Our own bodies - muscles, bones, and tissue - contain naturally occurring radioactive elements.
Man has always been exposed to natural radiation arising from the earth as well as from outside the earth. The radiation we receive from outer space is called cosmic radiation or cosmic rays.
We also receive exposure from man-made radiation, such as X-rays, radiation used to diagnose diseases and for cancer therapy. Fallout from nuclear explosives testing, and small quantities of radioactive materials released to the environment from coal and nuclear power plants, are also sources of radiation exposure to man.
Radioactivity is the term used to describe disintegration of atoms. The atom can be characterized by the number of protons in the nucleus. Some natural elements are unstable. Therefore, their nuclei disintegrate or decay, thus releasing energy in the form of radiation. This physical phenomenon is called radioactivity and the radioactive atoms are called nuclei. The radioactive decay is expressed in units called becquerels. One becquerel equals one disintegration per second.
The radionuclides decay at a characteristic rate that remains constant regardless of external influences, such as temperature or pressure. The time that it takes for half the radionuclides to disintegrate or decay is called half-life. This differs for each radioelement, ranging from fractions of a second to billions of years. For example, the half-life of Iodine 131 is eight days, but for Uranium 238, which is present in varying amounts all over the world, it is 4.5 billion years. Potassium 40, the main source of radioactivity in our bodies, has a half-life of 1.42 billion years.
Types of Radiation
The term "radiation" is very broad, and includes such things as light and radio waves. In our context it refers to "ionizing" radiation, which means that because such radiation passes through matter, it can cause it to become electrically charged or ionized. In living tissues, the electrical ions produced by radiation can affect normal biological processes.
There are various types of radiation, each having different characteristics. The common ionizing radiations generally talked about are:
Alpha radiation consists of heavy, positively charged particles emitted by atoms of elements such as uranium and radium. Alpha radiation can be stopped completely by a sheet of paper or by the thin surface layer of our skin (epidermis). However, if alpha-emitting materials are taken into the body by breathing, eating, or drinking, they can expose internal tissues directly and may, therefore, cause biological damage.
Beta radiation consists of electrons. They are more penetrating than alpha particles and can pass through 1-2 centimetres of water. In general, a sheet of aluminum a few millimetres thick will stop beta radiation.
Gamma rays are electromagnetic radiation similar to X-rays, light, and radio waves. Gamma rays, depending on their energy, can pass right through the human body, but can be stopped by thick walls of concrete or lead.
Neutrons are uncharged particles and do not produce ionization directly. But, their interaction with the atoms of matter can give rise to alpha, beta, gamma, or X-rays which then produce ionization. Neutrons are penetrating and can be stopped only by thick masses of concrete, water or paraffin.
Although we cannot see or feel the presence of radiation, it can be detected and measured in the most minute quantities with quite simple radiation measuring instruments.
Radiation Dose
Sunlight feels warm because our body absorbs the infra-red rays it contains. But, infra-red rays do not produce ionization in body tissue. In contrast, ionizing radiation can impair the normal functioning of the cells or even kill them. The amount of energy necessary to cause significant biological effects through ionization is so small that our bodies cannot feel this energy as in the case of infra-red rays which produce heat.
The biological effects of ionizing radiation vary with the type and energy. A measure of the risk of biological harm is the dose of radiation that the tissues receive. The unit of absorbed radiation dose is the sievert (Sv). Since one sievert is a large quantity, radiation doses normally encountered are expressed in millisievert (mSv) or microsievert (µSv) which are one-thousandth or one millionth of a sievert. For example, one chest X-ray will give about 0.2 mSv of radiation dose.
On average, our radiation exposure due to all natural sources amounts to about 2.4 mSv a year - though this figure can vary, depending on the geographical location by several hundred percent. In homes and buildings, there are radioactive elements in the air. These radioactive elements are radon (Radon 222), thoron (Radon 220) and by products formed by the decay of radium (Radium 226) and thorium present in many sorts of rocks, other building materials and in the soil. By far the largest source of natural radiation exposure comes from varying amounts of uranium and thorium in the soil around the world.
The radiation exposure due to cosmic rays is very dependent on altitude, and slightly on latitude: people who travel by air, thereby, increase their exposure to radiation.
We are exposed to ionizing radiation from natural sources in two ways:
We are surrounded by naturally-occurring radioactive elements in the soil and stones, and are bathed with cosmic rays entering the earth's atmosphere from outer space.

We receive internal exposure from radioactive elements which we take into our bodies through food and water, and through the air we breathe. In addition, we have radioactive elements (Potassium 40, Carbon 14, Radium 226) in our blood or bones.
Additionally, we are exposed to varying amounts of radiation from sources such as dental and other medical X-rays, industrial uses of nuclear techniques and other consumer products such as luminized wrist watches, ionization smoke detectors, etc. We are also exposed to radiation from radioactive elements contained in fallout from nuclear explosives testing, and routine normal discharges from nuclear and coal power stations.
Radiation Protection
It has long been recognized that large doses of ionizing radiation can damage human tissues. Over the years, as more was learned, scientists became increasingly concerned about the potentially damaging effects of exposure to large doses of radiation. The need to regulate exposure to radiation prompted the formation of a number of expert bodies to consider what is needed to be done. In 1928, an independent non-governmental body of experts in the field, the International X-ray and Radium Protection Committee was established. It later was renamed the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP). Its purpose is to establish basic principles for, and issue recommendations on, radiation protection.
These principles and recommendations form the basis for national regulations governing the exposure of radiation workers and members of the public. They also have been incorporated by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) into its Basic Safety Standards for Radiation Protection published jointly with the World Health Organization (WHO), International Labour Organization (ILO), and the OECD Nuclear Energy Agency (NEA). These standards are used worldwide to ensure safety and radiation protection of radiation workers and the general public.
An intergovernmental body was formed in 1955 by the General Assembly of the United Nations as the UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR). UNSCEAR is directed to assemble, study and disseminate information on observed levels of ionizing radiation and radioactivity (natural and man-made) in the environment, and on the effects of such radiation on man and the environment.
Basic approaches to radiation protection are consistent all over the world. The ICRP recommends that any exposure above the natural background radiation should be kept as low as reasonably achievable, but below the individual dose limits. The individual dose limit for radiation workers averaged over 5 years is 100 mSv, and for members of the general public, is 1 mSv per year. These dose limits have been established based on a prudent approach by assuming that there is no threshold dose below which there would be no effect. It means that any additional dose will cause a proportional increase in the chance of a health effect. This relationship has not yet been established in the low dose range where the dose limits have been set.
There are many high natural background radiation areas around the world where the annual radiation dose received by members of the general public is several times higher than the ICRP dose limit for radiation workers. The numbers of people exposed are too small to expect to detect any increases in health effects epidemiologically. Still the fact that there is no evidence so far of any increase does not mean the risk is being totally disregarded.
The ICRP and the IAEA recommend the individual dose must be kept as low as reasonably achievable, and consideration must be given to the presence of other sources which may cause simultaneous radiation exposure to the same group of the public. Also, allowance for future sources or practices must be kept in mind so that the total dose received by an individual member of the public does not exceed the dose limit.
In general, the average annual dose received by radiation workers is found to be considerably lower than the individual dose limits. Good radiation protection practice can thus result in low radiation exposure to workers.
At What Level is Radiation Harmful?
The effects of radiation at high doses and dose rates are reasonably well documented. A very large dose delivered to the whole body over a short time will result in the death of the exposed person within days. Much has been learned by studying the health records of the survivors of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We know from these that some of the health effects of exposure to radiation do not appear unless a certain quite large dose is absorbed. However, many other effects, especially cancers are readily detectable and occur more often in those with moderate doses. At lower doses and dose rates, there is a degree of recovery in cells and in tissues.
However, at low doses of radiation, there is still considerable uncertainty about the overall effects. It is presumed that exposure to radiation, even at the levels of natural background, may involve some additional risk of cancer. However, this has yet to be established. To determine precisely the risk at low doses by epidemiology would mean observing millions of people at higher and lower dose levels. Such an analysis would be complicated by the absence of a control group which had not been exposed to any radiation. In addition, there are thousands of substances in our everyday life besides radiation that can also cause cancer, including tobacco smoke, ultraviolet light, asbestos, some chemical dyes, fungal toxins in food, viruses, and even heat. Only in exceptional cases is it possible to identify conclusively the cause of a particular cancer.
There is also experimental evidence from animal studies that exposure to radiation can cause genetic effects. However, the studies of the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki give no indication of this for humans. Again, if there were any hereditary effects of exposure to low-level radiation, they could be detected only by careful analysis of a large volume of statistical data. Moreover, they would have to be distinguished from those of a number of other agents which might also cause genetic disorders, but whose effect may not be recognised until the damage has been done (thalidomide, once prescribed for pregnant women as a tranquilizer, is one example). It is likely that the resolution of the scientific debate will not come via epidemiology but from an understanding of the mechanisms through molecular biology.
With all the knowledge so far collected on effects of radiation, there is still no definite conclusion as to whether exposure due to natural background carries a health risk, even though it has been demonstrated for exposure at a level a few times higher.
Risks and Benefits
We all face risks in everyday life. It is impossible to eliminate them all, but it is possible to reduce them. The use of coal, oil, and nuclear energy for electricity production, for example, is associated with some sort of risk to health, however small. In general, society accepts the associated risk in order to derive the relevant benefits. Any individual exposed to carcinogenic pollutants will carry some risk of getting cancer. Strenuous attempts are made in the nuclear industry to reduce such risks to as low as reasonably achievable.
Radiation protection sets examples for other safety disciplines in two unique respects:
First, there is the assumption that any increased level of radiation above natural background will carry some risk of harm to health.

Second, it aims to protect future generations from activities conducted today.
The use of radiation and nuclear techniques in medicine, industry, agriculture, energy and other scientific and technological fields has brought tremendous benefits to society. The benefits in medicine for diagnosis and treatment in terms of human lives saved are enormous. Radiation is a key tool in the treatment of certain kinds of cancer. Three out of every four patients hospitalized in the industrial countries benefit from some form of nuclear medicine. The beneficial impacts in other fields are similar.
No human activity or practice is totally devoid of associated risks. Radiation should be viewed from the perspective that the benefit from it to mankind is less harmful than from many other agents.
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Determining Your Exposure
Most of the exposure levels described in these Web pages are averages and may not reflect your own individual exposure or that of members of your family. Depending on where you live, your lifestyle, and your occupation, you could be exposed to more or less radiation than the average person.
For example, if you live in "mile-high" Denver, Colorado, your average annual dose from cosmic radiation is about 50 millirem per year. If you live in Leadville, Colorado, at an altitude of two miles, your cosmic radiation dose is closer to 125 millirem per year. However, if you live on a coastal plain, like Florida, you receive only about 26 millirem per year from cosmic radiation.
Some parts of the country have higher concentrations of radon and radioactive minerals in the soil than others. In Ohio, for example, a line of Ohio Black Shale runs through the center of the state from south to north, along part of the Lake Erie shore, and in the northwestern parts of the state. Many people who live over this shale experience higher doses from radon than those who live elsewhere in Ohio. Also, very high levels (hundreds or even thousands of pCi/L ) of radon have been found in homes built in the area known as the Reading Prong in the Northeastern United States.
Other factors that help determine your exposure include:
The consumer products you use regularly
The number of medical and dental procedures using radiation that you undergo annually
The kind of work you do. (Airline flight crews receive many times the average radiation exposure from cosmic rays while in the air, an extra 100 millirem per year on average.)
Whether you smoke
The kind of house you live in
You can use Table 4 to do a rough calculation of your annual exposure to radiation.
Table 4. What Is Your Estimated Annual Radiation Dose?
Source Your Average Annual
Dose (mrem)
Cosmic radiation at sea level (from outer space) 26
What is the elevation (in feet) of your town?
up to 1000, add 2 mrem 5,000 - 6,000, add 29 mrem
1,000 - 2,000, add 5 mrem 6,000 - 7,000, add 40 mrem
2,000 - 3,000, add 9 mrem 7,000 - 8,000, add 53 mrem
3,000 - 4,000, add 15 mrem above 8,000, add 70 mrem
4,000 - 5,000 add 21 mrem
Terrestrial (from the ground):
What region of the US do you live in?
Gulf Coast, add 16 mrem
Atlantic Coast, add 16 mrem
Colorado Plateau, add 63 mrem
Elsewhere in United States, add 30 mrem
Internal radiation (in your body):
From food and water, (e.g., potassium and radon in water) 40
From air, (radon) 200
Do you wear a plutonium powered pacemaker? If yes, add 100 mrem
Do you have porcelain crowns or false teeth? If yes, add .07 mrem
Travel Related Sources:
Add .5 mrem for each hour in the air
Are xray luggage inspection machines used at your airport? Yes, add .002 mrem
Do you use a gas camping lantern? If yes, add .2 mrem
Medical Sources
X-rays:
Extremity (arm, hand, foot, or leg) add 1 mrem
Chest xrays, add 6 mrem
Skull/neck, add 20 mrem
Upper GI, add 245 mrem
Dental xrays, add 1 mrem
Pelvis hip, add 65 mrem
Barium enema, add 405 mrem
CAT Scan (head and body), add 110 mrem
Nuclear Medicine (e.g., thyroid scan), add 14 mrem

Miscellaneous Sources:
Weapons test fallout 1
Do you live in a stone, adobe brick, or concrete building? If yes, add 7 mrem
Do you wear a luminous wristwatch (LCD)? If yes, add.06 mrem
Do you watch TV? If yes, add 1 mrem
Do you use a computer terminal? If yes, add .1 mrem
Do you have a smoke detector in your home? If yes, add .008 mrem
Do you live within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant? If yes, add .01 mrem
Do you live within 50 miles of a coal fired power plant? If yes, add .03 mrem
TOTAL YEARLY DOSE (in mrem):
[Note: The amount of radiation exposure is usually expressed in a unit called millimrem (mrem). In the United States, the average person is exposed to an effective dose equivalent of approximately 360 mrem (whole-body exposure) per year from all sources (NCRP Report No. 93).]
Source: U.S. EPA and American Nuclear Society based on data from the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements Reports # 92 - 95 and #100.

JAWsSavannah said:

Wow! There's a whole bunch
Wow! There's a whole bunch of info there to ponder.

As for ultraviolet radiation being a non-ionizing form, I will have to take your word for it. I know UV rays are not the same as X-rays...but...

My theory about UV causing SOME thyroid cancers still stands--as a theory, only. MY theory.

I base it on a few observations, only: (1) Three people in this very tiny sampling (on this thread) had thyroid cancer that came on some time after doing a significant amount of arc welding with poor protective gear that exposed not only their skin but also the lower neck. (2) Thyroid cancer is more common in women and women have been more concerned about their tans than men, in general, over the last 5 or 6 decades. Men that work outdoors will usually develop a natural tan that doesn't include the lower neck because it tends to be shaded by the head; women seeking an all-over tan purposely tilt their heads back to eliminate that white "shadow." (3) There has been a dramatic increase in thyroid cancers in younger females, in the past couple decades; during that same period tanning salons and home tanning beds have grown at a pretty fast pace, with the majority of users being female, especially younger females.

UV rays used to be considered healthy--it's called a healthy tan, right? Pale skin was considered sickly. But every year that goes by we learn of more and more harm that can result from high exposure to UV rays. I believe someone, somewhere, someday, will discover what happens within a thyroid gland, lying just below the surface of the neck, when that area is exposed to high levels of UV rays.

Just another thought. Now
Just another thought. Now that I look back, (I am 45), I remember getting a lot of dental xrays through my life. I was a smokeless tobacco user from around 1981 to 1985, then I was a smoker from 1985 till 1992. I never welded (I can barely draw a straight line!)

My grandmother who passed away in 2001 at 89, was treated for "goiter" at one point in her life and ad her thyroid removed I think. She still had a sister alive that was able to share some of that with me.

I spent a little time in the sun, but not nearly anything excessive. My dad has an auto parts store and I worked there every day all summer growing up.

Stratus said:

New research about high incidence of thyroid cancer near volcanoes - researchers seem to think that in addition to radiation any very toxic fumes (like welding) could contribute. Also some dental x-ray machines were set too high before newer regulations.

What caused your Thyroid Cancer........
NBC's nightly news with Brian williams on Dec 21st. Catch it if you can.

Suggested that it could be caused from dental x-rays.

I am not a smoker, nor have I ever welded...................I do have however a mouth full of crowns and bridges.............