New to Caregivers Board..Been on the Ovarian Cancer Board-

Lisa13Q
Lisa13Q Member Posts: 677
edited March 2014 in Caregivers #1
Ok, I am tired today. Mom was diagnosed July 25th with ovarian cancer. She's had 3 chemos, major debulking, and now is on a taxol cisplatin regimen that nearly killed her last time. No exaggeration, she had to be hospitalized to get through it. She receives her next cisplatin tomorrow. She's in a horrible mood and I can't blame her, but that;s not whats bugging me. I can handle that. I am so sick of getting my hopes up and living for the CA-125 test and then feeling like it's not low enough. Will we ever get a remission? How will we know? Today, her CA-125 was at 128 down from 1645 and initial diagnosis. Her oncologist was happy, but not me. I was so disappointed. Wouldn't remission be at zero? How would we know that she gets one? All this feeling horrible for ??? Who here gets disappointed and then hopeful and disappointed? How do we ride this merry go round? I fear so much for her that she is so hopeful and won't get her "cure" and will never feel better again. Her heartache will cause me so much heartache. Anyway, I don't know what I need/want. Just rambling here. Thanks. Lisa PS I hate this disease...truly hate it.

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  • grandmafay
    grandmafay Member Posts: 1,633 Member
    Waiting & Tests
    Waiting for test results and being disappointed is soooo normal or at least a part of your new normal. My husband fought colon cancer for six years. After the first recurrence we decided that we would look on this "adventure" as buying time. It wasn't unusual for us to walk out of a dr.'s appointment and not really know how we should feel. As hard as it is to stay on the merry-go-round that usually means that you are still buying time. I hope it is a long time. I know people who have been clean for many years who still dread the tests and waiting for the results. Hang in there. Take each day as a gift and hold tight to each other. Fay
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    Hang in there!
    Hello, Lisa. You do not indicate your age, and I am not an ageist, but it does matter. It seems, to me, that we handle this better as we get older and, sadly enough, begin to experience the illnesses and deaths of other folks significant in our lives.

    That said, I would first advise that such an extreme drop in CA-125 is a VERY good thing, and it is no wonder that your mom's OncoMan is happy with that. As it happens, a zero is unrealistic, as I understand it, even for someone without a cancer diagnosis. This test is used to measure things in terms of relativity: where were we last time? Where are we today? And if you think in those terms, this is great news for mom!

    I submit that if YOU went in for such a test, the results would not return as zero. (In fact, you should probably consider doing so at some point down the road, depending on your age, again, but ask your mom's doc about that.)

    As for your weariness and disappointment and the feeling that you are on an emotional roller coaster, be assured that you are not alone, not by any stretch of the imagination.

    I frankly believe that caregivers have a harder job to deal with than those of us who are fighting the disease. I really do. Now, you are among those caregivers, and I wish you well.

    I suggest that you remember this one thing before all others: to be a good caregiver, you have to take good care of the giver.

    I do not know, from your post, what the extent of your involvement is, but I assure you that the above holds true: you must take care of yourself if you are to provide proper care for mom. This means getting away from it, finding ways to enjoy yourself, being with friends.

    My wife, who is a nurse, and thus permitted to sleep on a cot next to me when I was inside (first go-round ... second time she got a couch :)) was whisked off by her friends (our friends) more than once for dinner and a drink or two, just to get her out of the hospital environment, for example.

    There ARE ovarian cancer survivors, by the way, Lisa. Some of them, some of them I know personally, are now nine-, 10-year survivors. There ARE ovarian cancer survivors, and every day that goes by brings more hope.

    My mom was, in fact, an ovarian cancer survivor who died of a different one.

    Finally, let me suggest that it is a roller coaster, or a merry-go-round, as you suggest, but that it is not cancer that is making it so. We have a lot to do with how we handle the disease, whether we are survivors or caregivers. Cancer has nothing to do with that. It cannot control that.

    I urge you to be a positive force, energetically so, in mom's survivorship. It will be of great help to both of you.

    I wish your mom and her family the very best.

    Take care,

    Joe
  • NBTXGIRL
    NBTXGIRL Member Posts: 31
    I hate this disease too.
    Lisa,

    I am so sorry to hear about your mother. I, myself, am no stranger to the trials of cancer taking over a family. In 1996, my mother was dx with colon cancer, congestive heart failure and renal failure. I am the youngest of four children. My brother, Shawn (who lived here) and I would take turn helping my parents and my paternal grandparents. My sister and other brother live a couple of hours away from us. In 1999, my paternal grandfather was dx with prostate cancer. In February of 2000, Shawn died in a plane crash, which left Dad and I to handle Mom and my grandfather. In May of 2000, my paternal grandfather passed, so we moved my grandmother in with my parents. In August of 2000, my step grandfather passed, my maternal grandfather passed of lung cancer in the 70’s, and lost an uncle to lung cancer in the 80’s.

    In January of 2006, I lost my maternal grandmother to Parkinson’s disease. In June of 2006, we had to move my paternal grandmother into an assisted living facility because she was no longer able to walk and she would fall and have to wait for us to come home to lift her. On October 19th, my mother’s 65th birthday, my mother had trouble, so I tried to discuss hiring someone to come stay with her while Dad and I worked. She was a little upset with me for bringing it up. The morning of October 20th, she collapsed into a coma at the dialysis clinic. I was literally following the life flight helicopter with my mother, when I got the call that my paternal grandmother was passing. I ran day and night between my mom hospital and my grandmother nursing home, not wanting to leave either one of them. I lost my mom on October 25th and my grandmother on November 2nd, 2006.

    In May of 2009, my father complained of his hip hurting. Long story short, Stage IV colon cancer with mets to lungs, liver, spine, ribs and lymph nodes. My father went from working 16 hrs a day, to having emergency surgery, being confined to a wheel chair and having to move in with me, (colon tumor broke his hip). He has been hospitalized for over a week each month since. We have our good days and bad. I am constantly fighting his feelings of despair, pain, nausea, and lack of appetite. Sometimes I have to use tough love, which makes me feel guilty for being stern with him, but he usually feels better once he is doing something. Sometimes, I just let him rest. He is aware of everything that is happening. He recently chose to stop chemo treatments and I have had to respect his wishes. Now, we live every day to make wonderful memories.

    Lisa, I tell you all of this because whether you lose someone to cancer or a plane crash, cherish every moment for today. Every one of these people listed above, knew that I truly loved them and would do anything for them. I would jump on the merry go round a million more rides to have one more memory.

    Caregiving is the hardest job you will ever have to perform, but it will be the most rewarding.

    Best of luck to you and your mom and I pray that remission is in the near future.
  • Lisa13Q
    Lisa13Q Member Posts: 677

    Hang in there!
    Hello, Lisa. You do not indicate your age, and I am not an ageist, but it does matter. It seems, to me, that we handle this better as we get older and, sadly enough, begin to experience the illnesses and deaths of other folks significant in our lives.

    That said, I would first advise that such an extreme drop in CA-125 is a VERY good thing, and it is no wonder that your mom's OncoMan is happy with that. As it happens, a zero is unrealistic, as I understand it, even for someone without a cancer diagnosis. This test is used to measure things in terms of relativity: where were we last time? Where are we today? And if you think in those terms, this is great news for mom!

    I submit that if YOU went in for such a test, the results would not return as zero. (In fact, you should probably consider doing so at some point down the road, depending on your age, again, but ask your mom's doc about that.)

    As for your weariness and disappointment and the feeling that you are on an emotional roller coaster, be assured that you are not alone, not by any stretch of the imagination.

    I frankly believe that caregivers have a harder job to deal with than those of us who are fighting the disease. I really do. Now, you are among those caregivers, and I wish you well.

    I suggest that you remember this one thing before all others: to be a good caregiver, you have to take good care of the giver.

    I do not know, from your post, what the extent of your involvement is, but I assure you that the above holds true: you must take care of yourself if you are to provide proper care for mom. This means getting away from it, finding ways to enjoy yourself, being with friends.

    My wife, who is a nurse, and thus permitted to sleep on a cot next to me when I was inside (first go-round ... second time she got a couch :)) was whisked off by her friends (our friends) more than once for dinner and a drink or two, just to get her out of the hospital environment, for example.

    There ARE ovarian cancer survivors, by the way, Lisa. Some of them, some of them I know personally, are now nine-, 10-year survivors. There ARE ovarian cancer survivors, and every day that goes by brings more hope.

    My mom was, in fact, an ovarian cancer survivor who died of a different one.

    Finally, let me suggest that it is a roller coaster, or a merry-go-round, as you suggest, but that it is not cancer that is making it so. We have a lot to do with how we handle the disease, whether we are survivors or caregivers. Cancer has nothing to do with that. It cannot control that.

    I urge you to be a positive force, energetically so, in mom's survivorship. It will be of great help to both of you.

    I wish your mom and her family the very best.

    Take care,

    Joe

    Dear Joe
    Thank you for your remarkably insightful response. I am 49 years old and found out about this July 25 of this year. I reside in MN and fly back to NY to help out so I am not a primary caretaker, but a secondary one. My sister does much of the tough work and I fly in for a week and leave. You are correct. Leaving is essential. Arriving also seems to be essential to me as well. My life has changed. My priorities have changed. I have changed. My relationship to my mother has changed. Not sure I have caught up. Indeed, my responses are in my control, but I acknowledge a bit of impulsivity and unreality when it comes to expectations. By the way, that is not a new trait. LOL. Relativity is a good point. Compared to 1625 this is excellent. Adjustment of goals is a good thing. I did indeed get checked when the diagnosis was made and my CA-125 was elevated twice within a month and they removed my ovaries 6 weeks ago. Interestingly, I feel better than I have in a long time, and wonder if my Mother's bad news was my good luck. I will have my first post-op CA-125 check tomorrow. I am not worried.

    If I were to be honest with myself, I would say that I want to return to my old normal. I have not yet accepted that will never happen and delude myself when Mom is doing well, that i will get that. Intellectually I know that is not possible. She is putting up a valiant fight, and I see her losing weight, muscle mass, and some cognition. She feels strong, brave, and courageous. I observe a weakening older woman. We are both correct but that conflicting and accurate reality can create some interesting dynamic. Ultimately, I can intellectualize this all I want, but it's quite simple really, I am sad. I don't want her to have cancer. Thanks for your response.
  • Lisa13Q
    Lisa13Q Member Posts: 677
    NBTXGIRL said:

    I hate this disease too.
    Lisa,

    I am so sorry to hear about your mother. I, myself, am no stranger to the trials of cancer taking over a family. In 1996, my mother was dx with colon cancer, congestive heart failure and renal failure. I am the youngest of four children. My brother, Shawn (who lived here) and I would take turn helping my parents and my paternal grandparents. My sister and other brother live a couple of hours away from us. In 1999, my paternal grandfather was dx with prostate cancer. In February of 2000, Shawn died in a plane crash, which left Dad and I to handle Mom and my grandfather. In May of 2000, my paternal grandfather passed, so we moved my grandmother in with my parents. In August of 2000, my step grandfather passed, my maternal grandfather passed of lung cancer in the 70’s, and lost an uncle to lung cancer in the 80’s.

    In January of 2006, I lost my maternal grandmother to Parkinson’s disease. In June of 2006, we had to move my paternal grandmother into an assisted living facility because she was no longer able to walk and she would fall and have to wait for us to come home to lift her. On October 19th, my mother’s 65th birthday, my mother had trouble, so I tried to discuss hiring someone to come stay with her while Dad and I worked. She was a little upset with me for bringing it up. The morning of October 20th, she collapsed into a coma at the dialysis clinic. I was literally following the life flight helicopter with my mother, when I got the call that my paternal grandmother was passing. I ran day and night between my mom hospital and my grandmother nursing home, not wanting to leave either one of them. I lost my mom on October 25th and my grandmother on November 2nd, 2006.

    In May of 2009, my father complained of his hip hurting. Long story short, Stage IV colon cancer with mets to lungs, liver, spine, ribs and lymph nodes. My father went from working 16 hrs a day, to having emergency surgery, being confined to a wheel chair and having to move in with me, (colon tumor broke his hip). He has been hospitalized for over a week each month since. We have our good days and bad. I am constantly fighting his feelings of despair, pain, nausea, and lack of appetite. Sometimes I have to use tough love, which makes me feel guilty for being stern with him, but he usually feels better once he is doing something. Sometimes, I just let him rest. He is aware of everything that is happening. He recently chose to stop chemo treatments and I have had to respect his wishes. Now, we live every day to make wonderful memories.

    Lisa, I tell you all of this because whether you lose someone to cancer or a plane crash, cherish every moment for today. Every one of these people listed above, knew that I truly loved them and would do anything for them. I would jump on the merry go round a million more rides to have one more memory.

    Caregiving is the hardest job you will ever have to perform, but it will be the most rewarding.

    Best of luck to you and your mom and I pray that remission is in the near future.

    Thank You NBTXGIRL
    Yes, I am learning to enjoy each day. It's a weird new way to live for me. Everything has changed in that way and I am not used to it. AND along with that will come up days and down days. The rollercoaster...and honestly I have not yet learned to appreciate the down days yet...see my response to Joe...I think that was quite honest. I thank you for your story and insight. It helps make a tough day less tough...!