Just Diagnosed Advanced Nodular lymphocyte predominant Hodgkin's lymphoma (NLPHL)

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  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,824 Member
    edited January 25 #82

    I remember you extremely well, Sandy. I am sorry that I look at the Boards so little the last few years. I am busy with grandkids and, well, medical problems pretty much full-time. I am even more sorry that you have been through the setbacks that you listed.

    I went 11 years with no relapsing. When a lot of gross nodes were discovered, it was initially wrongly diagnosed as an autoimmune condition known as "PTGC," which is believed to be a benign, usually harmless condition. After 6-8 months of active surveillance, it had gotten so bad that it was re-biopsied. That biopsy was again wrongly diagnosed as PTGC, but was sent across the country to a specialty pathology group, which did additional microslide viewing, and it was confirmed as, in fact, NLPHL. I know that NLPHL is frequently described in more recent Journal articles as "T-cell rich," and is possibly an oddball T cell disease. Interestingly, my relapsed, heavy, stage III NLPHL was put into complete remission by the common, two-year Rituxan-alone maintenance protocol. My hematologist was impressed, but said that I must now be in very close scrutiny for life.

    The takeaway of all this: you must demand the best, world-class pathology work. Always demand second opinions, and from the best of the best. Johns Hopkins, MD Anderson, and the like. The money required for the testing is a life saver.

    This is like a lifetime of disease whack-a-mole. My view toward cancers has changed a bit. ANY cancer is in fact a risk for relapse. We must face new battles as they arise. Superior doctors are necessary for this. Routine doctors can do the cook book responses to "typical" strains, that behave as they are supposed to, but better minds must take over afterward. Most fundamental is correct diagnosis.

    NLPHL is still regarded as recurring among all first line complete remission patients at about 15%. So, it is 'cured' for many individuals. Among those who relapse, however, the likelihood that they are in a lifelong fight goes way up. And be aware that NLPHL is apparently almost identical to Follicular NHL, so have your doctors monitor all new developments for relapsed Follicular and keep up with those journal articles and clinical trials.

    You can do this !

    max

  • Sandy Ray
    Sandy Ray Member Posts: 147 Member

    Thank you for the response. I have 4 grandchildren as well. We have been watching the 2 youngest (2 years,6 months) 3 days a week. I would like to resume that. I thought I read how easy CAR T was compared to the Stem Cell I had in 2020. However, now I am hearing horror stories. I guess I will hope for the best and give it a shot. What was the 2 year Rituxan frequency? My problem is mine always transforms to Large B cell T cell rich non Hodgkins. Very aggressive. My local oncologist is always willing to listen and goes the extra mile. He has sent me to MD Anderson before but with my new insurance that is out of Network. So UAB in Birmingham,Alabama is my only in network option. If I can make it 4 years to Medicare maybe I can make it back to MD Anderson.
    I was wondering what the frequency of the Rituxan routine because if the CAR-T does not work maybe my local Doctor would be willing to to let me try that for a while. I really appreciate you and your response. You helped calm my nerves a lot the first two times. I am confident God will have His will but I must say at times I get a little anxious. I handle it pretty well most days but sometimes I let my mind get in the wrong place. Nothing that keeps me from functioning. Thanks again for your responses. Enjoy those grandchildren! They are awesome.

  • ShadyGuy
    ShadyGuy Member Posts: 928 Member
    edited January 27 #84

    Sandy

    I remember you very well. Still deer hunting? I just look at deer now - I don’t shoot them anymore. They are my friends.

    My first major treatment for stage 4 FNHL was in January 2011. I had Rituxan once a week for 10 weeks then once a month for a total 30+ doses ( I cannot remember the exact number) but I went into remission till November 2017 when it returned. I had been hunting (camping) in the Brooks Range in Arctic Alaska and got very sick on the way home. Almost left the airport during my layover in Chicago to go to a hospital. My local Doc prescribed chemo with more Rituxan. I decided to not continue the treatment after 4 rounds and went to Duke. The Duke Dr. put me on watch and wait and I have been fine since. My hair grew back quickly. In my non professional opinion I would initially go with Rituxan only. Its a walk in the park compared to most other therapies. I had a scare last year with my first ever palpable node but I declined treatment and after 6 months it went away on its own. So I am now on watch and wait again. But thats just me. Best of luck!

    In summary Rituxan works for many people and is worth a try. But that is just an opinion, not advice.

  • Sandy Ray
    Sandy Ray Member Posts: 147 Member

    Well I want to hunt. I have been on one week hunts to Saskatchewan the last two years by invitation. No local hunting. We feed about 15 deer here at my house. Not sure my wife wants to eat any of them though.

    Well the RCHOP gave me 2 1/2 years. The stem cell 4 1/2 years. Now the CAR-T is the latest recommendation. I thought it would be easy compared to the Stem cell. However, after reading more and talking to some it is not necessarily a walk in the park . I would like to stick around for the family. I am sure they can get along without me but I like being the one they lean on and helping carry their loads. Even though I am about to be 61 I am the oldest in our family and would love to be there for them. I do realize more than ever my mortality. I like you am tired of chemo. After the RCHOP I said no more. Then I got my strength back. Then came the stem cell transplant and by the end of that I said no more. Now I have my strength back so we will give it another try. I know it is hard on my wife and the rest of the family and that is on my mind. No matter I will keep going. I would like to be around as long as there is some quality of life. I have been blessed with a great life. Better than I ever imagined. So no regrets however the road leads.

    Thanks for the info on the Rituxan regime.

  • ShadyGuy
    ShadyGuy Member Posts: 928 Member

    Wonderful! Best of luck and keep us informed of your progress.

    In my yard

  • Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3
    Max Former Hodgkins Stage 3 Member Posts: 3,824 Member
    edited January 25 #87

    Sandy, a quick update on what I wrote earlier today:

    Follicular and NLPHL relapse pretty routinely, as discussed. But the second or third relapse is often into an aggressive NHL, most commonly the diffuse large B that you now have. CLL or other leukemias are also fairly common. This is a bit of a game changer. Diffuse large B is not, to my layman's knowledge, controlled via Rituxan alone. Ask your doc about this in some detail. You may need more draconian tools at this point,

    max

  • ShadyGuy
    ShadyGuy Member Posts: 928 Member
    edited January 27 #88

    Max is correct in that DLBCL generally requires a more drastic treatment.

    My doctor told me that 1/2 of FNHL has transformed to DLBCL by year 10.

    CAR-T should handle it all if you are up to it. Hoping you have second or even third opinions. I wish I had your confidence in doctors. I have a strong mistrust of the medical profession.