Confused after MRI

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  • centralPA
    centralPA Member Posts: 322 Member

    I am not a doctor, but I think the main thing is whether it is all in the prostate or not. If it is, it doesn't matter how much is in there. It all gets either zapped with radiation or removed with surgery.

    I don't think where your MRI indicates extraprostatic extension is where the biopsy penetrated the prostate, so you didn't get a sample of that exact spot. That lesion on the right that showed up in the MRI definitely got sampled by the biopsy, though. I am betting that the doctor will presume it's in the bed? I'd be prepared for either diagnosis from the doc. Know what the options are that he might present.

    Now is the time to become a lay expert in your condition. Anxiety stems from uncertainty and loss of control. Knowledge is power, power is control. Read up all you can and walk into the doctor's office knowing what he is likely to say, and being prepared to talk about it.

    The NCCN patient guidelines are an excellent place to start. Written in plain English, but follow the detailed guidelines for the docs.

    https://www.nccn.org/guidelines/guidelines-detail?category=1&id=1459

    https://www.nccn.org/patients/guidelines/content/PDF/prostate-early-patient.pdf

  • swl1956
    swl1956 Member Posts: 123 Member

    There is a daunting amount of information to consider, but yes! learn as much as you are able. Your being in a higher risk category, your treatment options should be more clear cut. I know it probably seems hard to imagine right now, but you eventually get to point where dealing with Pca is less stressful. I am not a particularly bright person and was stressing with information overload. Having to disseminate all the info, advice, and opinions has been the most difficult thing I've ever dealt with. Just trying to remember all the acronyms has been driving me crazy! Ultimately, (after finding a good doctor) I made a treatment decision which may or may not be the best one, but once made, my stress has subsided substantially. Keep in mind that most all Pca's are treatable and manageable. Try to take care of yourself as well. I found changing some of my bad habits (too much alcohol) eating better and walking 3 miles a day has been very helpful. Lost 20lbs in the last six months.

    Second opinions especially from centers of excellence are always a wise move.

    Hang in there!

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=high+risk+prostate+cancer+dr+mark+scholz#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:819f75a5,vid:q2bTlh7MwsE,st:0

  • REB72
    REB72 Member Posts: 36 Member

    I have PSMA PET scan scheduled for Thursday 5/9. My urologist didn't say anything about other treatments. Just surgery. I am just wondering if there should be a referral to radiologist or oncologist right now. Or could urologist be waiting on PSMA scan results? MRI indicated possible seminal vesicle involvement. MRI/CT/Biopsy all indicate it may have not spread. With a gleason of 4 + 5 = 9 PSA of 16.86 and nearly all core samples being gleason 8+, is RP surgery the way to go? I find it confusing that urologist hasn't mentioned anything beyond surgery. I am 52 years old. I just can't really pinpoint what direction I should be going and if I should be referred to radiologist now or is my urologist just thinking surgery is going to take care of this? I didn't really know what to ask him when I came in for biopsy results. I guess I was thinking these lesions were going to be benign or low risk. But it appears this is high risk.

  • Old Salt
    Old Salt Member Posts: 1,505 Member
    edited May 4 #25

    All I can say is that there are options other than surgery. While waiting for the PSMA scan results you can read up on radiation options.

    As an aside, my case was Gleason 9 as well (and a PSA of ~12 ng/mL), but apparently contained. I choose the triple play option (two kinds of radiation + ADT). That was ten years ago. I must confess 😀that I was around 72 years old at the time which made surgery less 'attractive'.

  • RonB
    RonB Member Posts: 47 Member

    @REB72 I'm a 68-yr old who was asymptomatic aside from elevated PSA in a March 23 blood test and was eventually diagnosed with PCa in December. Sounds like we share the emotional roller coaster of this disease and I share the anxiety of the what ifs and unknowns. I have my surgery scheduled for July 9 with the DaVinci Xl. It took a long time, lots of information gathering, more than a few tears and many conversations with my wife. I met with and discussed my diagnosis with two radiation oncologists and two surgeons before making my decision. For me, the tipping point in favor of surgery were the discussions around hormone treatments in conjunction with radiation therapy. The possible side effects don't work well with my emotional conditions and I couldn't get past the limited treatment options via surgery should the PCa return post radiology.

    I'm only a few steps ahead of you on this path but I'm more than happy to share my experiences if that's something you think might be helpful. If you're anything like me, it's hard to shut off the brain from worry and anxiety sometimes.

    I don't think anyone can plan for this and PCa is hardly as straightforward as I thought it was. My doctor recommended I start doing Kegel exercises now, pre-surgery, as it's supposed to help with the incontinence issues post surgery. This may be helpful for you https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/mens-health/in-depth/kegel-exercises-for-men/art-20045074

    The thing that helped me the most was when I met my surgeon, he opened the conversation with, "We're not here to treat your cancer. We're here to cure you." I hope you have or find that confidence. You're far from being on this journey alone.

    Hang tough.

    Ron

  • REB72
    REB72 Member Posts: 36 Member

    Thanks for the information. I will have to wait for the PSMA scan to see what stage we are taking about. I have read so much on this bord concerning surgery versus radiation and the fact that my case is a gleason 9 really has me not knowing what to do. My urologist just said surgery and we didn't discuss anythingin detail. Maybe he is confident cancer hasn't spread. I am not that confident. I am scared to death of surgery. I did have a couple of surgeries as a teen. But I was healthy and invincible back then. I had recently started trying to take care of myself again as I hadn't been. Thus, the reason I made appointments to get all my blood work done and up came these high PSA numbers. I quit drinking alcohol and smoking in February and am trying to eat better and started running again. I have lost about 20 pounds. But I am not sure if I am healthy enough for surgery. Way overweight and possibly diabetic and I have severe sleep apnea. I believe the urology center I have been going to has radiation oncologists on staff there. I will discuss my concerns about surgery versus radiation with my urologist. I just wonder if being early 50's changes any recommendations on treatment. I have a lot of time for this situation to come back even if they are able to get it all with surgery. Sometimes I read things that lead me to believe surgery may not be the best choice.

  • Old Salt
    Old Salt Member Posts: 1,505 Member

    I recommend that, once you know more, you set up an appointment with a 'center of excellence' to discuss what your options REALLY are.

    https://www.cancer.gov/research/infrastructure/cancer-centers

  • REB72
    REB72 Member Posts: 36 Member

    I am still thinking surgery is the best option to start. The sleep apnea thing is my big worry. My heart is fine and I have been running and that right there tells me I should be OK for surgery. I used to run 5 miles a day but that was 10 years ago. I am just scared of surgery. My 15 year daughter and wife need me here. I will look into 2nd opinions and such and also discuss with my urologist what his plan of attack is and why. Just waiting on PSMA scan on Thursday. I am hoping that comes back rather quickly

  • centralPA
    centralPA Member Posts: 322 Member
    edited May 6 #30

    I wonder if you couldn't get a prescription for Ozempic and get your weight moving in the desired direction?

    There's just no positive to being overweight when dealing with this. Makes surgery more difficult, more body for any beam to travel through to get to the cancer.

    The sleep apnea thing is my big worry.

    While you're sitting around staring at your navel, waiting for the medical system gears to ever-so-slowing (too slowly!) turn, try reading the book Breath. Super interesting, and talks about using your breath to cope with anxiety and also apnea. Just a good read too.

    https://www.mrjamesnestor.com/breath-book

  • RonB
    RonB Member Posts: 47 Member

    "I have a lot of time for this situation to come back even if they are able to get it all with surgery." Very true and it was that very issue of the potential for recurrence that weighted my decision toward surgery. In discussing with my doctors (oncology radiologists and surgeons), the treatment for post surgical recurrence is radiation and hormones. It is my understanding that, while not impossible, post-radiological surgery is far more difficult. In discussing post-surgical recurrence with my doctor, he advised the appropriate treatment at that point would be radiation. I like having that option available and I felt like starting with radiation and hormones at my point of disease progression (unfavorable intermediate) would be closing an important door that I would likely need to use at some future point in time. PCa truly places us between "the devil and deep blue sea."

  • lesjanes
    lesjanes Member Posts: 67 Member

    RonB Your diagnosis, age and decision process are almost identical to mine. 3+4=7 , 68 years old and went through the exact same thought process and conclusion. I am having DaVinci surgery on July 17th and start Kegel PT this week.

    REB72 I empathize with your worry. I get totally consumed with worry and anxiety on situations I can't control. I could not focus or think for 2-3 weeks after my diagnosis. My day to day life was on hold…I couldn't do anything. But then I started get educated, I kept getting reassurance from multiple Drs. Once I got educated and my options and direction were clear to me, my anxiety went way because I now had a plan.

    I know that our PCa and circumstances are different and that you may have more hurdles than me. But I wanted to let you know that there are many people that have issues controlling anxiety and worry. I still have plenty to worry about, but I now have a plan and I feel that I have taken some control over my situation.

    Old Salt and centralPA have had sage advice. Especially on controlling anxiety with knowledge and education. I know it is easier said than done, especially when facing uncetrtainty. But I hope that you can get control of your anxiety once you get more information and direction.

    Best of wishes. I will be thinking of you.

  • RonB
    RonB Member Posts: 47 Member

    Later this week I'm having a presurgical PET/CT for developing the treatment strategy. I'll complete the clearance screening a little closer to the surgery date. You're spot-on with recommending education. Largely due to what I now recognize as shock and denial, I couldn't look much past what I was being told as it all felt oddly surreal. The only other time I can recall feeling like that was 50 years ago during the fun-filled first week of Basic Training.

    Please keep us updated on what you get out of KT. That's very cool that you have that resource. It truly is a workout but it's also a key element in the recovery and returning to subjective 'normal' post treatment. I'll be thinking of you on 7/17 and sending my best.

  • poucedeleon
    poucedeleon Member Posts: 1 Member

    I am dealing with a similar situation. I had my MRI on April 4th and a Biopsy schedule for May 8th. On April 17th the Dr that was doing the Biopsy cancelled my appointment (ins reason). I have been reaching out to doctor twice a week for direction on the next step or to see if he has rescheduled me at a different clinic, but he has been radio silent until this morning.

    The nurse that called this morning suggested having the procedure done by my doctor with ultrasound (transrectal instead of the targeted fusion biopsy, (transperineal). This is all very new for me, so I appreciate being part of this group, and hearing advice from others that have had the misfortune of dealing with this decease. I will be checking out the links posted by swl195

  • bdhilton
    bdhilton Member Posts: 866 Member

    REB72…Yes, 52 is young. I was 53 when I started and I'm 69 now.

    I've had surgery to remove my prostate, lupron shots, salvage radiation, SBRT, surgery to repair radiation damage and currently, in discussions for yet another treatment plan...and I remain blessed living a full life.

    We all have different stories and some folks get one treatment and it's gone and others have one complication after another...I guess that the luck of the draw in life.

    You mention your teenage daughter. If you use tobacco, quit today. Be physically active. Eat better. UCSF has a great cancer cookbook online to live by or eat a mostly Mediterranean Diet, including the red wine...life right now is, "it is what it is..." that is what I live by...

    Based on the date of your post, your PSMA and biopsy have given you a better understanding. If you are near a teaching hospital, call them and set an appointment ( at least a second opinion), the medical teaching staff are there to do their best for your individual treatment(s)...

    Keep the faith and all the best,

    BD

  • centralPA
    centralPA Member Posts: 322 Member

    If your MRI detected something of interest to sample, it’d be nuts not to do a fusion guided biopsy. If it came back as nothing seen, then your biopsy will be random anyway.

    So it depends on what was seen in the MRI.

  • REB72
    REB72 Member Posts: 36 Member

    Thank your the information. It does help to see others have experienced this in their 50's and their experiences since diagnosis. I am a tobacco user. I use chewing tobacco and smoking. I have been a smoker for nearly 40 years. I quit smoking in February before any of thus prostate stuff came up. I do still chew. I have been exercising again and have changed my diet. Finances are tight and eating good is expensive. I am eating much more fruit and vegetables. I reduced red meat intake. One of my main issues is I eat a lot of processed deli meat. I would like to do a Mediterranean diet. I have looked into that before. Just a matter of putting it into practice. Getting my wife and daughter to do the same would be the hardest part

  • REB72
    REB72 Member Posts: 36 Member

    I had the PET scan today. That is a piece of cake compared to MRI and biopsy. I am wondering how long others have waited for results. I have a follow up appointment with urologist 5/24 which is 2 weeks away. I certainly think waiting that long would be terrible. Scan was done at an an imaging facility separate from urologist. I asked the tech and she thought I might get an email or text to create a login to see results in a couple of days but she wasn't sure. Would I be out of line asking urologist office to give me the results asap as I most certainly don't want to wait 2 weeks

  • Josephg
    Josephg Member Posts: 455 Member

    You could….. But, remember, this will be a conversation, not simply a dump of the scan results. Allocated time will be necessary to complete the conversation, and for me, I want the conversation to be in person, so that I can fully assess what I am being told (or not) by viewing body language, and not just using my ears.

  • Old Salt
    Old Salt Member Posts: 1,505 Member
    edited May 10 #40

    The 'tech' suggested there MIGHT be a patient portal. Why not try to find it?

    Waiting two weeks will be hard; try to focus on something more pleasant…

  • centralPA
    centralPA Member Posts: 322 Member

    You should be able to see the results on a patient portal, I agree. It has been YEARS since I haven’t been able to see everything on a portal about as soon as it is ready.
    You want to go into your appointment having already seen the results, educated and armed with questions, ready to listen. I find doctors appreciate questions asked in advance via email too.