Recurrance after chemo,rads,tamoxifen

outdoorgirl
outdoorgirl Member Posts: 1,565
edited March 2014 in Breast Cancer #1
Hey,
Not to scare anybody out there but I was wondering if there was anyone in this discussion group who might have had stage2a invasive ductal cancer,had chemo,rads,and tamoxifen or aromatase inhibitors,and had a recurrance? Not like I think about it 24/7 and it hasn't happened to me,but I'm wondering if anyone has heard any percentages from their doctors or read anything? I havn't asked my oncs yet-havn't had the courage yet I guess. I'm not trying to put myself in the grave or anything-just curious...

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  • Jeanne D
    Jeanne D Member Posts: 1,867
    I can't answer inre to all
    I can't answer inre to all of the treatments you mentioned, but, I can answer for myself and my experience. I had breast cancer in my left breast in 1985. I had a lumpectomy with removal of all of my lymph nodes. I had 25 radiation treatments also. Tamoxifen, at that time, was experimental and not recommended to me. Chemo was not recommended as I had a small tumor with clean margins and clean lymph nodes. In January of this year, I was diagnosed with dcis and idc in my right breast. It is a NEW cancer, not a recurrance. So, 23 years later..I got breast cancer again. I am currently in radiation treatments and will start and at least try tamoxifen when I finish my radiation. I don't know if this helps you or not. I thought after 23 years that I was safe..I now realize..you are never safe.
  • Noel
    Noel Member Posts: 3,095 Member
    I think we are all curious.
    I think we are all curious. I think it is something that will be on my mind for the rest of my life..how could it not? I am not in denial nor stupid, so, you have to be aware it can happen.
  • Christmas Girl
    Christmas Girl Member Posts: 3,682 Member
    Hello, outdoor girl. This is our reality. There is no real CURE for breast cancer (hopefully, some day). The very best we can get out of currently available medical technology is remission/NED (no evidence of disease). Risk of recurrence varies by individual patient, their own unique circumstances & the success level of their treatments. If I had stopped after surgery, my own recurrence risk would've been 60% (and, within 3 years). After chemo & rads - risk lowered to 20%. For me, the Tamoxifen (2 years) & now the Arimidex (3+ years & counting) merely MAINTAINS that 20% level. I did not have the courage to actually ask my onc this specific question - about "where am I now, %-wise?" - until just last month, 5 year anniversary of completing all "invasive" treatment (surgery/chemo/rads). Honestly, I almost fell out of my chair - I was so utterly disappointed. I had expected that number to have lowered over time.

    For all out there who may be reading this post: please, do NOT be unnecessarily frightened! Even with treatment similar to mine - your own risk level COULD BE MUCH LOWER! If you do not know & want to - please, you must ask your own doctor. Do NOT assume any similarities to my situation.

    All of us here within this amazing group are living, breathing examples of breast cancer SURVIVORS. And, there are MILLIONS like us - including ALL types of cancer - alive within the US today. Nevertheless, the statistics are staggering. 1 in 7 US women are diagnosed with BC each year. Of those diagnosed, the disease will claim 20%. I sincerely believe these statistics, this knowledge, and our collective experiences inspire so many of us to become BC activists. That's what I did, turned my fear & anger into action. It's great (and "holistic") therapy; at least, for me it is. I promote awareness, donate $, do the ACS MSABC walk each year, wear my pink ribbon pins & jewelry, remind all the women I know about their mammograms & self-exams, etc., etc., etc. ... All with big & heartfelt hopes for the future, a truly cancer-free future.

    In the meantime, I am GRATEFUL - daily - for my current NED status. And, continue to hope to be so for a long, long time.

    Kind regards, Susan
  • ritazimm
    ritazimm Member Posts: 171

    Hello, outdoor girl. This is our reality. There is no real CURE for breast cancer (hopefully, some day). The very best we can get out of currently available medical technology is remission/NED (no evidence of disease). Risk of recurrence varies by individual patient, their own unique circumstances & the success level of their treatments. If I had stopped after surgery, my own recurrence risk would've been 60% (and, within 3 years). After chemo & rads - risk lowered to 20%. For me, the Tamoxifen (2 years) & now the Arimidex (3+ years & counting) merely MAINTAINS that 20% level. I did not have the courage to actually ask my onc this specific question - about "where am I now, %-wise?" - until just last month, 5 year anniversary of completing all "invasive" treatment (surgery/chemo/rads). Honestly, I almost fell out of my chair - I was so utterly disappointed. I had expected that number to have lowered over time.

    For all out there who may be reading this post: please, do NOT be unnecessarily frightened! Even with treatment similar to mine - your own risk level COULD BE MUCH LOWER! If you do not know & want to - please, you must ask your own doctor. Do NOT assume any similarities to my situation.

    All of us here within this amazing group are living, breathing examples of breast cancer SURVIVORS. And, there are MILLIONS like us - including ALL types of cancer - alive within the US today. Nevertheless, the statistics are staggering. 1 in 7 US women are diagnosed with BC each year. Of those diagnosed, the disease will claim 20%. I sincerely believe these statistics, this knowledge, and our collective experiences inspire so many of us to become BC activists. That's what I did, turned my fear & anger into action. It's great (and "holistic") therapy; at least, for me it is. I promote awareness, donate $, do the ACS MSABC walk each year, wear my pink ribbon pins & jewelry, remind all the women I know about their mammograms & self-exams, etc., etc., etc. ... All with big & heartfelt hopes for the future, a truly cancer-free future.

    In the meantime, I am GRATEFUL - daily - for my current NED status. And, continue to hope to be so for a long, long time.

    Kind regards, Susan

    BC activist
    Hi Susan. Good for you!! I am so proud of your work as a BC activist. I wish I could be that way but right now I'm not. Were you always that focused on BC prevention since your diagnosis or did ti come later?

    For a while, when I was going through chemo and radiation, I was big into the pink ribbon stuff. Maybe I just hoped that others would understand why I looked so different? I really don't know why but somewhere along the way I just can't bring myself to display it right now. Did you go through this at all? I am seriously considering getting a group together to do the Relay for Life walk and this would be a big step for me. Although I don't personally live a life in denial, I guess maybe publically I do.

    Just wondering if you may have gone through this stage as well?

    Thanks,
    Rita
  • outdoorgirl
    outdoorgirl Member Posts: 1,565

    Hello, outdoor girl. This is our reality. There is no real CURE for breast cancer (hopefully, some day). The very best we can get out of currently available medical technology is remission/NED (no evidence of disease). Risk of recurrence varies by individual patient, their own unique circumstances & the success level of their treatments. If I had stopped after surgery, my own recurrence risk would've been 60% (and, within 3 years). After chemo & rads - risk lowered to 20%. For me, the Tamoxifen (2 years) & now the Arimidex (3+ years & counting) merely MAINTAINS that 20% level. I did not have the courage to actually ask my onc this specific question - about "where am I now, %-wise?" - until just last month, 5 year anniversary of completing all "invasive" treatment (surgery/chemo/rads). Honestly, I almost fell out of my chair - I was so utterly disappointed. I had expected that number to have lowered over time.

    For all out there who may be reading this post: please, do NOT be unnecessarily frightened! Even with treatment similar to mine - your own risk level COULD BE MUCH LOWER! If you do not know & want to - please, you must ask your own doctor. Do NOT assume any similarities to my situation.

    All of us here within this amazing group are living, breathing examples of breast cancer SURVIVORS. And, there are MILLIONS like us - including ALL types of cancer - alive within the US today. Nevertheless, the statistics are staggering. 1 in 7 US women are diagnosed with BC each year. Of those diagnosed, the disease will claim 20%. I sincerely believe these statistics, this knowledge, and our collective experiences inspire so many of us to become BC activists. That's what I did, turned my fear & anger into action. It's great (and "holistic") therapy; at least, for me it is. I promote awareness, donate $, do the ACS MSABC walk each year, wear my pink ribbon pins & jewelry, remind all the women I know about their mammograms & self-exams, etc., etc., etc. ... All with big & heartfelt hopes for the future, a truly cancer-free future.

    In the meantime, I am GRATEFUL - daily - for my current NED status. And, continue to hope to be so for a long, long time.

    Kind regards, Susan

    Thanks for your advice!
    Susan,
    Thanks for your facts and your advice. Once again, it is so nice to know that we can speak our minds on here and everyone understands! And I wouldn't want my worst enemy to get cancer,but I think the only people who can really understand are those of us who are going through it and who have been through it.It's nice to have each other!
  • Christmas Girl
    Christmas Girl Member Posts: 3,682 Member
    ritazimm said:

    BC activist
    Hi Susan. Good for you!! I am so proud of your work as a BC activist. I wish I could be that way but right now I'm not. Were you always that focused on BC prevention since your diagnosis or did ti come later?

    For a while, when I was going through chemo and radiation, I was big into the pink ribbon stuff. Maybe I just hoped that others would understand why I looked so different? I really don't know why but somewhere along the way I just can't bring myself to display it right now. Did you go through this at all? I am seriously considering getting a group together to do the Relay for Life walk and this would be a big step for me. Although I don't personally live a life in denial, I guess maybe publically I do.

    Just wondering if you may have gone through this stage as well?

    Thanks,
    Rita

    Thank you, ritazimm!
    Thank you for your kind words, Rita. Much appreciated, and means a lot to me. To answer your question... No, I have certainly not always been a BC activist. Following my initial surgery consultation appointment, the nurse gave me a folder full of important info. When I got home, I found a little pink ribbon pin (my first one) in the bottom of one of the folder pockets. I threw it across the room, and cried like crazy. Although I was alone (my husband had accompanied me; then, dropped me off & headed to work, late) - I remember clearly yelling out loud: "I don't want THAT!" Of course, what I really meant was that I didn't want the breast cancer itself. At home after surgery, and during a day my Mom was with me - she accepted a flower delivery. I opened the box & found 2 dozen long-stemmed, exquisite pink roses, with white baby's breath & ferns to accompany. They were from 2 of my dearest friends (1 dozen from each of them). I was somewhat puzzled by the pink (dummy I was, still in denial!), since my 2 friends both love very bright & intense colors. My Mom noticed my facial expression & asked: "What's wrong?" I told her that I would have expected red, orange, purple, bright yellow - anything but pink - from them. After a long moment of silence, she quietly said to me: "But, honey, this is your color now. A pink rose is the same as the pink ribbon." Like a spoiled rotten toddler, I told my Mom she could take them home or throw them away because I didn't want them. Again, I cried. Mom instructed me to go lay down on the couch & take a nap. Which I did. When I awoke, my Mom was gone. On the kitchen counter, there were my pink roses - perfectly arranged in one of my vases. A note from Mom said: "These are beautiful, just like you." That vase of pink roses took its place on my living room mantel. And they miraculously outlasted all of the other post-surgery flower arrangements I'd received. The longest-lasting roses I've ever had in my entire life. I took that as a sign. To this day, I keep 2 dozen silk roses in a vase on my mantel. Both of those friends now live out of state; so, those pink roses hold even more meaning for me than the original ones.

    Another out-of-state friend sent to me 2 "rubber band" style bracelets: a pink one for BC, and a yellow "Livestrong" (Lance Armstrong's foundation) one. I put them both on immediately, mostly to feel connected to her. Wore them every day, on my right (BC side) wrist. Took them off only for showering & sleeping at night. Last month, I hit my 5 year anniversary of completion of all invasive treatment. Finally put them away in my BC keepsake box, along with all the encouraging notecards & letters received from family & loved ones, amongst many other related special trinkets. I now have several different bracelets, actual jewelry. I collect them, and people continue to give them to me. However, I no longer wear one all the time.

    My chemo began in September. For blocks around the hospital, BC awareness posters & pink ribbon signage began to appear everywhere in preparation for October - BC Awareness Month. I was amazed & gained much hope from this display. I began to pray that if given a chance at life - I'd do something to "give back" & help others. And, I told this to anyone who would listen. At that time, I had absolutely no idea what that would turn out to be. I didn't actually "do" anything until I felt I had healed sufficiently from surgery/chemo/rads - about a year later. But, while I was recovering - I did do lots of research, with much careful consideration.

    I have a pink ribbon pin attached to every jacket & coat I own. And, I have pink ribbon keychains & such dangling from every purse. These, to me, are very small & silent - yet public - statements for awareness. They're not FOR me - they're not ABOUT me. They are unobtrusive, yet obvious, reminders for everyone else. That's just my own personal perspective.

    Not long ago at the grocery store, I noticed that the cashier was wearing a pink ribbon pin. After I paid & she thanked me for the purchase, I thanked her for wearing the pin & promoting awareness (which I ALWAYS do if provided with the chance) - without identifying myself as a BC survivor, which I RARELY do. She told me she wears it every day for her grandmother & her mother. This sort of scenario has happened many, many times over the years. Almost all of my nurses, therapists, etc. wear the pink ribbon - in some form or fashion... And not just for their professions; but, on behalf of their mothers, sisters, aunts, friends, etc. ...

    I apologize for my rambling post! I guess I meant for you to understand that I got to where I am on this subject very gradually. It wasn't immediate, nor automatic. This is very, very personal - and, we must each decide what feels right & comfortable for ourselves as individuals. The first Relay for Life I participated in was as a survivor, several years ago. At one point I began to cry; and within moments, I was being "group hugged" by about 20 other cancer survivors! Last year, I attended another at the invitation of a neighbor. I did not cry at that one; but, comforted a BC survivor who did. A good example of my own personal evolution, I'd say. Both of those experiences were, for me, somber - yet, joyful & hopeful, at the same time.

    Whatever way is right for YOU, Rita - you will know, with time. Please decide based only on YOUR own comfort level. Just follow your heart. No one is obligated to do any of this sort of thing. That's the real beauty of volunteer activities! Best wishes to you, and...

    Kind regards, Susan
  • fauxma
    fauxma Member Posts: 3,577 Member

    Thank you, ritazimm!
    Thank you for your kind words, Rita. Much appreciated, and means a lot to me. To answer your question... No, I have certainly not always been a BC activist. Following my initial surgery consultation appointment, the nurse gave me a folder full of important info. When I got home, I found a little pink ribbon pin (my first one) in the bottom of one of the folder pockets. I threw it across the room, and cried like crazy. Although I was alone (my husband had accompanied me; then, dropped me off & headed to work, late) - I remember clearly yelling out loud: "I don't want THAT!" Of course, what I really meant was that I didn't want the breast cancer itself. At home after surgery, and during a day my Mom was with me - she accepted a flower delivery. I opened the box & found 2 dozen long-stemmed, exquisite pink roses, with white baby's breath & ferns to accompany. They were from 2 of my dearest friends (1 dozen from each of them). I was somewhat puzzled by the pink (dummy I was, still in denial!), since my 2 friends both love very bright & intense colors. My Mom noticed my facial expression & asked: "What's wrong?" I told her that I would have expected red, orange, purple, bright yellow - anything but pink - from them. After a long moment of silence, she quietly said to me: "But, honey, this is your color now. A pink rose is the same as the pink ribbon." Like a spoiled rotten toddler, I told my Mom she could take them home or throw them away because I didn't want them. Again, I cried. Mom instructed me to go lay down on the couch & take a nap. Which I did. When I awoke, my Mom was gone. On the kitchen counter, there were my pink roses - perfectly arranged in one of my vases. A note from Mom said: "These are beautiful, just like you." That vase of pink roses took its place on my living room mantel. And they miraculously outlasted all of the other post-surgery flower arrangements I'd received. The longest-lasting roses I've ever had in my entire life. I took that as a sign. To this day, I keep 2 dozen silk roses in a vase on my mantel. Both of those friends now live out of state; so, those pink roses hold even more meaning for me than the original ones.

    Another out-of-state friend sent to me 2 "rubber band" style bracelets: a pink one for BC, and a yellow "Livestrong" (Lance Armstrong's foundation) one. I put them both on immediately, mostly to feel connected to her. Wore them every day, on my right (BC side) wrist. Took them off only for showering & sleeping at night. Last month, I hit my 5 year anniversary of completion of all invasive treatment. Finally put them away in my BC keepsake box, along with all the encouraging notecards & letters received from family & loved ones, amongst many other related special trinkets. I now have several different bracelets, actual jewelry. I collect them, and people continue to give them to me. However, I no longer wear one all the time.

    My chemo began in September. For blocks around the hospital, BC awareness posters & pink ribbon signage began to appear everywhere in preparation for October - BC Awareness Month. I was amazed & gained much hope from this display. I began to pray that if given a chance at life - I'd do something to "give back" & help others. And, I told this to anyone who would listen. At that time, I had absolutely no idea what that would turn out to be. I didn't actually "do" anything until I felt I had healed sufficiently from surgery/chemo/rads - about a year later. But, while I was recovering - I did do lots of research, with much careful consideration.

    I have a pink ribbon pin attached to every jacket & coat I own. And, I have pink ribbon keychains & such dangling from every purse. These, to me, are very small & silent - yet public - statements for awareness. They're not FOR me - they're not ABOUT me. They are unobtrusive, yet obvious, reminders for everyone else. That's just my own personal perspective.

    Not long ago at the grocery store, I noticed that the cashier was wearing a pink ribbon pin. After I paid & she thanked me for the purchase, I thanked her for wearing the pin & promoting awareness (which I ALWAYS do if provided with the chance) - without identifying myself as a BC survivor, which I RARELY do. She told me she wears it every day for her grandmother & her mother. This sort of scenario has happened many, many times over the years. Almost all of my nurses, therapists, etc. wear the pink ribbon - in some form or fashion... And not just for their professions; but, on behalf of their mothers, sisters, aunts, friends, etc. ...

    I apologize for my rambling post! I guess I meant for you to understand that I got to where I am on this subject very gradually. It wasn't immediate, nor automatic. This is very, very personal - and, we must each decide what feels right & comfortable for ourselves as individuals. The first Relay for Life I participated in was as a survivor, several years ago. At one point I began to cry; and within moments, I was being "group hugged" by about 20 other cancer survivors! Last year, I attended another at the invitation of a neighbor. I did not cry at that one; but, comforted a BC survivor who did. A good example of my own personal evolution, I'd say. Both of those experiences were, for me, somber - yet, joyful & hopeful, at the same time.

    Whatever way is right for YOU, Rita - you will know, with time. Please decide based only on YOUR own comfort level. Just follow your heart. No one is obligated to do any of this sort of thing. That's the real beauty of volunteer activities! Best wishes to you, and...

    Kind regards, Susan

    Definitely not a ramble
    Susan,
    That was not a ramble but an inspiration. I could see your fear, denial, exasperation, anger as you wrote. I could see the pink pin in your hand and the pink roses and sense what they meant to you. And these things do become part of our journey.
    When I had my first cancer, a friend gave me two things, a little ceramic fairy holding the word HOPE and a beautiful angel pin. When I had my hysterectomy for uterine cancer I had my pin with me. When I was recovering and ready to be released there was this charming 75 year old woman in the bed next to me. In the 5 days I was in the hospital we had grown close. She was there to have surgery for breast cancer but she had an infection they were treating first. When I was discharged I gave her my angel pin for her journey. I also gave her daughter my phone number. Some time later, maybe a year or two, I got a call from her. Her mom had passed away (not from the cancer) and she wanted me to know that her mother wore that pin for a long time and then gave it to someone that was having surgery. I see this pin travelling from person to person and giving comfort to the owner. And my little HOPE fairy. I kept her until a good friend was diagnosed with uterine cancer and I passed her on to her. She also passed this fairy on to a mutual friend. When my sister was diagnosed with cancer in early 2008, this friend gave her the fairy. She wanted to give it to me when I was diagnosed in October of 2008 but she was still so deep into her treatments that I told her that I still hold the HOPE of that little fairy and I do. I told her when she was ready to find someone who needed that HOPE and pass her on then. I too have momentos of my journeys. I don't think of them as bad or sad or even reminders. They are just a part of who I am now. And when I look at them, I realize how lucky I am. I am looking at them, living and doing all the things I love and still here. I try not to let these cancers rob me of today because then it wins and I am not about to let cancer win. Cancer does not define me. It was and is a part of me and I don't delude myself that it can't come back as a recurrence or a new cancer but I will deal with that only if it comes back. Right now I am alive and I celebrate it. Susan you advise about comfort levels, and doing what is right for yourself and following the heart is so true.
    There is no right or wrong way to feel or deal with cancer. There is just "your way". The way that works for you. We are each so unique and so are our reactions. And we learn so much from the deversity that we bring to this board. If one piece of advice doesn't work maybe another will. I love this board and the wonderful people on it.
    Stef
  • ritazimm
    ritazimm Member Posts: 171

    Thank you, ritazimm!
    Thank you for your kind words, Rita. Much appreciated, and means a lot to me. To answer your question... No, I have certainly not always been a BC activist. Following my initial surgery consultation appointment, the nurse gave me a folder full of important info. When I got home, I found a little pink ribbon pin (my first one) in the bottom of one of the folder pockets. I threw it across the room, and cried like crazy. Although I was alone (my husband had accompanied me; then, dropped me off & headed to work, late) - I remember clearly yelling out loud: "I don't want THAT!" Of course, what I really meant was that I didn't want the breast cancer itself. At home after surgery, and during a day my Mom was with me - she accepted a flower delivery. I opened the box & found 2 dozen long-stemmed, exquisite pink roses, with white baby's breath & ferns to accompany. They were from 2 of my dearest friends (1 dozen from each of them). I was somewhat puzzled by the pink (dummy I was, still in denial!), since my 2 friends both love very bright & intense colors. My Mom noticed my facial expression & asked: "What's wrong?" I told her that I would have expected red, orange, purple, bright yellow - anything but pink - from them. After a long moment of silence, she quietly said to me: "But, honey, this is your color now. A pink rose is the same as the pink ribbon." Like a spoiled rotten toddler, I told my Mom she could take them home or throw them away because I didn't want them. Again, I cried. Mom instructed me to go lay down on the couch & take a nap. Which I did. When I awoke, my Mom was gone. On the kitchen counter, there were my pink roses - perfectly arranged in one of my vases. A note from Mom said: "These are beautiful, just like you." That vase of pink roses took its place on my living room mantel. And they miraculously outlasted all of the other post-surgery flower arrangements I'd received. The longest-lasting roses I've ever had in my entire life. I took that as a sign. To this day, I keep 2 dozen silk roses in a vase on my mantel. Both of those friends now live out of state; so, those pink roses hold even more meaning for me than the original ones.

    Another out-of-state friend sent to me 2 "rubber band" style bracelets: a pink one for BC, and a yellow "Livestrong" (Lance Armstrong's foundation) one. I put them both on immediately, mostly to feel connected to her. Wore them every day, on my right (BC side) wrist. Took them off only for showering & sleeping at night. Last month, I hit my 5 year anniversary of completion of all invasive treatment. Finally put them away in my BC keepsake box, along with all the encouraging notecards & letters received from family & loved ones, amongst many other related special trinkets. I now have several different bracelets, actual jewelry. I collect them, and people continue to give them to me. However, I no longer wear one all the time.

    My chemo began in September. For blocks around the hospital, BC awareness posters & pink ribbon signage began to appear everywhere in preparation for October - BC Awareness Month. I was amazed & gained much hope from this display. I began to pray that if given a chance at life - I'd do something to "give back" & help others. And, I told this to anyone who would listen. At that time, I had absolutely no idea what that would turn out to be. I didn't actually "do" anything until I felt I had healed sufficiently from surgery/chemo/rads - about a year later. But, while I was recovering - I did do lots of research, with much careful consideration.

    I have a pink ribbon pin attached to every jacket & coat I own. And, I have pink ribbon keychains & such dangling from every purse. These, to me, are very small & silent - yet public - statements for awareness. They're not FOR me - they're not ABOUT me. They are unobtrusive, yet obvious, reminders for everyone else. That's just my own personal perspective.

    Not long ago at the grocery store, I noticed that the cashier was wearing a pink ribbon pin. After I paid & she thanked me for the purchase, I thanked her for wearing the pin & promoting awareness (which I ALWAYS do if provided with the chance) - without identifying myself as a BC survivor, which I RARELY do. She told me she wears it every day for her grandmother & her mother. This sort of scenario has happened many, many times over the years. Almost all of my nurses, therapists, etc. wear the pink ribbon - in some form or fashion... And not just for their professions; but, on behalf of their mothers, sisters, aunts, friends, etc. ...

    I apologize for my rambling post! I guess I meant for you to understand that I got to where I am on this subject very gradually. It wasn't immediate, nor automatic. This is very, very personal - and, we must each decide what feels right & comfortable for ourselves as individuals. The first Relay for Life I participated in was as a survivor, several years ago. At one point I began to cry; and within moments, I was being "group hugged" by about 20 other cancer survivors! Last year, I attended another at the invitation of a neighbor. I did not cry at that one; but, comforted a BC survivor who did. A good example of my own personal evolution, I'd say. Both of those experiences were, for me, somber - yet, joyful & hopeful, at the same time.

    Whatever way is right for YOU, Rita - you will know, with time. Please decide based only on YOUR own comfort level. Just follow your heart. No one is obligated to do any of this sort of thing. That's the real beauty of volunteer activities! Best wishes to you, and...

    Kind regards, Susan

    Thank you for your Inspiration
    Thank you so much Susan! I'm sitting here reading this at work and crying my eyes out.

    I guess I have such a hard time allowing myself to just be me. I have always seen these women that have had breast cancer/any cancer that have used their experience to help others and I feel so terrible that I am not ready to do that! From the time I finished treatment I felt like I needed to do something to turn this experience into something meaningful. I haven't found that comfort spot yet. My friends tell me that I expect too much too soon and that I need to just relax for a while and let things happen as I am comfortable. I guess I think that they just don't understand but it is such a relief to hear it from someone that really does know. (Thus the flood of tears on my desk.) So from the bottom of my heart, I thank you, thank you, thank you for your words of wisdom!

    (Guess I need to go freshen up now!)

    :) Rita
  • Christmas Girl
    Christmas Girl Member Posts: 3,682 Member
    fauxma said:

    Definitely not a ramble
    Susan,
    That was not a ramble but an inspiration. I could see your fear, denial, exasperation, anger as you wrote. I could see the pink pin in your hand and the pink roses and sense what they meant to you. And these things do become part of our journey.
    When I had my first cancer, a friend gave me two things, a little ceramic fairy holding the word HOPE and a beautiful angel pin. When I had my hysterectomy for uterine cancer I had my pin with me. When I was recovering and ready to be released there was this charming 75 year old woman in the bed next to me. In the 5 days I was in the hospital we had grown close. She was there to have surgery for breast cancer but she had an infection they were treating first. When I was discharged I gave her my angel pin for her journey. I also gave her daughter my phone number. Some time later, maybe a year or two, I got a call from her. Her mom had passed away (not from the cancer) and she wanted me to know that her mother wore that pin for a long time and then gave it to someone that was having surgery. I see this pin travelling from person to person and giving comfort to the owner. And my little HOPE fairy. I kept her until a good friend was diagnosed with uterine cancer and I passed her on to her. She also passed this fairy on to a mutual friend. When my sister was diagnosed with cancer in early 2008, this friend gave her the fairy. She wanted to give it to me when I was diagnosed in October of 2008 but she was still so deep into her treatments that I told her that I still hold the HOPE of that little fairy and I do. I told her when she was ready to find someone who needed that HOPE and pass her on then. I too have momentos of my journeys. I don't think of them as bad or sad or even reminders. They are just a part of who I am now. And when I look at them, I realize how lucky I am. I am looking at them, living and doing all the things I love and still here. I try not to let these cancers rob me of today because then it wins and I am not about to let cancer win. Cancer does not define me. It was and is a part of me and I don't delude myself that it can't come back as a recurrence or a new cancer but I will deal with that only if it comes back. Right now I am alive and I celebrate it. Susan you advise about comfort levels, and doing what is right for yourself and following the heart is so true.
    There is no right or wrong way to feel or deal with cancer. There is just "your way". The way that works for you. We are each so unique and so are our reactions. And we learn so much from the deversity that we bring to this board. If one piece of advice doesn't work maybe another will. I love this board and the wonderful people on it.
    Stef

    Thanks for sharing, Stef!
    I was moved by your post & feel our kinship, Stef. Now I understand the meaning behind your fairy tatoo! That little fairy will ALWAYS be with you, and the HOPE she provided remains within your heart. All the while, the actual fairy figurine travels from one to another in need, your own personal way of "paying it forward" - you are a kind & giving person. How absolutely & amazingly wonderful to think of your original fairy & angel pin - such "little" things - traveling their own respective journeys, to provide such meaningful inspiration to others. Thanks, again, for sharing!

    I know you will appreciate this: While I was undergoing treatment, I received a greeting card that included a silver token. On one side, the word: HOPE. On the other side: DON'T GIVE UP. That little medal hung in my kitchen for several years. Then, a dear friend - so badly wanting her first baby - was undergoing fertility treatments that were wreaking havoc on her heart, emotions & mind. I passed that token to her, along with the story behind it. And, she cried when I gave it to her. It still hangs from a ribbon attached to the corner of her computer. And she now has 2 beautiful children!

    I certainly don't have "all the answers" - not for me, not for others - and, quite honestly, have just NOW begun to accept that I never will. Life after BC is a series of changes & adjustments, a learning curve that never ends. So be it. I'll take it, and accept all of it - whatever comes my way - with grace & dignity (well... at least MOST days!), one day at a time. :-)

    Couldn't agree with you more, dear. The folks here are unbelievably wonderful; and, ALL are to be admired & respected. So glad to be here, I am.

    Kind regards, Susan
  • Christmas Girl
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    Thanks for your advice!
    Susan,
    Thanks for your facts and your advice. Once again, it is so nice to know that we can speak our minds on here and everyone understands! And I wouldn't want my worst enemy to get cancer,but I think the only people who can really understand are those of us who are going through it and who have been through it.It's nice to have each other!

    To outdoorgirl...
    Yes, dear. Couldn't possibly agree more. If we cannot be truly & openly honest here, no matter what's on our minds & within our souls, then where CAN we be? Our cancer experiences, and all that accompanies them, can only be understood by others who live them. Am so glad to be here.

    Kind regards, Susan
  • Christmas Girl
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    ritazimm said:

    Thank you for your Inspiration
    Thank you so much Susan! I'm sitting here reading this at work and crying my eyes out.

    I guess I have such a hard time allowing myself to just be me. I have always seen these women that have had breast cancer/any cancer that have used their experience to help others and I feel so terrible that I am not ready to do that! From the time I finished treatment I felt like I needed to do something to turn this experience into something meaningful. I haven't found that comfort spot yet. My friends tell me that I expect too much too soon and that I need to just relax for a while and let things happen as I am comfortable. I guess I think that they just don't understand but it is such a relief to hear it from someone that really does know. (Thus the flood of tears on my desk.) So from the bottom of my heart, I thank you, thank you, thank you for your words of wisdom!

    (Guess I need to go freshen up now!)

    :) Rita

    Oooh, Rita :-(
    Oh, dear! I am so sorry my post made you cry - at work, even worse! I think you have caring & wise friends; and, am glad you do! :-) And, I think I agree with them - you are probably expecting way too much of yourself, much too soon. I guess my rambling post was worth it, though, if you feel better about where you are in all of this. I so wanted you to understand that I didn't quickly get to where I am now. Could've summed it up better by simply suggesting that you need to HEAL before you choose YOUR own way.

    You'll get there, Rita. I know you will. When YOU are ready for it, whatever that may turn out to be, you will just know. In the mean time, take a deep breath & relax. Now, go back to work!!! (Just kidding!)

    Kind regards, Susan