Antidepressants: the news is depressing when they are combined with tamoxifen

DrSusanHardwicke
DrSusanHardwicke Member Posts: 15
edited March 2014 in Breast Cancer #1
Breast cancer survivors who have had chemo brain, faced with an array of post-chemo treatment decisions, are now presented with an array of even more complex decisions as a result of research reported at this week's American Society of Clinical Oncologists (ASCO) annual meeting.

An Associated Press story ran the headline "Study: Drug combos may raise breast cancer risk" and described conclusions from a new study on combining certain antidepressants with a leading hormone suppressant medication tamoxifen:

About 500,000 women in the United States take tamoxifen, which cuts in half the chances of a breast cancer recurrence. Many of them also take antidepressants for hot flashes, because hormone pills aren't considered safe after breast cancer.

Doctors have long known that some antidepressants and other medicines can lower the amount of tamoxifen's active form in the bloodstream. But whether this affects cancer risk is unknown.

The new study, reported Saturday at a cancer conference in Florida, is the largest to look at the issue. It found that using these interfering drugs — including Prozac, Paxil or Zoloft — can virtually wipe out the benefit tamoxifen provides.(emphasis mine).

At the same conference, another study presents findings that would seem to support one of those drugs, Paxil, as an chemo brain treatment. A Wordpress blog interpreted the findings of a study to recommend antidepressants as a treatment for chem brain. The study involved only self-report of memory problems, and no physiological measures. While evidence exists that shows anxiety can have a serious impact on memory, little biochemical evidence exists to warrant antidepressant treatment for memory problems.

The news from ASCO regarding the negative effects of antidepressants when combined with tamoxifen should give all cancer survivors (not just breast cancer survivors) and medical professionals pause: the long-term consequences and the biomechanisms from selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are not sufficiently known to warrant widespread prescribing without very close follow-up.

The information explosion creates a challenge for cancer survivors: how to stay abreast of reputable studies that may affect them, and how to ensure their physicians are able to use that information in treating them.

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Comments

  • jnl
    jnl Member Posts: 3,869 Member
    hi
    I have read about that article and it is an awakening. I know several women in my support group that are on antidepressants and they are fearful that the tamoxifen is not working because of this article and because they have had no side effects except for the normal hot flashes that comes with being postmenopausal. This is something that I think anyone on these antidepressants and Tamoxifen need to think about and discuss with their doctor, don't you?
  • Kylez
    Kylez Member Posts: 3,761 Member
    Sorry, but this news is very
    Sorry, but this news is very depressing for those that are on antidepressants and tamoxifen. I wonder what will happen now.
  • creampuff91344
    creampuff91344 Member Posts: 988
    Kylez said:

    Sorry, but this news is very
    Sorry, but this news is very depressing for those that are on antidepressants and tamoxifen. I wonder what will happen now.

    Disturbing news to hear.
    Disturbing news to hear. Because of a neurological disorder caused by taking Reglan (generic metoclopramide), my neurologist has put me on Ativan. Although this is not an SSRI, I am wondering if it interferes with the Tamoxifen I am taking. Guess another question goes on my list of things to ask next doctor visit. There are so many people on Tamoxifen and antidepressants, I am sure this is going to cause a huge rethinking of what meds should be prescribed for which patient. This is indeed sad to hear, as those taking these drugs truly are in need of assistance from a depression standpoint, and certainly need the Tamoxifen to lessen their odds of recurrence.....what a delima. Judy
  • phoenixrising
    phoenixrising Member Posts: 1,508
    Kylez said:

    Sorry, but this news is very
    Sorry, but this news is very depressing for those that are on antidepressants and tamoxifen. I wonder what will happen now.

    Hi Kkylez
    Effexor (venlafaxine) seems to be the anti-depressant of choice for many docs that are concerned with this as it is one of the least interactive with Tamoxifen. At least that's how it seems to me from visiting this site and also breastcancer.org. There are also other anti-depressants available that don't affect the cyp2D6 gene, but they seem to have lost favour over the newer ones. So don't worry, there are lots of alternatives.
  • phoenixrising
    phoenixrising Member Posts: 1,508

    Disturbing news to hear.
    Disturbing news to hear. Because of a neurological disorder caused by taking Reglan (generic metoclopramide), my neurologist has put me on Ativan. Although this is not an SSRI, I am wondering if it interferes with the Tamoxifen I am taking. Guess another question goes on my list of things to ask next doctor visit. There are so many people on Tamoxifen and antidepressants, I am sure this is going to cause a huge rethinking of what meds should be prescribed for which patient. This is indeed sad to hear, as those taking these drugs truly are in need of assistance from a depression standpoint, and certainly need the Tamoxifen to lessen their odds of recurrence.....what a delima. Judy

    Judy, I posted a link to a
    Judy, I posted a link to a chart that shows what gene is responsible for specific drugs and also shows what inhibits it and what induces it. This link is on my post in Claudia's thread.
    This is all good to know but some drugs don't need a specific gene to metabolize them. It's also good to know (as the Mayo clinic recommends) to find out through gene testing if you metabolize Tamoxifen and to what degree. Check out the link for lorazepam as it is the generic to ativan.

    hugs
    jan
  • Jadie
    Jadie Member Posts: 723
    What about the aromatase
    What about the aromatase inhibitors (sp?) like Aromasin? Were they included in this test?
  • phoenixrising
    phoenixrising Member Posts: 1,508
    Jadie said:

    What about the aromatase
    What about the aromatase inhibitors (sp?) like Aromasin? Were they included in this test?

    Hi Jadie
    Aromasin is metabolized by the cyp3A4 gene. I don't know about the other AI's. You can check out the chart to see what inhibits or induces it. These past studies have only been about Tamoxifen and the cyp2D6 gene. Hope this helps :)
    jan
  • Noel
    Noel Member Posts: 3,095 Member

    Hi Jadie
    Aromasin is metabolized by the cyp3A4 gene. I don't know about the other AI's. You can check out the chart to see what inhibits or induces it. These past studies have only been about Tamoxifen and the cyp2D6 gene. Hope this helps :)
    jan

    Claudia posted this before.
    Claudia posted this before. This is sad for women that are on antidepressants and tamoxifen.