ssc, hpv in tonsils on both sides and eblarged lymph node

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  • JohnVon
    JohnVon Member Posts: 25 Member

    Steven congrats on all the treatments behind you. I’m in week 5 and the side effects are really bad. Mostly the burns on my skin which I didn’t expect to be this bad with Proton Therapy. My Oncologist told me earlier this week I have only 6 weeks of treatments after telling me I had 7 throughout treatment. Now he retracted and went back to 7 weeks. It was like a cruel joke knocking an entire week off. Hang in there Steven we’ll both be on the other side of this soon.

    also which pain meds are you on? My oncologist doesn’t seem to be willing to prescribe pain meds

  • MarieO
    MarieO Member Posts: 41 Member

    Good to hear from you Steven. You are an inspiration as you keep so positive. You are so close to being done..good for you!

    My husband will just start treatments on Tuesday. He will be having radiation and chemo on the first day. 3 rounds of chemo total. I have to say that I’ve been questioning the chemo..but it seems like I’m the only one. The mass is on his left tonsil. Nothing on lymph nodes Stage 1.

    He had his Port and Feeding Tube placed 2 days ago. Really hoping he can continue eating and if feeding tube is needed …just minimal.

  • JohnVon
    JohnVon Member Posts: 25 Member

    Hi Marie. It’s okay to ask the docs as many questions as you like. My oncologist tends to say “trust me” a lot but I still like to engage conversations about different studies, trials and treatment options. I’m willing to do anything to save my life.

    It sounds like your husband’s docs have a good thorough plan. I have met several men in other cancer support groups that had chemo and radiation and they are NED (no evidence of disease) years later. Not sure if your husband is on Facebook but there’s a great men’s support group on there. It’s called MAN UP TO CANCER. I can send an invite if you’d like. Take care

  • MarieO
    MarieO Member Posts: 41 Member

    Thanks for that info but the reason I’m on here is because my husband doesn’t do any type of social media. And actually this is the closest I come to to social media myself.

    Its all a bit overwhelming and I’m sure once it begins everything will become more clear.

    Because treatment plan changed, every thing has been rushed to get him started. Which is a good thing…but so many questions swirling In my mind.

    But just glad to get him started and on the road to everything better.

  • steven59
    steven59 Member Posts: 102 Member

    MarieO

    The first couple weeks of radiation are free from side effects and I've found on days I do cardio even 20 minutes I feel much better. Oral exercises will be important, doing the eeee's was, is embarrassing for me but my ego will just have to sit this one out. Friends a year and w2 away say it's nothing more than a memory now and are back to their lives. There will be some hard days so talking to more people on the recovered side really helps and we have some on this forum. We will get thru this.

  • MarieO
    MarieO Member Posts: 41 Member
  • steven59
    steven59 Member Posts: 102 Member

    dang, this radiation is some serious business. The nurses all say us throat/neck cancer patients get it the worst and with 4 to go I am truly humbled. don't talk so much as squawk now, fatigue has set in. I can still drink smoothies for lunch and puree soup for dinner. DR bumped my script so I can take 10mg every 4 and the instincts kicked in and I said "that's not nece.... You know I've never been to this rodeo before thank you".

  • JohnVon
    JohnVon Member Posts: 25 Member

    Steven I’m so happy to hear you are so close to finishing. I’m right with you. The hardest part is the burn on my neck, chest and face. My doc prescribed 5 mg of Oxy but is reluctant to refill it. I don’t understand his thinking. Im in so much pain


  • MarieO
    MarieO Member Posts: 41 Member

    Steven glad to hear from you. You’re so close. Glad to hear you’re able to still drink the smoothies and soup. A nurse told us today that that last is the worst…but when it gets bad you know you’re almost done. Holding on to that thought.

  • MarieO
    MarieO Member Posts: 41 Member

    Oh John…that definitely looks painful. I think you should be given whatever it takes to ease the pain. Why the hesitation?

  • wbcgaruss
    wbcgaruss Member Posts: 2,465 Member

    Marie this is correct in a sense that the last of radiation is the worst but keep in mind I have read on here many times that after radiation stops you are still cookin so to speak--

    Your skin may feel itchy and dry during your treatment. Some people develop radiation burn after their final session. That's because radiation keeps on working even after you finish your treatment.Oct 29, 2021

    Also not to get anyone upset but to inform you that for a lot of people when the radiation is completed they will continue to feel bad or worse for approximately 2 week till they turn the corner. Below is one persons account of going through radiation treatment from another forum. Link to that whole discussion is at the bottom.

    Take Care God Bless-Russ




    When you finish the course of radiation - yes, the interior and external radiation damage can be a problem (who knows, you might get lucky, don't expect the worst). It's great to no longer have to go to the hospital every day - just be ready for the possibility that you might be debilitated at that point, and be prepared that you might need 2 solid weeks of pretty much bed rest and just ticking away time before you start to heal and feel better.

    For me, it went something like this, over the span of treatment:

    Week 1: First round chemo & 5 rads (felt fine, some nausea from chemo)

    Week 2: (5 rads) minor tinnitus onset from chemo, some vomiting, radiation fine

    Week 3: (5 rads) tinnitus fading, feeling quite good, no issue with rads some reduction in taste

    Week 4: (5 rads, chemo) start to notice mucous problems, no burns yet, more serious nausea and vomiting from chemo

    Week 5: 5 rads) noticeable exterior burns and sore, stretched skin, mucositis more severe, notice rancid taste to everything in mouth - can no longer eat or drink, become PEG reliant

    Week 6: (5 rads) mucositis worsening, always have to carry spit bag, burns need intrasite gel and daily dressing, relying on panadol / neurofin but pain increasing

    Week 7: (5 rads + chemo) mucositis debilitating, need to gag up mucous constantly, accidentally swallowing any precipitates a need to vomit, exterior neck burns are moderate and need dressings and intrasite gel, doctor escalates pain management to endone / morphine

    Week 8: (first-week post-treatment) awful awful suffering, vomiting, spitting up blood, constipation, bloating, night cramps in legs, mucositis severe, pain moderate to severe, wounds still require intrasite and dressing for a few days

    Week 9: (second-week post-treatment): exterior burns healing nicely, no longer require dressings, just moo goo (healing moisturizing cream). Pain lessening, but mucositis still awful, night cramps in legs

    Week 10: (third-week post): exterior burns gone, pain better, mucositis still bad, but feels a little bit better, able to sleep for more than an hour or two at a time thanks to improving mucous, night cramps gone after taking daily vitamin & zinc

    Week 11: (fourth-week post): turned a corner with mucositis, now still have to spit during day and night, but it's a fraction of what it was. Experimenting with foods but can't viably swallow them due to gross mucous - but start tentatively to sip drinks .. still mostly PEG reliant

    Week 12: (fifth post): mucositis backing off more, can now take most nutrition and hydration via the mouth and thinking of getting rid of PEG. Pain is manageable, don't require anything more than panadol. Can't yet eat solid foods, although taste appears to have returned to at least 50% of pre-cancer levels


    So ... that should give a pretty fair idea of how things have been for me .. you might get better (or worse) luck with side effects, but hopefully, it gives a little perspective. Knowing what to expect has been really tough, and it's easy to get into this habit of scouring Doctor Google almost daily. I think in the post-treatment phase the most important thing is to take it easy and not expect too much from yourself. Your body has been subjected to a major attack, give yourself time to rest and heal, and if you need help make sure you ask for it.


    Oh yeah .. and on kids .. no, they have no idea, just "dad's been a little sick"


    https://onlinecommunity.cancercouncil.com.au/t5/Treatments-and-side-effects/Your-experience-with-side-effects-from-head-amp-neck-cancer/td-p/25626/page/2

  • wbcgaruss
    wbcgaruss Member Posts: 2,465 Member

    John your neck looks like it hurts for sure. Take all the pain meds you can get and keep treating the burns with topical treatment such as Aquaphor or whatever your care team is recommending.

    Wishing You the Best

    Take Care God Bless-Russ

  • steven59
    steven59 Member Posts: 102 Member
  • steven59
    steven59 Member Posts: 102 Member
  • steven59
    steven59 Member Posts: 102 Member

    still, i think i'm fortunate that surgery killed the nerves across the front of my neck that i've got a whole 4x4'' section under my chin thats fairly calm.

  • wbcgaruss
    wbcgaruss Member Posts: 2,465 Member

    I must say Steven the pictures don't look pleasant. I know it has to hurt but I am looking forward to the after pictures when you are through this and all healed up and I know you are too. May God strengthen and sustain you through this.

    Wishing You the Best

    Take care, God Bless-Russ


  • MarieO
    MarieO Member Posts: 41 Member

    Yes, doctors have been very up front with us regarding the extra weeks of recovery. But we’re keeping positive in knowing that we don’t have to make the daily 2 hr round trip for treatment. My husband is staying so very positive as I continue to share stories so he won’t be surprised.

    Thanks for posting all the info…much appreciated

  • steven59
    steven59 Member Posts: 102 Member

    I'm grateful for my wife who is working from home and since last week has been doing everything for me since beginning of the week. NWI medicine is impressive in their knowledge and preparation for radiation. The speech therapist weekly meetings impressing upon me how important this stuff really is. I have a compassionate Dr that has offered me every tool in the book to deal with side effects and after 25 imrt/igrt treatments I got my first proton yesterday, woohoo, hoping for a strong finish.

  • steven59
    steven59 Member Posts: 102 Member

    did my 29yt today and can say, so far proton has been much less painful than imrt/igrt. I believe my dr got my treatment right and expect to be ready for spring. Jonvon, I was prescribed 1 or 2 tablets every 4 hours as needed for pain. I had told the nurse I was already taking 1 every 3 hours and making the count right overnight. I asked to bump my script to 2 every 6 hours so I could take up to 8 tablets a day. I get the feel proton is about 50% less damaging than imrt even if their success levels are nearly identical.

  • wbcgaruss
    wbcgaruss Member Posts: 2,465 Member

    Congrats to you Steven for being almost done. And congrats to you for staying on top of controlling your pain on a schedule. You will soon be able to taper off and phase out pain meds.

    Take care, God Bless-Russ