Back in the hospital: burning hot diarrhea info
For those of you that have read my posts about boiling hot diarrhea, I finally had this explained by a friend who is a nurse that works on research for anti-cancer drug clinical trials (although she doesn't work with colon cancer trials). She told me that chemotherapy drugs attack not only cancer cells but also rapidly dividing cells in the digestive track. I already know this, but I was not really aware that the intestines, all the way down to the anus, are lined with a protective layer of mucus producing membranes. With the chemotherapy drugs, these cells are often the first to be attacked and, in some unlucky patients, this layer of cells is completely obliterated. I'm one of these unlucky patients, which leaves my poor, poor anus with no protection from acids that are excreted. I think that there is a lack of nerves inside the intestinal track until you get to the anus, so this is where the discomfort happens. And when you combine that discomfort with an anal fissure, then you are in for more fun. Oh my god, that is sheer hell. The "fortunate" thing about this situation is that the cells along the digestive track replicates quickly, so that the healing process might take two or three days. For me it's more like three or four days, but I now know the story so I have a better understanding.
Is there any solution to the problem? I considered spraying the anal area with orajel or some kind of novocaine, but I fear that there is probably some kind of detrimental effect from that. But there is a new drug coming out possibly soon called a Keratinocyte Growth Factor being produced by a company call Amgen. This supposedly bulks up the protective coating of the digestive track, and should hopefully alleviate this unfortunate side effect of chemo. I intend to ask my oncologist when he does rounds tomorrow.
I'll let you know his response.
Thanks,
Rodney
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Hi Ron,
Your post made me giggle.....the thought of orajel was very creative - but I too would worry about possible side effects. Can you imagine the pharmacists face if you were to ask??lol
Byron uses an ointment called Bag Balm. It comes in a green tin and is similar to vaseline in attributes, but has other components that seem to make it more soothing for him.
He does not have a fissure but lately has said he feels like he has to have a really big bm but only has "boiling hot diarrhea" and feels little relief when he is done. He had a sig and there was no blockage so they sent us on our way.
I think I mentioned to you before that he is taking all kinds of supplements - two of which are specifically designed for the digestive track. We buy our vitamins from Shaklee. The two I'm referring to are called Optiflora Prebiotic and Probiotic Complex. They have a website that will give you all the info on the products. This one specifically works on keeping the "good bacteria" alive and well in your dig sys - hopefully protecting your membranes. Byron finished 12 rounds of chemo before this sensation came up - so maybe it helped a bit???
Doc says he's done with chemo for a bit???? CT scan on Aug 16th to see how his liver is doing - a trip to ER 2 weeks ago showed it was much clearer than before. We are praying for NED!!! I've seen alot of that around here lately and we want to participate!! Will be praying for you too as you continue along this journey.
Hilary0 -
Hilary,hillby said:Hi Ron,
Your post made me giggle.....the thought of orajel was very creative - but I too would worry about possible side effects. Can you imagine the pharmacists face if you were to ask??lol
Byron uses an ointment called Bag Balm. It comes in a green tin and is similar to vaseline in attributes, but has other components that seem to make it more soothing for him.
He does not have a fissure but lately has said he feels like he has to have a really big bm but only has "boiling hot diarrhea" and feels little relief when he is done. He had a sig and there was no blockage so they sent us on our way.
I think I mentioned to you before that he is taking all kinds of supplements - two of which are specifically designed for the digestive track. We buy our vitamins from Shaklee. The two I'm referring to are called Optiflora Prebiotic and Probiotic Complex. They have a website that will give you all the info on the products. This one specifically works on keeping the "good bacteria" alive and well in your dig sys - hopefully protecting your membranes. Byron finished 12 rounds of chemo before this sensation came up - so maybe it helped a bit???
Doc says he's done with chemo for a bit???? CT scan on Aug 16th to see how his liver is doing - a trip to ER 2 weeks ago showed it was much clearer than before. We are praying for NED!!! I've seen alot of that around here lately and we want to participate!! Will be praying for you too as you continue along this journey.
Hilary
There has been a lot of good NED reports on CSN lately, which I find so nice because 1) I am really happy for all those people and 2) it gives me hope each time I read about it.
Was Byron using the Optiflora Prebiotic and Probiotic Complex during treatments? I intend to look these up on the internet. For the fissure, I use Proctofoam HC for the inside of that area and Analpram HC for the outside of that area, and I have to say that a sitz bath is a great way to spend an afternoon. But these medications are useless in combatting the pain of boiling hot diarrhea as it is happening. I'm thinking of using the sitz bag as a sort of bodet during the process of expelling this diarrhea. I haven't tried this yet so I don't know if it's practical. But it's worth a try.
By the way, my sister always makes me write cancer-updates when I am in the hospital getting chemo. The last two have been about the hot diarrhea and the anal fissure. They are admittedly quite graphic and full of detail, but hey...she asked for them. If you want I can email them to you. Just send me a note through CSN with a real email address.
I wish you and Byron the absolute best on the upcoming scans!
Rodney0 -
Dear Rodney,rthornton said:Hilary,
There has been a lot of good NED reports on CSN lately, which I find so nice because 1) I am really happy for all those people and 2) it gives me hope each time I read about it.
Was Byron using the Optiflora Prebiotic and Probiotic Complex during treatments? I intend to look these up on the internet. For the fissure, I use Proctofoam HC for the inside of that area and Analpram HC for the outside of that area, and I have to say that a sitz bath is a great way to spend an afternoon. But these medications are useless in combatting the pain of boiling hot diarrhea as it is happening. I'm thinking of using the sitz bag as a sort of bodet during the process of expelling this diarrhea. I haven't tried this yet so I don't know if it's practical. But it's worth a try.
By the way, my sister always makes me write cancer-updates when I am in the hospital getting chemo. The last two have been about the hot diarrhea and the anal fissure. They are admittedly quite graphic and full of detail, but hey...she asked for them. If you want I can email them to you. Just send me a note through CSN with a real email address.
I wish you and Byron the absolute best on the upcoming scans!
Rodney
I don't think the oragel idea is bad at all. In fact, I would ask about some lidocain ointment for that tender area. Seems like the least they could provide. Pain relief is always my top priority. I am a baby with pain. I dread my yearly colon blow prep for the colonoscopy. I don't want it to burn also. Hope you feel better soon.
CindyBob0 -
Rodney,
I had an anal fissure way back when, that probably prevented my doctor from finding my rectal tumor. After durn near dying from acute perotinitis from a perforated colon, my surgeon was tying to do a flex sig test. He had seen me deal with pain but not that kind. I was off the table, I think I scared him. He then did a minor outpatient procedure to "fix" the fissure and everything has been fine ever since (that was 2 years ago). AND I recently had a flex sig test that was a piece of cake (it's all relative if you get my jist).
I completly agree with Hilary about the probiotics to get your GI tract happy with the "healthy good bacteria" to ward off the nasty effects of the chemo poisoning.
Take control of your treatments. You will not regret it. You are not a pin cushion or a guinea pig. Make them respect you as a human being. Only you can do that.
Hugs and hang in there!!!!
Lisa P.0 -
I am so sorry for your bum!! Really, keep all your notes; and start the book. You have such a great sense of humor and are able to encapsulate it within your writing!!
Just think. You could be the next Livestrong! We will have to do something about your name though.
They already have some lubrication with lidocaine in it. But... I don't know how well it works. Talk to the doctor; there must be some sort of suppository to help you! UGH!!
Stay tough and keep laughing!
Thinking of you often. jana0
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