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Bud,nanuk said:Sorry, I pushed too many buttons..
You can never push too many buttons.
My thoughts:Maybe sugar is bad for cancer patients. Maybe it's bad for everyone. I'm sure you'll find studies to prove both sides.
Personally, I think everything in moderation. Try to eat as natural as possible. Avoid excess sugar, salt, fat, carbs, protein, caffeine. Moderation.
Yes, the PET scan uses a tracer simliar to glucose. What lights up "hot" on the PET? Glucose. What do you drink before a CAT scan? Glucose.
Don't have an answer for you Bud. I guess it depends on how important it is to you. If you can't live without sugar, I say, have it. If you think of it as poison, you'll find alternatives for the sweetner. ( of course not those cancer causing ones, though
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Live your life.
Enjoy your life.
Try to live in the moment.
No one knows how long we will be here.
Little story : I was swimming in the pool with my 16yr. old last night. It was cold. But, she wanted to go in. We warmed up after a while. While I was floating around this thought came into my head: I am here, right now, in this pool, cold, for my daughter. I have my 1 year colonoscopy on Monday. God forbid they find something there, who knows what tomorrow will bring. I thought of my family. I live for today. Tonight. Right now. If tomorrow, or Monday should bring bad news, at least we had today. To make a memory that may be nothing, or perhaps something that sticks in our minds forever.
Sorry about the rant. By the way, I eat sugar. In moderation. I cut back as much as possible, but I refuse to drive myself crazy. Ain't worth it. Bud.
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thanks for the rant..it brought to mind a little ditty I have on my bulletin board:tkd3g said:Bud,
You can never push too many buttons.
My thoughts:Maybe sugar is bad for cancer patients. Maybe it's bad for everyone. I'm sure you'll find studies to prove both sides.
Personally, I think everything in moderation. Try to eat as natural as possible. Avoid excess sugar, salt, fat, carbs, protein, caffeine. Moderation.
Yes, the PET scan uses a tracer simliar to glucose. What lights up "hot" on the PET? Glucose. What do you drink before a CAT scan? Glucose.
Don't have an answer for you Bud. I guess it depends on how important it is to you. If you can't live without sugar, I say, have it. If you think of it as poison, you'll find alternatives for the sweetner. ( of course not those cancer causing ones, though )
Live your life.
Enjoy your life.
Try to live in the moment.
No one knows how long we will be here.
Little story : I was swimming in the pool with my 16yr. old last night. It was cold. But, she wanted to go in. We warmed up after a while. While I was floating around this thought came into my head: I am here, right now, in this pool, cold, for my daughter. I have my 1 year colonoscopy on Monday. God forbid they find something there, who knows what tomorrow will bring. I thought of my family. I live for today. Tonight. Right now. If tomorrow, or Monday should bring bad news, at least we had today. To make a memory that may be nothing, or perhaps something that sticks in our minds forever.
Sorry about the rant. By the way, I eat sugar. In moderation. I cut back as much as possible, but I refuse to drive myself crazy. Ain't worth it. Bud.
Just my 2 cents
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Good question Bud!!!
I agree with Barb, moderation is important but I think timing is too. I make sure I do protein before any sweets and along with carbs. Now protein does not have to be meat, spinach, soy, and other things have protein in it. In this months O Magazine (yes it is Oprahs')there is a nice interview with Lance Armstrong. As a premier athlete he admits to be a carb fan. He does meusli with soy milk before a training ride. I think the important thing to remember as a cancer patient is to not eat sugary sweets on an empty stomach. Carbs convert to body energy quicker then other foods, so burn them off. Eat as close to the raw source of the food as possible and don't worry too much.
Lisa P.0 -
Bud -
Here's whaddyIthink:
Think in terms of complex versus simple carbohydrates.
What are the differences between simple and complex carbohydrates, and which should be avoided?
Many people are confused about the differences between simple and complex carbohydrates and many popular diet books seem to only make it more confusing.
Carbohydrates are one of three macronutrients in our diets that provide calories. The other two are protein and fat. Carbohydrates provide most of the energy needed in our daily lives, both for normal body functions such as heartbeat, breathing and digestion and for exercise such as cycling, walking, running, fencing, riding bulls, and all of the other fun things that you do, Bud.
Carbohydrates are considered simple or complex based upon their chemical structure and both types contain four calories per gram. Both are also digested into glucose. There are probably as many different sources of carbohydrates as there are shoes in Maura's closet.
In the past few years, simple carbohydrates have become known as the 'bad' carbs, while complex carbs seem to be designated as the 'good' ones. Although this is based on more hype than science, here are the reasons why:
Simple carbohydrates are digested quickly. Many simple carbohydrates contain refined sugars and few essential vitamins and minerals. Examples include fruits, fruit juice, milk, yoghurt, honey, molasses and sugar, and the absolute DEVIL - "High Fructose Corn Syrup" (it's in everything)
Complex carbohydrates take longer to digest and are usually packed with fibre, vitamins and minerals. Examples are vegetables, breads, cereals, legumes and pasta.
Most experts recommend that 50 to 60 per cent of the total calories in our diet come from carbohydrates. The bulk of the carbs we consume should be complex and most of the simple ones should come from fruits and milk or yoghurt, which also contain vitamins and minerals.
Avoid getting the bulk of your carbs from refined foods high in sugar, since they are usually low in the nutrients we need to maintain health and energy levels. These are the real "cancer feeders", Bud.
There you have my 2-cents-worth - usually worth what you pay for it!
Cheers
- Sponge (composed mostly of simple carbohydrates - I'm just sooooo sweet!)0 -
And chock full of information, too. Thanks Sponger.spongebob said:Bud -
Here's whaddyIthink:
Think in terms of complex versus simple carbohydrates.
What are the differences between simple and complex carbohydrates, and which should be avoided?
Many people are confused about the differences between simple and complex carbohydrates and many popular diet books seem to only make it more confusing.
Carbohydrates are one of three macronutrients in our diets that provide calories. The other two are protein and fat. Carbohydrates provide most of the energy needed in our daily lives, both for normal body functions such as heartbeat, breathing and digestion and for exercise such as cycling, walking, running, fencing, riding bulls, and all of the other fun things that you do, Bud.
Carbohydrates are considered simple or complex based upon their chemical structure and both types contain four calories per gram. Both are also digested into glucose. There are probably as many different sources of carbohydrates as there are shoes in Maura's closet.
In the past few years, simple carbohydrates have become known as the 'bad' carbs, while complex carbs seem to be designated as the 'good' ones. Although this is based on more hype than science, here are the reasons why:
Simple carbohydrates are digested quickly. Many simple carbohydrates contain refined sugars and few essential vitamins and minerals. Examples include fruits, fruit juice, milk, yoghurt, honey, molasses and sugar, and the absolute DEVIL - "High Fructose Corn Syrup" (it's in everything)
Complex carbohydrates take longer to digest and are usually packed with fibre, vitamins and minerals. Examples are vegetables, breads, cereals, legumes and pasta.
Most experts recommend that 50 to 60 per cent of the total calories in our diet come from carbohydrates. The bulk of the carbs we consume should be complex and most of the simple ones should come from fruits and milk or yoghurt, which also contain vitamins and minerals.
Avoid getting the bulk of your carbs from refined foods high in sugar, since they are usually low in the nutrients we need to maintain health and energy levels. These are the real "cancer feeders", Bud.
There you have my 2-cents-worth - usually worth what you pay for it!
Cheers
- Sponge (composed mostly of simple carbohydrates - I'm just sooooo sweet!)
Barb0 -
Wow...a lot of good advice and deep thought. For my 2 cents...all cells in the body need sugar to survive. I think cancer cells probably use more of it because they are faster growing. Not really sure what the benefit or risk is of sugar (or no sugar) to promoting or preventing cancer. Some studies are looking at some related stuff but nothing definite. I'm of the "moderation" viewpoint but unfortunately have a HUGE sweet tooth. Based on conversations here I'm trying to at least cut down but it's hard.
Howard0 -
just putting a PS onto SB's post...spongebob said:Bud -
Here's whaddyIthink:
Think in terms of complex versus simple carbohydrates.
What are the differences between simple and complex carbohydrates, and which should be avoided?
Many people are confused about the differences between simple and complex carbohydrates and many popular diet books seem to only make it more confusing.
Carbohydrates are one of three macronutrients in our diets that provide calories. The other two are protein and fat. Carbohydrates provide most of the energy needed in our daily lives, both for normal body functions such as heartbeat, breathing and digestion and for exercise such as cycling, walking, running, fencing, riding bulls, and all of the other fun things that you do, Bud.
Carbohydrates are considered simple or complex based upon their chemical structure and both types contain four calories per gram. Both are also digested into glucose. There are probably as many different sources of carbohydrates as there are shoes in Maura's closet.
In the past few years, simple carbohydrates have become known as the 'bad' carbs, while complex carbs seem to be designated as the 'good' ones. Although this is based on more hype than science, here are the reasons why:
Simple carbohydrates are digested quickly. Many simple carbohydrates contain refined sugars and few essential vitamins and minerals. Examples include fruits, fruit juice, milk, yoghurt, honey, molasses and sugar, and the absolute DEVIL - "High Fructose Corn Syrup" (it's in everything)
Complex carbohydrates take longer to digest and are usually packed with fibre, vitamins and minerals. Examples are vegetables, breads, cereals, legumes and pasta.
Most experts recommend that 50 to 60 per cent of the total calories in our diet come from carbohydrates. The bulk of the carbs we consume should be complex and most of the simple ones should come from fruits and milk or yoghurt, which also contain vitamins and minerals.
Avoid getting the bulk of your carbs from refined foods high in sugar, since they are usually low in the nutrients we need to maintain health and energy levels. These are the real "cancer feeders", Bud.
There you have my 2-cents-worth - usually worth what you pay for it!
Cheers
- Sponge (composed mostly of simple carbohydrates - I'm just sooooo sweet!)
grains, pasta, breads, cereals have to be WHOLE grain in order to be considered complex otherwise you may as well be shooting sugar right into your veins if you eat white anything.
Just my shillings worth.....
peace, emily who figures everyone and their grandmother knows where I stand on the sugar issue!!!0 -
Hi there,themis01 said:My husband is type 1 diabetic and Sponge is right on with most of the articles, endocronolgists, and nutritionists that we have consulted regarding the whole carb thing.
Just my petty one cent!
Erika
One more thing to add - about carbs...not my shoes! The more complex the carb, the easier the food is on our blood sugar - the less of the quick-jump, sugar high. One wants there blood sugrar to be set high enough and to stay at a constant level for a long period of time. This is usually accomplished when protein is present in the mix - and when the carbs are complex and time is needed for them to be broken down. Thinkof the difference between having coffee and a sweet roll for breakfast vs something more substantial - yogurt, a smoothie, eggs, whole grain toast (many Scandinavian countries still have whole grain bread with a "breakfast cheese")....it stays with us and we don't fade at 10:30 and need another pick-me-up to last until lunch.
Or - one can think of it another way. A calorie is a measure of heat - actually how much heat is produceed by the body breaking a foodstuff down.....the kicker is how the body breaks things down...how the fire is stoked. It is important to stoke the fire with the type of wood - or food - that burns long - not super hot and then poops out...
Okay - enough remembering stuff from college.
Great discussion.
Cheers,
Maura - who had fun studying cows and horsies!!0 -
I think SB said it best. Complex carbs are the way to go...vegies, whole grain including cereals, breads and pastas, whole fruits, plain yogurt, low fat dairy. I don't always follow this prescription (I love real mac and cheese-no whole grain anything), but it's a goal i work toward daily. Avoid concentrated sweets, but don't be too hard on yourself if you have some.
Mary0 -
Struth....a sweet-tooth like me has gotta fire away here. I admit I like sugar but also have cut down on lots of the nasty stuff. Jen's trying to lose weight so I try to feed her tha good stuff. Oh yeah....you all know I do the cooking but a wholesome meal of whatever, maybe twice a week to me is what I call moderation. That means I cook a really good evening meal twice a week and don't worry a whole lot what I use. Now..having said that I do watch what I buy for us. Lately I have gone to wholegrain bread only....no white stuff....plenty of veggies and fruit(don't forget the kiwi fruit!)goldfinch said:I think SB said it best. Complex carbs are the way to go...vegies, whole grain including cereals, breads and pastas, whole fruits, plain yogurt, low fat dairy. I don't always follow this prescription (I love real mac and cheese-no whole grain anything), but it's a goal i work toward daily. Avoid concentrated sweets, but don't be too hard on yourself if you have some.
Mary
However, and this is my main beef..sorry Emily, I am not going against the grain here, far from it. This world is so complicated with artificial stuff do we really know how good/bad almost anything that comes off the shelf is? I mean for example....even bought fresh veggies and fruit are either genetically modified or are grown with fertilisers, sprayed with chemicals.Even wheat, barley, oats is genetically modified in its seed form to produce higher crop yields.
Unless you grow--eat your own.....we are all subjected to a majority of foods that are modified in some way. That is not denying from my point of view all the good advice from above....I am merely saying that this world has changed.....for good or bad re; food????
I guess to use an example......microwaves are in question at the moment. Are they going to say in 10 years time microwave ovens may have caused cancer......probably!
Studies on lots of stuff are always conflicting.
One scientist will say milk is bad for you......yet a recent study said that drinking milk wards off cancer. Hell....I was a milk fanatic and admit to drinking up to 1 1/2 litres a day all my life!!!! Go figure.
As for sugar the research I have done shows un-refined sugar the way to go....so I agree with you Bob.
Personally, I am of an "all things in moderation" believer.
Oh....another thing.....I have smoked for 30 odd years and still do....yet have 94% lung capacity and my mum died of brain cancer(she never smoked or drank)
I reiterate.....go figure???
But????......considering Emily and Lisa are going a-la-naturale' and are living proof of the natural way.....I love and commend them!!!
kanga is probably on all counts wrong!
huggs all Ross n Jen0 -
hey my upside down friend!kangatoo said:Struth....a sweet-tooth like me has gotta fire away here. I admit I like sugar but also have cut down on lots of the nasty stuff. Jen's trying to lose weight so I try to feed her tha good stuff. Oh yeah....you all know I do the cooking but a wholesome meal of whatever, maybe twice a week to me is what I call moderation. That means I cook a really good evening meal twice a week and don't worry a whole lot what I use. Now..having said that I do watch what I buy for us. Lately I have gone to wholegrain bread only....no white stuff....plenty of veggies and fruit(don't forget the kiwi fruit!)
However, and this is my main beef..sorry Emily, I am not going against the grain here, far from it. This world is so complicated with artificial stuff do we really know how good/bad almost anything that comes off the shelf is? I mean for example....even bought fresh veggies and fruit are either genetically modified or are grown with fertilisers, sprayed with chemicals.Even wheat, barley, oats is genetically modified in its seed form to produce higher crop yields.
Unless you grow--eat your own.....we are all subjected to a majority of foods that are modified in some way. That is not denying from my point of view all the good advice from above....I am merely saying that this world has changed.....for good or bad re; food????
I guess to use an example......microwaves are in question at the moment. Are they going to say in 10 years time microwave ovens may have caused cancer......probably!
Studies on lots of stuff are always conflicting.
One scientist will say milk is bad for you......yet a recent study said that drinking milk wards off cancer. Hell....I was a milk fanatic and admit to drinking up to 1 1/2 litres a day all my life!!!! Go figure.
As for sugar the research I have done shows un-refined sugar the way to go....so I agree with you Bob.
Personally, I am of an "all things in moderation" believer.
Oh....another thing.....I have smoked for 30 odd years and still do....yet have 94% lung capacity and my mum died of brain cancer(she never smoked or drank)
I reiterate.....go figure???
But????......considering Emily and Lisa are going a-la-naturale' and are living proof of the natural way.....I love and commend them!!!
kanga is probably on all counts wrong!
huggs all Ross n Jen
Listen.....I ate like a crunchy granola for over 20 years and I STILL got colon cancer! My doctor took me off all whites back in 1982, white sugar, white flour, processed foods, alcohol, you name it......so believe me the food issue makes me wonder......I only got religious about organics after my dx. I bought organic don't get me wrong...but I got STRICT about it post cancer.
I don't know how to do moderation. You guys all talk about moderation but I am black or white-- full on or not at all kind of chick. (duh, can you tell?)
I can't just ride my bike leisurely enjoying the scenery--I have to push my limit and go as fast as I can pedal for 10 miles. Yesterday I did 20! Of course the head wind took any speed away.
I can't just detox, I have to do coffee enemas and drink clay and aloe vera juice and take weird looking chinese herbs and drink 3 quarts of carrot juice a day.....yada yada yada.
So when y'all talk moderation I just shake my head in awe......
peace, emily who is outta here to bike that 20 miles again.0
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